Kings @ Celtics 2/7

[SacKingZZZ]

ITs efficiency has not resembled what it was earlier in the season for awhile now.. At first the fact Cuz was out made some sense, but he is consistently missing shots he made earlier in the season. Was he hot when his efficiency was gangbusters earlier?

I think we've seen the deal. When IT is that 3rd option that can slide into getting 1st option shot attempts because teams are focusing on Cousins first, and Gay second, he can make teams pay for it. He is not the "man" for a team. He is not a great pick and roll PG (although not that bad) playing with not so great pick and roll bigs. So, if he's going to rack up assists he'll have to handle the ball a lot. That makes him extremely one dimensional and in turn teams can make him work himself into exhaustion as a result. He has to work that much harder to get his own shots and/or create shots for others because a lot his creating shots for others relies on him first creating an opportunity for himself. There is a reason this team is much more dangerous with Cousins and Gay as the focal point. That said, when they've been out there together IT has looked like a perfect sidekick for both of them. I think because of that the Kings need to look at keeping him long term.

[Wolfay]

This game just shows how much of an impact Rudy has. No Rudy and we're likely to lose. Other than that...

Am I the only one who thinks that Cousins had a pedestrian game last night, despite his stats? Putting the stats into context, and you'll see that essentially all Cousins did was cancel out Sullinger. He's better than Sully, but he in no way played like that. You're not going to win very many games win your best player has a neutral impact on the game. All it does is put pressure on the rest of the team to outplay the opposition, and I think that's a little too much to ask from the talent level of the guys outside of our big three.

[SacKingZZZ]

Landry was a joke of a signing in the first place. It's almost like they signed him just to spend the $$$. Gonna be the worst FA for us since mikki moore

fully agree, and the majority of fans knew this before he officially signed

im not one of them.

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I like Carl as a player and as a person. Seems like a great teammate. The signing still doesn't make a ton of sense unless they restructure the frontcourt and add in some defense. The strain isn't as bad because they moved some other frontcourt players in the Gay trade. Sucky thing is the two bigs they did move would have been much better for this team moving forward, and now in the right situation they are helping a team into the playoffs, like role players in the right situation will.

Carl is no different than someone like Chuck Hayes except maybe even more so, put him in the wrong situation and he'll look bad, put him in the right one and he'll add 3-5 wins easy for a team. This team is still over flooded with offensively minded players. Thornton, before going down, was transitioning quite well into that aggressive defensive role player the Kings need at SG. At least as much as you can expect if not more. I don't think you can ask Landry to transition his game from being a scorer. Either find him shots, or move him. I suggest finding him shots and moving some other pieces makes more sense.

[Kings2013]

Not only does the team have offensive players but pfs.. JT, Acy and Dwill.. Gray can even play spot minutes behind Cuz.

[City of Trees]

Not only does the team have offensive players but pfs.. JT, Acy and Dwill.. Gray can even play spot minutes behind Cuz.

out of all those guys you named only JT was on the roster when Landry was signed.

[blind prophet]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

[City of Trees]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

[blind prophet]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

I'm assuming he was brought in to play with GV, and they did not expect IT to be as good as he has been, that Ppat and Carl would be decent side options to Cuz, or carry the bench workload. Now we are handcuffed. I hope he can make something happen before the start of next season, but now it is looking bad.

[City of Trees]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

I'm assuming he was brought in to play with GV, and they did not expect IT to be as good as he has been, that Ppat and Carl would be decent side options to Cuz, or carry the bench workload. Now we are handcuffed. I hope he can make something happen before the start of next season, but now it is looking bad.

you are analyzing a very small sample size here- 11 games. We are to expect Landry (who missed training camp, preseason, and first two or so months of the regular season) to return mid season and immediately produce? No time to get back in game shape? No time for the team to adjust to his skill set? (since he is very different from the current PF's we have). 11 games is what we alloted Landry? Oh wait, of those 11 games he only logged more than 13 min in three games. Three! Malone has clearly chosen to slowly implement Landry into his rotation. Prior to these 11 games the last game he played was with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson! On the Kings roster, this Kings bench, Curry n Thompson are not walking through that door.

The point to my post and argument is there is an adjustment period here. If you were to spot Landry the preseason games that he would have played that would register his current season at around 7 (ish) games played! At 13 mpg.

Can we really call the signing a bust so soon? Lets not forget the lineup he is forced to play with completely Sucks! Jimmer at point, a struggling rookie at SG, Outlaw/ Williams, and Gray. .... he's probably like "really"?

[City of Trees]

I suggest finding him shots and moving some other pieces makes more sense.

I agree. I think this was the logic with signing Landry.

[peachbucket]

Im a big DMC supporter but I have to question how Cuz let a fatter, slower, shorter Sullinger put up those numbers. Where is the pride?

After the game I think Cuz said his mind was not fully on the game but getting snubbed from the all star team, I hope that is it.

Despite Sully being fatter, slower, and shorter than DMC, he is also a hell of a lot smarter.

What a bs excuse that is…I guess his mind not being fully on the game only effected him on the defensive end…lol

[Big_Cat]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

Lol, have you seen Thompson's contract? Have you seen his production? He's not going anywhere unless we sweeten the deal to the point where its a horrible deal for us.


This is exactly why our only option at improving the team is essentially the draft. No one wants to come to Sacramento, and in order to get mediocre players to come here we have to massively overpay in which they always end up being terrible contracts (Jason Thompson, Mikki Moore, Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Beno Udrih, Carl Landry, Chuck Hayes, etc., etc.)

The smartest thing we could do is simply not sign anyone beyond a 1 year deal until we are a 6th-8th seed. Only then should we look to add final touches via free agency.

[SacKingZZZ]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

I'm assuming he was brought in to play with GV, and they did not expect IT to be as good as he has been, that Ppat and Carl would be decent side options to Cuz, or carry the bench workload. Now we are handcuffed. I hope he can make something happen before the start of next season, but now it is looking bad.

Carl? Why? Carl isn't going to do much for you out of the pick and roll and GV is a through and through pick and roll PG. Carl is an iso guy, and has never been anything other than that. You give him the ball in the side post and clear out. He's a little one dimensional in that way, but it's a dimension that as proven with GS last year can be extremely important if needed on your team.

I think Landry is Malones/Viveks guy. PDA was in Denver last year.

[SacKingZZZ]

Im a big DMC supporter but I have to question how Cuz let a fatter, slower, shorter Sullinger put up those numbers. Where is the pride?

After the game I think Cuz said his mind was not fully on the game but getting snubbed from the all star team, I hope that is it.

Despite Sully being fatter, slower, and shorter than DMC, he is also a hell of a lot smarter.

What a bs excuse that is…I guess his mind not being fully on the game only effected him on the defensive end…lol

Lets not act like he was wiping the floor with the team. Sullenger only came on in the fourth, when the whole Kings team started to fade. Other than that for an off night, putting up equal numbers with ease to a guy having a career night ain't so bad. Aaah, so nice to have a real star player! Been a looooong time in Kings land.

[SacKingZZZ]

The Carl Landry signing was terrible, absolute trash.

everyone is entitled to their owm opinion. I just think this conclusion is a bit premature. Maybe a waste up to this point, id agree with that, however the future can bring a lot of change. Especially if PDA has no intentions of keeping JT. Remember, Landry is his guy, that goes on PDA's resume. JT on the otherhand is not his guy which tells me the FO will have a larger motive to make landry work over JT

Lol, have you seen Thompson's contract? Have you seen his production? He's not going anywhere unless we sweeten the deal to the point where its a horrible deal for us.


This is exactly why our only option at improving the team is essentially the draft. No one wants to come to Sacramento, and in order to get mediocre players to come here we have to massively overpay in which they always end up being terrible contracts (Jason Thompson, Mikki Moore, Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Beno Udrih, Carl Landry, Chuck Hayes, etc., etc.)

The smartest thing we could do is simply not sign anyone beyond a 1 year deal until we are a 6th-8th seed. Only then should we look to add final touches via free agency.

True about Thompson. Research his numbers. Then research numbers on this dude named Kenny Thomas. You might notice some major similarities.



Jason Thompson was a mistake re-signing, doesn't mean he's useless, at least not to the right team. That was Petrie once again, unwilling to let go of an asset that played hard, was a good teammate, and one they invested too much time in. Sometimes you just have to let go of those types when you don't absolutely need them. If you don't, you get to where they are now, out of space to do anything in the interim. You better believe if the Kings can't find good uses for JT or Landry that 12 million plus in two years is going to hurt. If they keep Gay and IT, that along with Cousins' deal might leave them with very little room in a year where they could have had space enough to add a max money player.