Which player on your team frustrates you the most?

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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#121 » by Sharcm1 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:07 pm

Deron Williams. The nets did not get the all star point guard they thought from the jazz. He has played nothing like the player he was in Utah. And I'm talking the entire time he has been a net. He is probably the most disappointing player in the nba.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#122 » by Damon_3388 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:04 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Deron Williams. The nets did not get the all star point guard they thought from the jazz. He has played nothing like the player he was in Utah. And I'm talking the entire time he has been a net. He is probably the most disappointing player in the nba.


Of course, stats aren't everything, but...

Deron Williams

PER
Jazz - 19.0
Nets - 19.6

Points per 36
Jazz - 17.4
Nets - 18.5

Rebounds per 36
Jazz - 3.2
Nets - 3.1

Assists per 36
Jazz - 9.2
Nets - 8.3

TS%
Jazz - .563
Nets - .548

eFG%
Jazz - .510
Nets - .492

Assist Rate
Jazz - 41.8
Nets - 41.8

Rebound Rate
Jazz - 5.4
Nets - 5.1

Steal Rate
Jazz - 1.5
Nets - 1.6

Block Rate
Jazz - 0.5
Nets - 0.7

Turnover Rate
Jazz - 16.6
Nets - 16.0

Usage Rate
Jazz - 23.3
Nets - 25.8

Free Throw Attempt Rate
Jazz - .342
Nets - .320

3-Point Attempt Rate
Jazz - .244
Nets - .371

Seems like he's pretty much been the same player (albeit with a tendency to take more threes), when he's been on the court (has struggled with injuries on and off in his time as a Net).
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#123 » by Sharcm1 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:24 pm

Why pick those stats and not regular ones like ppg apg how about fg%. He had an average of 46% fg in Utah and 41 % with the nets.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#124 » by EuroPacer » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:36 pm

For the Pacers it has to be Lance. The guy is a wonderful player when he gets it going, but he can really mess up by charging his way to the basket full-blinkers. Have to say he has got better now that he is comfortable with his role, beginning of the season he frequently had me yelling at my screen.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#125 » by TheNewEra » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:39 pm

QRich3 wrote:Has to be Jamal Crawford. His shot selection can take you out of a game easily, but more than anything it's his defense that's frustrating. He can single handedly break down your whole team's defensive possesion even when he's being hidden on the opposing team's worst player who never gets the ball.

Also, BJ Mullens' face. Even if he didn't even enter the game.


Jamal takes some what the hell shots at times but he has won us so many games or has got us going when Paul and/or Blake were being overly passive. I don't see us being anywhere as good as we are without him and JJ being as hurt as he has been. As Clip fans this topic is the definition of Jared "Doo Doo Brown" Dudley and its not even close. Either he will over pass a good shot into a worse one or get the ball turned over. He has been a complete waste this year.

Mullens at the very least is a victory troll or white flag.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#126 » by Pan Jia Yuan » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:43 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Why pick those stats and not regular ones like ppg apg how about fg%. He had an average of 46% fg in Utah and 41 % with the nets.

He's been shooting more 3s on the Nets, so FG% doesn't really work here. His efficiency has decreased a bit, but not much.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#127 » by therealbig3 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:58 pm

Even if the stats are similar though, Deron in Utah was a very consistent player game in and game out, he tended to be pretty healthy, and he was an aggressive player.

Ever since the trade, he's been super passive and super injury-prone, and nobody knows how the hell he's going to play. He'll either explode for a big game, or he's going to have a miserable performance, but most likely a miserable performance. His defense has gotten a lot worse as well. And yeah, the last straw has been this season, since at least last year when he struggled, he was still an above average PG, and then he exploded post-ASB. This year, he hasn't even been an average PG so far. I can easily name 15 PGs that have been better.

And what's worse is that physically, not in terms of his durability, but in terms of his ability to move around, his explosiveness, his ability off the dribble...he's as good as ever. He just doesn't do what he's supposed to. That's why he's so frustrating.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#128 » by manou » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:59 pm

justinandimcool wrote:There are lots of candidates for this, but ultimately- this season but mostly historically, Tony Parker
You must be joking... It's easily Danny Green for me.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#129 » by freakon0mics » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:05 pm

Being a Charlotte fan, it's MKG for me. I'm not necessarily frustrated with him but more-so his progression or lack thereof for his offensive game (jump shot). His defensive ability and intangibles for the game are through the roof especially for a 20 year old but, so far in his second year, his jump shot still hasn't improved.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#130 » by Damon_3388 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:15 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Why pick those stats and not regular ones like ppg apg


Because they're skewed by minutes played, and don't give the true picture of the rate he's doing things at, which really hasn't changed a whole lot.

Sharcm1 wrote:how about fg%. He had an average of 46% fg in Utah and 41 % with the nets.


Sure, his overall FG% has gone down, but that doens't take into account the increase in three point shots he's taking, hence why I included TS%, eFG% and his 3-point rate.
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Post#131 » by dautjazz » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:27 pm

Definitely Kanter, I was expecting around 18/10 from him, and never expected him to be such a defensive liability. Worst thing, he just seems unfocused and disinterested often.

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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#132 » by QRich3 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:37 pm

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QRich3 wrote:Has to be Jamal Crawford. His shot selection can take you out of a game easily, but more than anything it's his defense that's frustrating. He can single handedly break down your whole team's defensive possesion even when he's being hidden on the opposing team's worst player who never gets the ball.

Also, BJ Mullens' face. Even if he didn't even enter the game.


Jamal takes some what the hell shots at times but he has won us so many games or has got us going when Paul and/or Blake were being overly passive. I don't see us being anywhere as good as we are without him and JJ being as hurt as he has been. As Clip fans this topic is the definition of Jared "Doo Doo Brown" Dudley and its not even close. Either he will over pass a good shot into a worse one or get the ball turned over. He has been a complete waste this year.

Mullens at the very least is a victory troll or white flag.

Well, the question was what frustrates you the most, and I definitely get more frustrated with hero ball and lack of effort on defense than I do with passing :wink:
Yeah, Crawford's circus shots have bailed us out many times, but they go in (way) less than half the time, and offense is just half the game, so I end up frustrated at least 3 out of every 4 possesions he's involved in. Dudley is playing like sh*t but you'll never be able to fault him on effort or attitude. Also, Dudley's and Crawford's turrnover rate is virtually identic, tied for 3rd best among Clips rotation players.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#133 » by Mourning_Would » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:40 pm

Chalmers and Cole commit the dumbest fouls. Ray Allen plays no d and has bricked so many shots he hit against us. Wade and lebron are coasting, straight up no aggression, and Bosh will either be All-Star or scrub in any given game.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#134 » by Siem » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:30 pm

JR.Smith can be frustrating as hell,,,,but my answer is Raymond Felton, smh, offensively and ESPECIALLY Defensively...The effort is terrible.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#135 » by lethalizer » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:05 pm

Well, I'm an OKC fan, so you already know my answer.

I'll give you a hint anyway though: The guy had a NEGATIVE PER in last year's playoffs.

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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#136 » by timlin500 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:32 am

Speights, Barnes, Klay, Bazemore.
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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#137 » by poeman » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:04 pm

Did I mention Raymond Fatso Felton? Let it be clear if my OP was not clear enough.

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Re: Which player on your team frustrates you the most? 

Post#138 » by Wonka » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:39 pm

GARY **** NEAL. Guy shoots almost every time he touches the ball.

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