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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1181 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 8:39 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Don't underestimate Barnes. He has a no step vert of 38 inches and never displays his athleticism because he's a straight line player. In this sort of scenario he's easily the most athletic guy on the court.


McLemore smokes him for starters. Everyone else probably does too. Barnes is probably the least athletic member of the field. He's clumsy and looks like he moves in slow motion. Barnes is strong and can get up off of two feet but I don't see what he's got on anyone else aside from height and strength.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1182 » by DCZards » Fri Feb 7, 2014 9:03 pm

I disagree with Dark Faze when he says Barnes is the most athletic guy among this year's dunk contestants, but I do believe it's a mistake to underestimate or discount Barnes' athleticism. I think he's going to surprise some people in that regard.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1183 » by fishercob » Fri Feb 7, 2014 9:37 pm

AFM wrote:
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AFM wrote:I wonder if Wall will do that infamous dunk from last summer when he shut the building down.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGzC8w-48bw[/youtube]



Well that would be something seeing as there will be seats where that wall was.

Haha that's true Mr. Cob! Maybe he could bounce it off your big dumb face!


If my seats end up behind the basket and he has really good aim, he may just do that.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1184 » by pancakes3 » Fri Feb 7, 2014 10:18 pm

Gerald Green may be quietly one of the most gifted dunkers in NBA history. It's just a shame that he doesn't play basketball well enough. I've never seen anyone get their head at rim-level as consistently as him. The cupcake dunk? Ridiculous. The in-game windmill alleyoop from 2 seasons ago? Literally skywalking.

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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1185 » by hands11 » Sat Feb 8, 2014 9:55 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html

Wall is progressing nicely.

Seems to also have saved his body nicely. I expect his FTr to start going up as they get closer to the playoffs.

49 games played is tied with last year. I think he is pacing himself.

3 ball is up nicely as are his attempts from 1 to 3.5

I expect Wall to start ramping it up coming out of the AS break. Hope he has a good showing out there. Spending some time with the best players in the league should be good for his mind. Hopefully it help Beal as well. He needs to pick some brains while he is out there.

This can still be a top back court for a long time. The key is getting another top league player to join them.

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Questions is, what to do until then.
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Post#1186 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 9, 2014 3:36 am

hands11 wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

Well is progressing nicely.

Seems to also have saved his body nicely. I expect his FTr to start going up as they get closer to the playoffs.

49 games played is tied with last year. I think he is pacing himself.

3 ball is up nicely as are his attempts from 1 to 3.5

Steady as she goes.

I'd say just a little better than that. His 2pt% is slightly down (too many long 2s!), but his efg% and ts% are unchanged. He's turning it over a little less and stealing it more, however -- and, with his improved 3pt. shooting, these are the areas where I think we were all most concerned.

People here tend to overestimate him among his peers, I believe, but I think anyone would put him among the top 10 PGs in the league at this point, and he's earned it by working hard.

So, maybe it's "steady (improvement) as she goes" -- ??
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Post#1187 » by jivelikenice » Sun Feb 9, 2014 6:29 am

payitforward wrote:People here tend to overestimate him among his peers, I believe, but I think anyone would put him among the top 10 PGs in the league at this point, and he's earned it by working hard.



I'd say the opposite. Ppl are quick to discredit him here and put any pg who scores well or who goes on a little run ahead of him. Its happened with Kyrie, Lin, Thomas, Lowry! Dragic, Kemba.....do I think he's clearly better than them all? No. But after the top 4 - CPE, Curry, Parker, and Westbrook (when healthy) - he's in the discussion and you can make a reasonable argument either way.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1188 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sun Feb 9, 2014 3:10 pm

It's a frickin horror show to think about how bad the Wiz would be without Wall.

Any 'credit' Grunfeld gets for the rebuild has to start with the fact that the one player standing between Ted's beloved mediocrity and the worst record in the NBA is a no-brainer first overall draft pick.

Without Wall, the entire house of cards collapses.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1189 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Feb 9, 2014 5:16 pm

payitforward wrote:
hands11 wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

Well is progressing nicely.

Seems to also have saved his body nicely. I expect his FTr to start going up as they get closer to the playoffs.

49 games played is tied with last year. I think he is pacing himself.

3 ball is up nicely as are his attempts from 1 to 3.5

Steady as she goes.

I'd say just a little better than that. His 2pt% is slightly down (too many long 2s!), but his efg% and ts% are unchanged. He's turning it over a little less and stealing it more, however -- and, with his improved 3pt. shooting, these are the areas where I think we were all most concerned.

People here tend to overestimate him among his peers, I believe, but I think anyone would put him among the top 10 PGs in the league at this point, and he's earned it by working hard.

So, maybe it's "steady (improvement) as she goes" -- ??


Wall statistically is virtually the same as last season.

http://m.bkref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXcXXcouside01.html&t=3

Cousins didn't make the all star team but did make a huge leap from last season. There is no legitimate reason for a guy who is 1st in Usage, 5th in PER, 4th in Total Rebounding Percentage, 10th in scoring not to make the all star game.



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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1190 » by hands11 » Sun Feb 9, 2014 5:44 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:It's a frickin horror show to think about how bad the Wiz would be without Wall.

Any 'credit' Grunfeld gets for the rebuild has to start with the fact that the one player standing between Ted's beloved mediocrity and the worst record in the NBA is a no-brainer first overall draft pick.

Without Wall, the entire house of cards collapses.


Who you can draft and in what slot is always about luck. Well if you believe the system isn't rigged.

No, they tanked hard to get those balls. They were active in getting Wall. And if not Wall that year, what else could they have gotten if not the #1 pick ? D Favors. Greg Monroe.

Then they would be right back in the lottery again. Maybe the following year they get the #1 and Kyrie or Enes Kanter or Jonas Valanciunas.

Then back to the lottery where maybe the land Anthony Davis or walk with Damian Lillard because they still didn't find a PG. Or they get Beal or Waiter.

One more draft and now you are looking at filling in what you didn't find already.

You never now how these things could play out if things went differently. What we know is they were tanking to rebuild. And in doing so they lucked into the #1 pick with lead to the Wall pick up.

It wasn't all luck. But luck played a huge part in it.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1191 » by montestewart » Sun Feb 9, 2014 10:24 pm

hands11 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:It's a frickin horror show to think about how bad the Wiz would be without Wall.

Any 'credit' Grunfeld gets for the rebuild has to start with the fact that the one player standing between Ted's beloved mediocrity and the worst record in the NBA is a no-brainer first overall draft pick.

Without Wall, the entire house of cards collapses.


Who you can draft and in what slot is always about luck. Well if you believe the system isn't rigged.

No, they tanked hard to get those balls. They were active in getting Wall. And if not Wall that year, what else could they have gotten if not the #1 pick ? D Favors. Greg Monroe.

It's a well-documented fact that the massive salary dump was tied to the transfer of the team from the Pollin estate to Leonsis, who didn't want all those long term contracts. Credit EG with performing the salary dump, but don't credit too much, since most of those players contributed to an NBA champion, and another contender (Cavs). The Wiz did eventually (in a roundabout way) get Booker in return. Tanking was a byproduct of the salary dump, not the end goal. After they dumped all those vets, they didn't have to tank hard, tanking was easy. Why give EG credit for a brilliant tank when he was just doing what a Pollin told him to do (again)?
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Post#1192 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:57 am

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:It's a frickin horror show to think about how bad the Wiz would be without Wall.

Any 'credit' Grunfeld gets for the rebuild has to start with the fact that the one player standing between Ted's beloved mediocrity and the worst record in the NBA is a no-brainer first overall draft pick.

Without Wall, the entire house of cards collapses.


Who you can draft and in what slot is always about luck. Well if you believe the system isn't rigged.

No, they tanked hard to get those balls. They were active in getting Wall. And if not Wall that year, what else could they have gotten if not the #1 pick ? D Favors. Greg Monroe.

It's a well-documented fact that the massive salary dump was tied to the transfer of the team from the Pollin estate to Leonsis, who didn't want all those long term contracts. Credit EG with performing the salary dump, but don't credit too much, since most of those players contributed to an NBA champion, and another contender (Cavs). The Wiz did eventually (in a roundabout way) get Booker in return. Tanking was a byproduct of the salary dump, not the end goal. After they dumped all those vets, they didn't have to tank hard, tanking was easy. Why give EG credit for a brilliant tank when he was just doing what a Pollin told him to do (again)?


Dumping salaries is tanking. He was doing what he was told by ownership. Thats always true. He is the GM. They are the owners. How he did was on him and he did pretty well.

GMs don't own teams. They do what the people that own them tell them to do.

But the things that are all EG are moving like Maynor, Glen, etc. They may have wanted a vet PG at BAE but who was primarily if not all on EG. As was letting K Marshall slip through his hands.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1193 » by payitforward » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:46 am

I see everything Hands has written above as correct (and no joking or fooling around this time...). It's absolutely true that chance plays a huge role in the draft -- and elsewhere in the game. Not just the ping pong balls, but after all you are likely picking some 19 year old kid when you get the #1, and there's plenty of room for anything to happen to a guy that age. Leave aside questions of injury -- or of what the other guy does! After all, we all think well of Sam Presti, but what if Portland had taken Durant instead of Oden! :)

And it's also true that a GM has to do what the owner wants -- or work within the framework the owner sets. I take a backseat to no one in my criticism of EG, I think he's one of the worst GMs in several decades and it's astonishing that he's been given free reign to get nothing done for more than a decade! But it was Ted who blinked and stopped "rebuilding through youth and the draft" (from Ted's 10-point plan).

I don't even fault Ernie for failing to keep Kendall Marshall. The kid did nothing with the Suns last year, nothing at all, to make you think you should waive someone to keep him. And he and Marshall were only in the deal because otherwise it wouldn't pass muster -- salary totals too out of whack.

I blame Ernie for needing to make that trade, because he had no plan B when Okafor went down -- and that was *not* unlikely either! And for his miserable drafting. Horrible choices of FAs to sign (w/ the exception of Webster -- props for that), lack of vision, and his obvious self-satisfaction with the predictably mediocre results of his poorly-conceived moves.
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Re: Official John Wall Appreciation Thread 2.0 

Post#1194 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:08 pm

The Wizards weren't tanking when they were AWFUL with those guys on long-term contracts. They can pretend they made the decision to tank by dumping long-term contracts, but the decision to "tank" was made because the team was terrible, not because it was mediocre and they were hoping to build a title contender. They were 17-33 when they made the Jamison trade.

THEY can pretend. We don't have to believe they were doing something virtuous "to win long-term." Their "decision" to tank was an admission that the team was expensive and terrible.
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Post#1195 » by go'stags » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:14 pm

Exactly, Nivek.

We made those trades a couple months after trading the 5th pick for Randy Foye and Mike Miller. Lets not act like there was ANY type of long term vision.
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Post#1196 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:25 pm

Ugh, we could've had Steph Curry.

When Wall plays d with intensity, he is better than Steph. But he has to do it (muhahaha!) *consistently*.
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Post#1197 » by Higga » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:36 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Ugh, we could've had Steph Curry.

When Wall plays d with intensity, he is better than Steph. But he has to do it (muhahaha!) *consistently*.


Could have also had Ricky Rubio.

But I love Wall, he's balling out right now, so it's all working out.
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Post#1198 » by Rafael122 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:58 pm

Higga wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Ugh, we could've had Steph Curry.

When Wall plays d with intensity, he is better than Steph. But he has to do it (muhahaha!) *consistently*.


Could have also had Ricky Rubio.

But I love Wall, he's balling out right now, so it's all working out.


Rubio looks like trash though...isn't he statistically one of the worse shooters in NBA history? Opposing teams don't respect him, at all.

Love his vision and b-ball IQ but he can't shoot.
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Post#1199 » by JonathanJoseph » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:29 am

I've been quick to criticize Wall, so let me note here that he has improved tremendously. It's not his shot that I'm impressed with (and his shot selection is still pretty poor), but his court savvy and ability to run a basketball team, not run coast to coast. Wall is a well deserving all star and may make for a top line player yet.
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Post#1200 » by hands11 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:53 am

Nivek wrote:The Wizards weren't tanking when they were AWFUL with those guys on long-term contracts. They can pretend they made the decision to tank by dumping long-term contracts, but the decision to "tank" was made because the team was terrible, not because it was mediocre and they were hoping to build a title contender. They were 17-33 when they made the Jamison trade.

THEY can pretend. We don't have to believe they were doing something virtuous "to win long-term." Their "decision" to tank was an admission that the team was expensive and terrible.


As soon as Abe passed, they started cleaning house. That was my point.

Doesn't matter. We are here now. Not efficiently but they are a lot better.

Just have to hope they are good enough now to attract a top GM and a top coach. That's what the future of this franchise is based on. If not, we can muddle through and keep cap clean in hopes of KD in 2016 and still be legit.

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