Knicks are "hoping against hope" to pull off trade for Rondo

BadNewsBarnes · Post #101 » by **BadNewsBarnes** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:05 pm

Has anyone thought of the answer to the question "Do you want Rondo on the foul line with the game on the line?" while asking what we are giving up in a trade? Is everyone on this thread serious about this?

bleedblue3303 · Post #102 » by **bleedblue3303** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:07 pm

If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.

Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

BleedGreen1989 · Post #103 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:08 pm

Why does TJ seem to be a deal breaker for everybody? Is his ceiling really that high?

I admitt I haven't watched him play more than a couple games but it sounds as if people expect some all-star games in his future, no?

Serious question. Not trying to troll.

colincb · Post #104 » by **colincb** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:15 pm

There's no trade that the NYK can offer (without Melo) that would be accepted by BOS. I know Knick fans are diehards, but your team has been betrayed by management incompetence that is unrivaled since Ted Stepien ran the Cavs into the ground in the early 80s (which led the NBA to prohibit teams from trading 1st rounders away in consecutive years).

spikeslovechild · Post #105 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:22 pm

I'd rather trade for Lowry or Nelson. We don't have the kind of depth necessary to pull of this kind of deal and I'm not convinced Rondo is the perfect fit next to Melo anyways.

Jay10 · Post #106 » by **Jay10** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:23 pm

MKCATL wrote:If we move THJr it better be out west cause the last thing I want is this guy to haunt us for the next 10 years.

it has been reported that dolan loves THJ, so he'll probably be around for a while.

Post #107 » by **GONYK** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:23 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.

Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

Rondo with no knees is better than having Jennings and Smith on your team

ibraheim718 · Post #108 » by **ibraheim718** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:25 pm

I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

Jay10 · Post #109 » by **Jay10** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:26 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:Why does TJ seem to be a deal breaker for everybody? Is his ceiling really that high?

I admitt I haven't watched him play more than a couple games but it sounds as if people expect some all-star games in his future, no?

Serious question. Not trying to troll.

when he's on the bench the players on the court look as if they're running in quicksand, and the moment he enters the game the pace of the game speeds up.

spikeslovechild · Post #110 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:27 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.

Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

Jennings is a terrible offensive player. I'd rather roll with Felton to be honest then bring in someone like Jennings whose going to Jack up 15-20 shots a night and maybe make 6 of them.

Post #111 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:27 pm

Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

Post #112 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:28 pm

Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

Fit with whom? Melo? The majority of these other guys wont be here.

Post #113 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:32 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

Fit with whom? Melo? The majority of these other guys wont be here.

agreed, THjr is the only guy I hope we can keep but everyone else should be expendable to get Rondo here

ibraheim718 · Post #114 » by **ibraheim718** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:32 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

He's also a notorious A-Hole who isn't afraid to speak his mind and doesn't necessarily hold back or is subtle... he's also a guy who eats the shot clock up which is exactly what Melo does.

Compare his personality with Billups who was the perfect complement to Melo. Chauncey knew how to massage Melo's ego.. Chauncey is a politician whereas Rondo is a Dictator. Ray Allen was a passive 2 guard who never really butted heads with anyone... Garnett was a soldier and a master motivator and Pierce was a guy who could morph into any role if that's what the team needed. Nobody on those successful Celtic teams had personalities like Melo and Smith.

ibraheim718 · Post #115 » by **ibraheim718** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:34 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

Fit with whom? Melo? The majority of these other guys wont be here.

Both them guys swallow the shot clock whole on their own dribbling the ball.. and Melo's been exposed to having rabbit ears. I'm not quite sold that he's got thick enough skin to let Rondo chew him out if he's not doing what he's supposed to be doing.

spikeslovechild · Post #116 » by **spikeslovechild** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:35 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

I don't really have a problem with the deal if he was a FA but I don't see the reason to overpay for a guy whose not the best fit. I want the ball in Melo hands not Rondos. My main concern is that bringing in Rondo turns into a repeat of the Lin situation where unhappy Melo is forced into a spot up shooter because Rondo is incapable of playing off the ball (he has no jump shot).

Post #117 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:35 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

Fit with whom? Melo? The majority of these other guys wont be here.

agreed, THjr is the only guy I hope we can keep but everyone else should be expendable to get Rondo here

I wouldnt hold a deal off for him either, you can find shooters anywhere.

But I'd certainly like to keep him

Post #118 » by **mpharris36** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:38 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

I don't really have a problem with the deal if he was a FA but I don't see the reason to overpay for a guy whose not the best fit. I want the ball in Melo hands not Rondos. My main concern is that bringing in Rondo turns into a repeat of the Lin situation where unhappy Melo is forced into a spot up shooter because Rondo is incapable of playing off the ball (he has no jump shot).

stop it Lin does not have the same respect rondo does nor should he.

Lin is also a scoring guard while Rondo is a true distributor.

We could easily run P&R with Rondo and Melo to finish games. I want the ball in Melo's hands to. Rondo gets people the ball. THat is what he does.

ibraheim718 · Post #119 » by **ibraheim718** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:38 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

I don't really have a problem with the deal if he was a FA but I don't see the reason to overpay for a guy whose not the best fit. I want the ball in Melo hands not Rondos. My main concern is that bringing in Rondo turns into a repeat of the Lin situation where unhappy Melo is forced into a spot up shooter because Rondo is incapable of playing off the ball (he has no jump shot).

I don't like the fit either but to each his own.. no biggie.

Post #120 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:38 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Abe_505 wrote:I don't have any concerns about the knees, my concerns are on the floor fit and personality fit.

he is someone that plays both ways. he is someone that melo will respect in terms of setting up the offense (less isolation).

he is also someone that plays big in big games.

he is the type of two way player that plays the game the right way. he gets people where they need to be and will let melo be melo.

I don't really have a problem with the deal if he was a FA but I don't see the reason to overpay for a guy whose not the best fit. I want the ball in Melo hands not Rondos. My main concern is that bringing in Rondo turns into a repeat of the Lin situation where unhappy Melo is forced into a spot up shooter because Rondo is incapable of playing off the ball (he has no jump shot).

The difference is melo would endorse Rondo and allegedly already has.

Imo melo knows he'll need help...Rondo's job is to get the supporting cast up to par, whomever they may be.

Rondo wont be here to get Melo his shot, but we do know melo is lethal in a catch and shoot, which should be by the truckload with rondo's penetration.