GT: Raptors @ Nets - Jan 27, 7:30PM

[therealbig3]

And, the terrible defensive lapse he had down the stretch getting caught in the pick on the break resulting in an easy basket straight down the middle.

Whoa, this I definitely disagree with. That was clearly not his fault at all, Pierce ran into him. Pierce also immediately acknowledged that it was his mistake, so I don't see how D-Will is to blame on that particular play.

I blame D-Will for 2 things: that horrible, horrible TO at the end, but also his general lack of aggression in the 2nd half. He had a great 1st half, and then for some reason abandoned everything that was working for him and decided to just be a passive bystander in the 2nd half. The game probably doesn't need to be decided by a mental breakdown if he had played the 2nd half like he played the 1st.

[De8]

if lowry didnt hit that half court buzzer beater...

[SpeedyG]

And, the terrible defensive lapse he had down the stretch getting caught in the pick on the break resulting in an easy basket straight down the middle.

Whoa, this I definitely disagree with. That was clearly not his fault at all, Pierce ran into him. Pierce also immediately acknowledged that it was his mistake, so I don't see how D-Will is to blame on that particular play.

I blame D-Will for 2 things: that horrible, horrible TO at the end, but also his general lack of aggression in the 2nd half. He had a great 1st half, and then for some reason abandoned everything that was working for him and decided to just be a passive bystander in the 2nd half. The game probably doesn't need to be decided by a mental breakdown if he had played the 2nd half like he played the 1st.

Unfortunately, this has become a staple of D-will's game as a Net

[aj11]

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[Keith Van Horn]

Kyle Lowry ladies and Gentlemen. The East's best PG.

Great game.

The best PG in the East... And he's not even an All Star? I guess that's Lowry ladies and gentlemen!


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[720]

Kyle Lowry ladies and Gentlemen. The East's best PG.

Great game.

The best PG in the East... And he's not even an All Star? I guess that's Lowry ladies and gentlemen!


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Yeah, 16/4/4 J.Johnson is a much better player and deserves it over Lowry.

[Paradise]

Kyle Lowry ladies and Gentlemen. The East's best PG.

Great game.

The best PG in the East... And he's not even an All Star? I guess that's Lowry ladies and gentlemen!


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Yeah, 16/4/4 J.Johnson is a much better player and deserves it over Lowry.

Alot of Nets fans agree JJ shouldn't have made the All-Star team for his mini massive scoring run but at the end of the day, Raps fans came into our thread trolling about Lowry and at the end of the day, he's not an all-star and he's not even guaranteed to be a Raptor past February.

[Matty]

On behalf of the Raptor fans that were banned, including me, I apologize for what appeared to be trolling, that was not my intention. It was in the spirit of healthy trash talking, but after 3 days of contemplation, I can fully understand the reason I was banned . WIll not happen again.

[enetric]

I am not going to scroll through this thread to see all the trash talking I am sure it was absurd. But...to the Lowry point? Regardless of any Raps fans that may have annoyed you on our board...I have to say it.

HE GOT SCREWED not making the all star team!

Sorry guys. Joe Johnson? Derozan??? And yes all this Lance Stephenson yak. Lowry was by far the most deserving EC player to be left off the AS team in my opinion. He is the reason that team is having the year it is.

[enetric]

Like VC said...its just one loss. And I said on this board in November when so many were crying to talk to me in January. But the same issues I had with Dwill in the playoffs last year I have now. I so desperately want to believe in this guy. I like the man. But the player leaves me scratching my head on a regular basis. A shame Brook got hurt. That caps the upside of this season. But realize most of this comeback run has been done without either. So all it takes is for Dwill to get his head out of his butt and show what he is made of and this team should be a second round playoff team even without Lopez. Time to stop complaining about the supporting cast or the coach. 10-1 without the stars? Anyone who still doesnt see the problem is deluding themselves.

Just to keep it 100 here, Nets are 10-2 in January, Deron played in 7 of those games going 6-1.

You know what I am going to say to that right? So what. DO you feel he was the MAN in those 6 wins? The go to superstar we pay him to be? Or was his vet minimum Shaun Livingston's back up putting a good stretch here and there as he nursed his lady parts back to premium health?

Like I said...I watch him in an interview and I think...I really like this guy. I see stretches and I think...wow...there it is. Then I see the awful D, the constant injuries, the bad shot selection and the inconsistency and i find myself so frustrated with him.

End of last season it drove me nuts to see a few people blindly defend him acting like it was coaching, and role players that cost us the Bulls series. I just have nothing left for him now. Nothing about him says stand out superstar. We win by ensemble and we lose on nights where we cant get the legs to play D. We dont have that "guy" who puts us on his back or leads others to dig deep. We thought that was him...and sadly...it isnt. I would LOVE to see him find his mojo again but for now....when I watch I dont see him as the star player of this team. I just see another guy.

[enetric]

And, the terrible defensive lapse he had down the stretch getting caught in the pick on the break resulting in an easy basket straight down the middle.

Whoa, this I definitely disagree with. That was clearly not his fault at all, Pierce ran into him. Pierce also immediately acknowledged that it was his mistake, so I don't see how D-Will is to blame on that particular play.

I blame D-Will for 2 things: that horrible, horrible TO at the end, but also his general lack of aggression in the 2nd half. He had a great 1st half, and then for some reason abandoned everything that was working for him and decided to just be a passive bystander in the 2nd half. The game probably doesn't need to be decided by a mental breakdown if he had played the 2nd half like he played the 1st.

There were TWO terrible TO's and yes I expected to hear about the "my bad" from PP on not calling out the screen but honestly? I think that was one of those disbelief's of how can you not even check behind you on a play like that? I will give you the gratuitous "my bad" so you dont feel like a complete idiot on that play. PP was guarding his man. What could he have done? Push him out of the way?

[enetric]

And, the terrible defensive lapse he had down the stretch getting caught in the pick on the break resulting in an easy basket straight down the middle.

Whoa, this I definitely disagree with. That was clearly not his fault at all, Pierce ran into him. Pierce also immediately acknowledged that it was his mistake, so I don't see how D-Will is to blame on that particular play.

I blame D-Will for 2 things: that horrible, horrible TO at the end, but also his general lack of aggression in the 2nd half. He had a great 1st half, and then for some reason abandoned everything that was working for him and decided to just be a passive bystander in the 2nd half. The game probably doesn't need to be decided by a mental breakdown if he had played the 2nd half like he played the 1st.

Unfortunately, this has become a staple of D-will's game as a Net

Bingo

[therealbig3]

And, the terrible defensive lapse he had down the stretch getting caught in the pick on the break resulting in an easy basket straight down the middle.

Whoa, this I definitely disagree with. That was clearly not his fault at all, Pierce ran into him. Pierce also immediately acknowledged that it was his mistake, so I don't see how D-Will is to blame on that particular play.

I blame D-Will for 2 things: that horrible, horrible TO at the end, but also his general lack of aggression in the 2nd half. He had a great 1st half, and then for some reason abandoned everything that was working for him and decided to just be a passive bystander in the 2nd half. The game probably doesn't need to be decided by a mental breakdown if he had played the 2nd half like he played the 1st.

There were TWO terrible TO's and yes I expected to hear about the "my bad" from PP on not calling out the screen but honestly? I think that was one of those disbelief's of how can you not even check behind you on a play like that? I will give you the gratuitous "my bad" so you dont feel like a complete idiot on that play. PP was guarding his man. What could he have done? Push him out of the way?

But D-Will wasn't screened by a Raptor on that play...he was screened by his own teammate Pierce. Pierce literally ran into him and thus took both of them out of the play.

Anyway, I agree with you regarding Deron overall, and as you know, I've been one of his biggest supporters. I WANT to see him do well. But he's just so passive and inconsistent. I see how Livingston played against Indiana, with that kind of aggression, and I'm just shocked that Deron won't do the same thing. He has 10x the offensive talent of Livingston. But he's so content being "one of the guys" even though we're paying him to be "THE guy".

[SpeedyG]

I mentioned this even last year and the year before that. Obviously, we watched Deron Williams before he was a Net, and perhaps injury different systems/coaching has made a difference...but nothing gets you to know a player than watching him day in and day out.

And I had this inkling before, but it is even more stronger now.

Deron Williams CANNOT touch Jason Kidd's jock strap.

Talent wise? Yes, he's got it.

But instinct? Leadership? Intangibles?

Kidd has him beat by MILES.

Kidd, we all knew should never be a #1 scorer on any championship caliber team. We all knew he should never be the #1 rebounder on a caliber team. But dammit if he didn't have the knack for making any kind of play, be it a timely pass, a clutch score, or getting a stop just when we need it.

Kidd controlled the game like only a few player could. Even fewer when you factor in that most of those players who had that ability also had the ability to be dominant scorers.

Deron SHOULD be our best player. He SHOULD be the best PG in the game most nights.

We're lucky if he's the 3rd best PGs most nights nowadays.

Much of our team's success and hopes are pinned on Deron and Lopez. They are who this team is built around. Brook's injuries will likely limit what was already a limited athleticism on his part. And Deron...well, he looks like the 30+ year old Kidd that the Mavericks got.

Unless these two guys can somehow bounce back, it's time to start looking at whoever will be our true franchise player.

[enetric]

Trb3....

Any chance you can get the clip of that play? Its not how I remember it. If I am wrong then its my bad. But I recall it as PP sticking with his man and all 3 collided. DWILL effectively backed right in without checking the lane when he still had space between him and his man.

[Prokorov]

Anyway, I agree with you regarding Deron overall, and as you know, I've been one of his biggest supporters. I WANT to see him do well. But he's just so passive and inconsistent. I see how Livingston played against Indiana, with that kind of aggression, and I'm just shocked that Deron won't do the same thing. He has 10x the offensive talent of Livingston. But he's so content being "one of the guys" even though we're paying him to be "THE guy".

yea... and it's like i keep setting the bar lower, and yet he still fails to reach it. it went from:

Be a star who leads and carries this team

to:

Be a top offensive player in the league

to:

At least be able to take advantage of the feltons, cj watsons, and derrick fishers of the world

to:

Beng kinda healthy and have a positive effect with the 2nd unit

to:

dont absolutely kill us on both ends every night

[therealbig3]

Trb3....

Any chance you can get the clip of that play? Its not how I remember it. If I am wrong then its my bad. But I recall it as PP sticking with his man and all 3 collided. DWILL effectively backed right in without checking the lane when he still had space between him and his man.

Hey sorry it took me a while to respond...no I haven't been able to find a clip of that play, sorry.

Also, the reason I'm not killing him for the first bad TO is because he immediately made up for it and got us the ball back by drawing the charge. So no harm done. It was the second TO that really killed us.

[Prokorov]

this loss STILL pisses me off.