Pistons Determined to Keep Monroe - Trade Smith

[DetroitSho]

I stopped reading when you called Smith a black hole on offense, averaging over 6 assist in his last 5. I know you all want Monroe to be better but he just isn't. I'm sorry.

You should go back and resume. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "I'm not reading this" doesn't make it false. Go look at his season numbers and actually watch Pistons basketball games; where the ball gets passed to the wing and it turns into a 1 on 1 drill most of the time.

Actually, what you should do is take your views on Smith and spread them on the other boards. Let them FLOURISH. If we can get just one GM to take your viewpoint maybe we can be rid of this cancer. There wasn't one besides JoeD during the offseason but who knows?

If Smith is such a cancer than the Hawks wouldn't have been as good as they were, you don't make the playoffs 6 straight years with a cancer as involved as Smith was.

How many ridiculous posts can one person make?

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[sc8581]

You should go back and resume. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "I'm not reading this" doesn't make it false. Go look at his season numbers and actually watch Pistons basketball games; where the ball gets passed to the wing and it turns into a 1 on 1 drill most of the time.

Actually, what you should do is take your views on Smith and spread them on the other boards. Let them FLOURISH. If we can get just one GM to take your viewpoint maybe we can be rid of this cancer. There wasn't one besides JoeD during the offseason but who knows?

If Smith is such a cancer than the Hawks wouldn't have been as good as they were, you don't make the playoffs 6 straight years with a cancer as involved as Smith was.

How many ridiculous posts can one person make?

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If you have no argument for my comment just keep your mouth shut kid.

[DetroitSho]

If Smith is such a cancer than the Hawks wouldn't have been as good as they were, you don't make the playoffs 6 straight years with a cancer as involved as Smith was.

How many ridiculous posts can one person make?

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If you have no argument for my comment just keep your mouth shut kid.

I'm 31 kid. And there's no reason to waste logic on your stupidity. Don't let that fool you as "not having an argument". You're your OWN argument. You're pretty much the Michael Curry of this forum. You're self check.

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[sc8581]

How many ridiculous posts can one person make?

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If you have no argument for my comment just keep your mouth shut kid.

I'm 31 kid. And there's no reason to waste logic on your stupidity. Don't let that fool you as "not having an argument". You're your OWN argument. You're pretty much the Michael Curry of this forum. You're self check.

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If you're really 31 you really need to mature.

Like so many other threads on this board right now, this is a Monroe/Smith debate, I point out reasons why it makes more sense to keep Smith and trade Monroe, you and others throw out words like cancer and black hole that don't even make sense. I tell you guys why those words don't make sense and you come back with saying my posts are ridiculous and calling me Michael Curry yet you have no argument whatsoever because you know I'm right and that hurts you to admit you were wrong. Now, when you're ready to debate like a big boy go ahead and reply.

[sc8581]

Just something off PistonPowered I thought I would share.

Let’s just look at what happened when Monroe played and sat in this game:

8 minutes on court, Nuggets outscore Pistons 23-14
4 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 16-6
5 minutes on court, Nuggets outscore Pistons 15-8
7 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 27-17
17 minutes on court, Pistons outscore Nuggets 41-39
7 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 20-9

Yeah, that’s really bad.

[paQo the BAWSER]

Just something off PistonPowered I thought I would share.

Let’s just look at what happened when Monroe played and sat in this game:

8 minutes on court, Nuggets outscore Pistons 23-14
4 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 16-6
5 minutes on court, Nuggets outscore Pistons 15-8
7 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 27-17
17 minutes on court, Pistons outscore Nuggets 41-39
7 minutes on bench, Pistons outscore Nuggets 20-9

Yeah, that’s really bad.

Monroe is an awful defender against teams like the Nuggets.

[rmfc]

Just watching a Pistons game is good enough to realize that Monroe is a below average defender. Stats are not necessary.

[Clarity]

I love how all of you are willing to trade Smith for scraps just so we can max out Monroe this summer. Josh is the better player, would bring less back in a trade and will be making less money soon, how does this make sense?

It's amazing how such a short statement can be completely off base on so many points. Hats off to you sc8581. Pretty impressive.

- Most of us would be willing to trade Smith for nothing.

- The removal of Smith would be pure addition by subtraction for the future of our ballclub by:

a. allowing both Monroe and Drummond space to develop at the 4/5
b. enabling better ball movement on offense by getting rid of a black hole on the wing
c. giving at least a little more time to players like Datome so that we can see if we want to bring him around next year.
d. avoiding at least one source of pure knucklehead plays on offense and a headcase w/regards to effort on the floor

- I'm fairly certain we could extend Monroe without needing to do anything with Smith.

- Smith is not the better player compared to Monroe by any stretch:

a. He can't play the 3: He cant shoot outside shots, he can't / won't guard well at the three the majority of the time.
b. He can't play the 4: He still shoots the same shot pattern at the 4 as he does at the 3 (i.e. a lot of misses). Monroe is still a better defender at the 4 than Smith is in the interior. Even for stretch 4's its a wash (see effort).
c. He single-handedly shoots us out of games. Monroe does not.
d. Monroe provides fairly consistent, efficient production without the mood swings/drama.

You said it yourself. Smith wouldn't fetch as much on the open market - because teams want Monroe more. And that's because Monroe is simply better for winning ball games.

Talk to him

I've been saying since we signed Smith that he was better, it has nothing to do with his recent play. There's a reason Smith plays more minutes and it has everything to do with what he gets done on the court.

The guy who chose to play him more mins, especially in the 4th (where we have choked away double digit wins) just got fired not even 50 games into his first season as HC though.

[MotownMadness]

Smith annoys me but Monroe has his flaws as well. So I don't see why some people talk about Monroe like Hes going to take us anywhere. Monroe just doesn't have the killer instinct to take over a game when everything is intensified in the 4th qtr on either side of the ball. Could you imagine Monroe during a intense playoff game trying to take the ball inside with his non existent athleticism. He s going to get shut down. He can only jump like 6 inches off the ground.

[DetroitSho]

If you have no argument for my comment just keep your mouth shut kid.

I'm 31 kid. And there's no reason to waste logic on your stupidity. Don't let that fool you as "not having an argument". You're your OWN argument. You're pretty much the Michael Curry of this forum. You're self check.

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If you're really 31 you really need to mature.

Like so many other threads on this board right now, this is a Monroe/Smith debate, I point out reasons why it makes more sense to keep Smith and trade Monroe, you and others throw out words like cancer and black hole that don't even make sense. I tell you guys why those words don't make sense and you come back with saying my posts are ridiculous and calling me Michael Curry yet you have no argument whatsoever because you know I'm right and that hurts you to admit you were wrong. Now, when you're ready to debate like a big boy go ahead and reply.

Please please PLEEEEEEAAAAAASE quote one post, just ONE post of mine with me calling Smith either a cancer or a black hole. I DARE you. I'll give you a month to do it. Quite frankly, along with Max contract, and a few other basketball jargon, I believe "cancer" is a stupid term thrown around too easily in basketball forums. It's a stupid term to use in the first place in basketball context, and it gets even more dumb when used in the wrong basketball situation.

I have zero belief that Josh is a cancer because I think that term is for guys who are CLEARLY disruptive in the locker room and it's common knowledge. Guys with terrible attitudes and body language that barely nobody else on the team can stand or wants to be around. By all accounts Josh is actually a pretty soft spoken easy going dude who is nice to teammates and they like him.

My response to you was about the idiotic statement that Atlanta couldn't have made the playoffs for 6 straight years if Josh Smith was a cancer. THAT'S the idiotic logic I want you to STFU about because it sounds stupid. Half the '87-88 Pistons couldn't stand Adrian Dantley, dude was a cancer, but they were a head butt/bad pass away from playing for a championship. Ever hear of Ron Artest? Yeah that dude never disturbed a locker room before, NOT. But the Pacers were a championship contender with him there, let alone a team that consistently made the playoffs. The Lakers recently won 2 championships with a dude who liked to smoke crack as their 6th man and a space cadet up front at center.

So lose me with the "the Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs those years if they had a cancer on the team" bs. THAT'S what I'm arguing. You would be such a better poster if you just didn't push the "submit" button.

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[sc8581]

I'm 31 kid. And there's no reason to waste logic on your stupidity. Don't let that fool you as "not having an argument". You're your OWN argument. You're pretty much the Michael Curry of this forum. You're self check.

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If you're really 31 you really need to mature.

Like so many other threads on this board right now, this is a Monroe/Smith debate, I point out reasons why it makes more sense to keep Smith and trade Monroe, you and others throw out words like cancer and black hole that don't even make sense. I tell you guys why those words don't make sense and you come back with saying my posts are ridiculous and calling me Michael Curry yet you have no argument whatsoever because you know I'm right and that hurts you to admit you were wrong. Now, when you're ready to debate like a big boy go ahead and reply.

Please please PLEEEEEEAAAAAASE quote one post, just ONE post of mine with me calling Smith either a cancer or a black hole. I DARE you. I'll give you a month to do it. Quite frankly, along with Max contract, and a few other basketball jargon, I believe "cancer" is a stupid term thrown around too easily in basketball forums. It's a stupid term to use in the first place in basketball context, and it gets even more dumb when used in the wrong basketball situation.

I have zero belief that Josh is a cancer because I think that term is for guys who are CLEARLY disruptive in the locker room and it's common knowledge. Guys with terrible attitudes and body language that barely nobody else on the team can stand or wants to be around. By all accounts Josh is actually a pretty soft spoken easy going dude who is nice to teammates and they like him.

My response to you was about the idiotic statement that Atlanta couldn't have made the playoffs for 6 straight years if Josh Smith was a cancer. THAT'S the idiotic logic I want you to STFU about because it sounds stupid. Half the '87-88 Pistons couldn't stand Adrian Dantley, dude was a cancer, but they were a head butt/bad pass away from playing for a championship. Ever hear of Ron Artest? Yeah that dude never disturbed a locker room before, NOT. But the Pacers were a championship contender with him there, let alone a team that consistently made the playoffs. The Lakers recently won 2 championships with a dude who liked to smoke crack as their 6th man and a space cadet up front at center.

So lose me with the "the Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs those years if they had a cancer on the team" bs. THAT'S what I'm arguing. You would be such a better poster if you just didn't push the "submit" button.

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Six straight years of making the playoffs with their #2 guy being a "cancer" would not have happened. Guys that might deserve that title can be reeled in for much shorter periods of time but not 6 years, the length was clearly my emphasis.

[Invictus88]

If you're really 31 you really need to mature.

Like so many other threads on this board right now, this is a Monroe/Smith debate, I point out reasons why it makes more sense to keep Smith and trade Monroe, you and others throw out words like cancer and black hole that don't even make sense. I tell you guys why those words don't make sense and you come back with saying my posts are ridiculous and calling me Michael Curry yet you have no argument whatsoever because you know I'm right and that hurts you to admit you were wrong. Now, when you're ready to debate like a big boy go ahead and reply.

Please please PLEEEEEEAAAAAASE quote one post, just ONE post of mine with me calling Smith either a cancer or a black hole. I DARE you. I'll give you a month to do it. Quite frankly, along with Max contract, and a few other basketball jargon, I believe "cancer" is a stupid term thrown around too easily in basketball forums. It's a stupid term to use in the first place in basketball context, and it gets even more dumb when used in the wrong basketball situation.

I have zero belief that Josh is a cancer because I think that term is for guys who are CLEARLY disruptive in the locker room and it's common knowledge. Guys with terrible attitudes and body language that barely nobody else on the team can stand or wants to be around. By all accounts Josh is actually a pretty soft spoken easy going dude who is nice to teammates and they like him.

My response to you was about the idiotic statement that Atlanta couldn't have made the playoffs for 6 straight years if Josh Smith was a cancer. THAT'S the idiotic logic I want you to STFU about because it sounds stupid. Half the '87-88 Pistons couldn't stand Adrian Dantley, dude was a cancer, but they were a head butt/bad pass away from playing for a championship. Ever hear of Ron Artest? Yeah that dude never disturbed a locker room before, NOT. But the Pacers were a championship contender with him there, let alone a team that consistently made the playoffs. The Lakers recently won 2 championships with a dude who liked to smoke crack as their 6th man and a space cadet up front at center.

So lose me with the "the Hawks wouldn't have made the playoffs those years if they had a cancer on the team" bs. THAT'S what I'm arguing. You would be such a better poster if you just didn't push the "submit" button.

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Six straight years of making the playoffs with their #2 guy being a "cancer" would not have happened. Guys that might deserve that title can be reeled in for much shorter periods of time but not 6 years, the length was clearly my emphasis.

I wasn't talking about Smith being a cancer in the locker room. I guess I equate cancer to anything that is a long term overall detriment to a team and is hard to get rid of. Maybe cancer is too strong of a word. Do you like cyst or non-malignant tumor better?

In all seriousness, Atlanta seems to be doing fine without him. Horford has missed a bunch of games this year but they picked up Millsap who has been a steal for them. Teague is also very solid but that's about it. And they are currently a .500 ballclub. They no longer have some of the staple names that also contributed to playoff runs such as Crawford and Joe Johnson so I wouldn't expect them to go far in the playoffs. But they never went very far with the playoffs with him either. (Wasn't 2nd round the farthest they ever got?)

So yeah. I guess if your point is that Smith wasn't terrible enough to keep Atlanta from making the playoffs in the East with who else they had on their team then you have me there.

Cyst it is.