Knicks are "hoping against hope" to pull off trade for Rondo

[mpharris36]

Fit with whom? Melo? The majority of these other guys wont be here.

agreed, THjr is the only guy I hope we can keep but everyone else should be expendable to get Rondo here

I wouldnt hold a deal off for him either, you can find shooters anywhere.

But I'd certainly like to keep him

also agreed..however if you told me a deal would be centered around either keeping hardaway or chandler i am trading chandler.

Trade chandler for to a 3rd team like OKC or Phoenix and get back young pieces. Add Shumpert and Amare and take back Green and or there other bad contracts.

All im saying if THjr has to be in the deal then that wouldn't stop me but that is a last resort....everyone but Melo and THjr and that is a good move for the knicks.

[Thugger HBC]

Just to change gears a notch, if Rondo wont be the best fit...who would be?

I actually am of belief Rondo would be the perfect fit, as he's capable of making average look better, and if melo signs his max...we'll have quite a few average dudes around him.

[bleedblue3303]

If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.


Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

Jennings is a terrible offensive player. I'd rather roll with Felton to be honest then bring in someone like Jennings whose going to Jack up 15-20 shots a night and maybe make 6 of them.

I don't think Jennings puts up as many shots with a guy like Melo on the team. He would have to know his place. Against the nets he had 26 points 9 rebounds and 10 assists. Tell me when Felton could ever put up those kind of stats. he is averaging this year 17 points and 8 assists. I think on our team he could lower point total and raise assist total.

He is also 7 million a year opposed to Rondo who will get 20 mill.

[Thugger HBC]

If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.


Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

Jennings is a terrible offensive player. I'd rather roll with Felton to be honest then bring in someone like Jennings whose going to Jack up 15-20 shots a night and maybe make 6 of them.

I don't think Jennings puts up as many shots with a guy like Melo on the team. He would have to know his place. Against the nets he had 26 points 9 rebounds and 10 assists. Tell me when Felton could ever put up those kind of stats. he is averaging this year 17 points and 8 assists. I think on our team he could lower point total and raise assist total.

He is also 7 million a year opposed to Rondo who will get 20 mill.

Rondo is not gonna get a 20 mil deal...come on now.

[K_ick_God]

I wouldn't give up Tim in a Rondo deal but I could live with it if it happened. Don't think Rondo and Melo is nearly enough though, need a third big time player.

Well you would still have cap room in 2015 for that third piece. Plus you hang on to Tyler and hope he becomes a 15/9 type big. If he can do that and you sign a third guy, then that might be enough.

[NyAvenger]

Rondo and Melo would be perfect together, really can't see how not. Melo has even endorsed him. Also looking at 2015 there isn't anyone that's better than Rondo. Aldridge is arguable but I truly doubt he leaves and I think Rondo is the better fit anyways.

[NyAvenger]

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[god shammgod]

i doubt we save cap room for 2015 if we trade for rondo. the advantages of trading for rondo now are that

a. you start a year early.
b. you can trade pieces you have for longer salaries instead of needing them to walk to free up room. you can begin to build a team around them right away. for example, you move chandler in another deal. use the mle. etc.

[bleedblue3303]

Jennings is a terrible offensive player. I'd rather roll with Felton to be honest then bring in someone like Jennings whose going to Jack up 15-20 shots a night and maybe make 6 of them.

I don't think Jennings puts up as many shots with a guy like Melo on the team. He would have to know his place. Against the nets he had 26 points 9 rebounds and 10 assists. Tell me when Felton could ever put up those kind of stats. he is averaging this year 17 points and 8 assists. I think on our team he could lower point total and raise assist total.

He is also 7 million a year opposed to Rondo who will get 20 mill.

Rondo is not gonna get a 20 mil deal...come on now.

so what do you think he will get? I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. But last i checked he is one of the elite pgs in the league.

[spikeslovechild]

If we don't need an all world Point Guard and we just need someone who is lightening quick who can distribute the ball aren't we better suited to get someone like Jennings who can be had from Detroit and only makes 7 million per years as opposed to Rondo who will command a max deal. I would even try get Josh Smith as well. I'd roll with that team we would be beastly offensively

Chandler
Smith
Melo
Whichever SG we could keep. Iman or THJ
Jennings.


Not sure we would stop anyone defensive but good luck keeping up with this team offensively.

Jennings is a terrible offensive player. I'd rather roll with Felton to be honest then bring in someone like Jennings whose going to Jack up 15-20 shots a night and maybe make 6 of them.

I don't think Jennings puts up as many shots with a guy like Melo on the team. He would have to know his place. Against the nets he had 26 points 9 rebounds and 10 assists. Tell me when Felton could ever put up those kind of stats. he is averaging this year 17 points and 8 assists. I think on our team he could lower point total and raise assist total.

He is also 7 million a year opposed to Rondo who will get 20 mill.

According to Jennings he's already had the reins pulled in on him. This is selective Jennings. Oh, and the problem isn't really the amount of shots - it's the fact he can't hit them. Something btw his own coach has alluded to.

As far as Felton goes as bad as he's played he's still making over 20% more of his shots then Jennings and Jennings is turning over the ball way too much. Also have you watched the Pistons on offense? Jennings clearly has no idea how to run a offense.

[Thugger HBC]

I don't think Jennings puts up as many shots with a guy like Melo on the team. He would have to know his place. Against the nets he had 26 points 9 rebounds and 10 assists. Tell me when Felton could ever put up those kind of stats. he is averaging this year 17 points and 8 assists. I think on our team he could lower point total and raise assist total.

He is also 7 million a year opposed to Rondo who will get 20 mill.

Rondo is not gonna get a 20 mil deal...come on now.

so what do you think he will get? I could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. But last i checked he is one of the elite pgs in the league.

he isnt gonna command a 7 mil raise though.

Chris Paul makes 20 because not only is he the best at his position he's also a two way player who can shoot from pretty much anywhere on the floor, and can score with anyone in the league if he had to....similar to why Deron Williams got his money as well although he isnt as good of a defender.

Rondo is not that guy.

[god shammgod]

if the knicks want him to force his way here they might have to agree to overpay him though.

[spikeslovechild]

if the knicks want him to force his way here they might have to agree to overpay him though.

Rondo can't really force anything at this point. He has two years still left on his deal. If we want to make a deal this year we are likely going to have to overpay.

I don't know Ainge strategy but if I'm him I wait and see what my team looks like next year and try to move Green, Bass, and Wallace (maybe include some future picks to make it happen) contracts to make a run at a top flight FA. They already have a ton of picks.


2014 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn*, Philadelphia**
2nd round: None
* Atlanta has right to swap with Brooklyn; will convey worse pick to Boston
** Philadelphia's pick is lottery protected

2015 Draft
1st round: Boston, Clippers, Philadelphia*
2nd round: Boston, Philadelphia**, Sacramento***
* Philadelphia's pick is lottery protected
** Philadelphia conveys if in lottery in 2014 and 2015
*** Only conveyed if between picks 56-60

2016 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn
2nd round: Miami, Philadelphia*
* Philadelphia conveys if in lottery in 2014 and 2015

2017 Draft
1st round: Boston*
2nd round: Boston**, Sacramento***
* Boston has option to swap with Brooklyn
** If Boston swaps with Brooklyn, it loses pick if between 46-60
*** Only conveyed if between picks 56-60

2018 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn
2nd round: Boston

[Context]

I wonder what Rondos market is today....

[Jay10]

I wonder what Rondos market is today....

the knicks are probably the only team in the league that actually need him.

[NYK 455]

Utterly pointless trade. Rondo doesn't take this team anywhere except maybe the 7th or 8th seed, and taking back longer contracts? Yuck.

[god shammgod]

if the knicks want him to force his way here they might have to agree to overpay him though.

Rondo can't really force anything at this point. He has two years still left on his deal. If we want to make a deal this year we are likely going to have to overpay.

I don't know Ainge strategy but if I'm him I wait and see what my team looks like next year and try to move Green, Bass, and Wallace (maybe include some future picks to make it happen) contracts to make a run at a top flight FA. They already have a ton of picks.


2014 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn*, Philadelphia**
2nd round: None
* Atlanta has right to swap with Brooklyn; will convey worse pick to Boston
** Philadelphia's pick is lottery protected

2015 Draft
1st round: Boston, Clippers, Philadelphia*
2nd round: Boston, Philadelphia**, Sacramento***
* Philadelphia's pick is lottery protected
** Philadelphia conveys if in lottery in 2014 and 2015
*** Only conveyed if between picks 56-60

2016 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn
2nd round: Miami, Philadelphia*
* Philadelphia conveys if in lottery in 2014 and 2015

2017 Draft
1st round: Boston*
2nd round: Boston**, Sacramento***
* Boston has option to swap with Brooklyn
** If Boston swaps with Brooklyn, it loses pick if between 46-60
*** Only conveyed if between picks 56-60

2018 Draft
1st round: Boston, Brooklyn
2nd round: Boston

i don't think anything is gonna happen now. quite possibly not ever. but if over the summer they talk to him and he tells them he's coming here they'll probably want to work out a deal before next year's deadline. i don't know if he'll do that. he might though if we agree to give him the max. not that he deserves it.

[Thugger HBC]

I wonder what Rondos market is today....

Kinda small imo, as pretty much every team in the league has a starter quality point guard or someone else that handles that duty.

I was of belief earlier in the year the pacers could have flipped Grangers expiring contract with a draft pick for Rondo, and he's definitely an upgrade over George Hill.

Outside of that i'd say probably just us.

[Context]

I wonder what Rondos market is today....

Kinda small imo, as pretty much every team in the league has a starter quality point guard or someone else that handles that duty.

I was of belief earlier in the year the pacers could have flipped Grangers expiring contract with a draft pick for Rondo, and he's definitely an upgrade over George Hill.

Outside of that i'd say probably just us.

Game two vs Miami on the road 2012 ECF:

44 pts 8rbs, 10asst, 3stls, shot 66% 16/24 and 10 of 12 from the free throw line.... No player in NBA history put that line up...
Muchless a point guard...

I'm sure there's a couple other teams who would consider Rondo a major upgrade....

[johnnywishbone]

Stat and JR + 2018 1st for Rondo, Jeff Green and Crash.

Perfect guard to play with Melo.