The Trade Thread

[pollack419]

Don't even bite on those Carmelo Anthony rumors. The Knicks aren't trading him.

Yes plus the Knicks are in a bad cap sit. There best play is to pray they can resign him.

[Damon_3388]

Don't even bite on those Carmelo Anthony rumors. The Knicks aren't trading him.

Yes plus the Knicks are in a bad cap sit. There best play is to pray they can resign him.

Hence why the trade sfball13 proposed might make sense for them.

If they chose not to re-sign Monroe (would assume they would, but anyway), they could have up to $21 million come off their cap number next year, as Charlie V, Stuckey and Monroe are all expiring, and only be commited to small numbers for Bynum and Datome. If they chose to go the early termination option on both Amar'e and Andrea Bargnani (which they could well do), that's another $35 million gone, and suddenly they've only got around $36 million commited, and they're way under the cap. Say then that they want to give Monroe some good money and make him the centrepiece, they can still do that, still have fair chunk of cap room to either sign someone now, or be out from under Tyson Chandler's huge contract in a year, and have a heap of free agent cash to throw around at two stars then too.

[sfballa13]

Don't even bite on those Carmelo Anthony rumors. The Knicks aren't trading him.

Yes plus the Knicks are in a bad cap sit. There best play is to pray they can resign him.

Hence why the trade sfball13 proposed might make sense for them.

If they chose not to re-sign Monroe (would assume they would, but anyway), they could have up to $21 million come off their cap number next year, as Charlie V, Stuckey and Monroe are all expiring, and only be commited to small numbers for Bynum and Datome. If they chose to go the early termination option on both Amar'e and Andrea Bargnani (which they could well do), that's another $35 million gone, and suddenly they've only got around $36 million commited, and they're way under the cap. Say then that they want to give Monroe some good money and make him the centrepiece, they can still do that, still have fair chunk of cap room to either sign someone now, or be out from under Tyson Chandler's huge contract in a year, and have a heap of free agent cash to throw around at two stars then too.

Dolan is too proud to let Melo walk away for nothing. I dont care what the wiretap or any analyst spews out of his mouth. Melo is gone from NYC. They will never be able to get rid of Bargs, Chandler, and Amare until the year after next and Melo doesnt want to waste another year.

And yes he would sign with Detroit because he wants the extra 35M.

[MotownMadness]

I'm reading rumors that we are interested in Deng or Turner. Ideally I would like to trade Smith for Deng but the Cavs probably won't want it. So if we traded Monroe to Cleveland than how about something like Monroe+Stuckey for Deng+Waiters.

[Q00]

I'm reading rumors that we are interested in Deng or Turner. Ideally I would like to trade Smith for Deng but the Cavs probably won't want it. So if we traded Monroe to Cleveland than how about something like Monroe+Stuckey for Deng+Waiters.

Link?

I'd do that deal for Deng/Waiters

[DBC10]

I'm reading rumors that we are interested in Deng or Turner. Ideally I would like to trade Smith for Deng but the Cavs probably won't want it. So if we traded Monroe to Cleveland than how about something like Monroe+Stuckey for Deng+Waiters.

Deng would be a rental that likely won't re-sign with us. From what I heard, he's at that point in his career where he wants to chase after a ring. We're nowhere near contending status for the next 2-3 years minimum.

[The Penguin]

Piston in: Melo, Rondo, Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Toure' Murray

Celtics in: Brandon Jennings, CV31, Jerebko, Bynum, Singler

Knicks in: Monroe, Stuckey, Datome, Siva


Rondo/Billups
KCP
Melo/Wallace
Smith/Bass
Drummond/Harrelson

[Kilo]

Won't trade Monroe within the division. Cleveland wouldn't take Smith.

[MotownMadness]

Won't trade Monroe within the division. Cleveland wouldn't take Smith.

Why wouldn't we trade him within the division? He's not a superstar or anything that's going to make Cleveland a powerhouse.

[MotownMadness]

I'm reading rumors that we are interested in Deng or Turner. Ideally I would like to trade Smith for Deng but the Cavs probably won't want it. So if we traded Monroe to Cleveland than how about something like Monroe+Stuckey for Deng+Waiters.

Deng would be a rental that likely won't re-sign with us. From what I heard, he's at that point in his career where he wants to chase after a ring. We're nowhere near contending status for the next 2-3 years minimum.

Even If Deng doesn't resign we will have Waiters on a rookie scale for the next couple of years. Also without resigning Monroe we would have around 20 mil in capspace again.

[MotownMadness]

Steve Kyler from basketball insiders-

"Having spoken with teams trying to pry Monroe out of Detroit the price tag on him is EXCESSIVELY high. You are not getting Greg for anything that doesn’t include a borderline All-Star or a top tier draft pick. It might take both".

Not sounding like Moose will be getting traded.

[engelbert321]

Steve Kyler from basketball insiders-

"Having spoken with teams trying to pry Monroe out of Detroit the price tag on him is EXCESSIVELY high. You are not getting Greg for anything that doesn’t include a borderline All-Star or a top tier draft pick. It might take both".

Not sounding like Moose will be getting traded.

Both? Typical Dumars overvaluing his players.

[MotownMadness]

Steve Kyler from basketball insiders-

"Having spoken with teams trying to pry Monroe out of Detroit the price tag on him is EXCESSIVELY high. You are not getting Greg for anything that doesn’t include a borderline All-Star or a top tier draft pick. It might take both".

Not sounding like Moose will be getting traded.

Both? Typical Dumars overvaluing his players.

Yeah, He really doesn't understand what it takes to build a team. So now where going to be stuck paying Monroe and Smith around 13 mil a year. I really don't understand it. He already **** up signing Smith which now means you need to trade Monroe for more pieces. Instead he's just going to resign him and be stuck with this same dysfunctional lineup. By the time he can fix it Monroe will be a UFA ready to bolt.

[Kilo]

So we're stuck with paying Moose the max, while Smith plays out of position the next three years - a recipe for success.

Of course this is great news because it means Monroe won't be dealt until the off-season when hopefully Dumars is fired/not re-signed and Gores hires somebody who has a friggin clue to clean up this Dumars mess.

[Q00]

Steve Kyler from basketball insiders-

"Having spoken with teams trying to pry Monroe out of Detroit the price tag on him is EXCESSIVELY high. You are not getting Greg for anything that doesn’t include a borderline All-Star or a top tier draft pick. It might take both".

Not sounding like Moose will be getting traded.

Both? Typical Dumars overvaluing his players.

Not necessarily true. Its always smart negotiating to set your asking price high. That doesn't mean he overvalues him, or that he won't accept anything less, but maybe there's a team who gives him what he asks for, so its always worth trying. You can always negotiate a lower deal later.

There's a great article by David Aldridge on NBA.com up about where the Pistons are currently at with the Monroe situation. Essentially it says they would like to resign him to a contract like Ibaka got. And would be willing to max him out if that's what it took to keep him, but it would take a blockbuster deal to trade him. Who knows anymore with the coaching change. Its now legitimate to think they could be planning to just keep him if they are going to get Hollins to coach him. Of course this also could all be posturing through the media to make other teams think they need to raise their offers to get him. 10 more days to find out...

I don't see how its unreasonable though for the Pistons to expect to get a borderline all-star or top-tier pick for Monroe. Because that's basically what he is - a borderline all-star who was a top-tier pick. If they won't settle for anything less than both, than that's different, but they should at least get one or the other. I don't get why the media seems to keep reporting it like its some outrageous asking price either. I can't blame them for not wanting to give him up just for a role player who fits better.

[sc8581]

Steve Kyler from basketball insiders-



Not sounding like Moose will be getting traded.

Both? Typical Dumars overvaluing his players.

Not necessarily true. Its always smart negotiating to set your asking price high. That doesn't mean he overvalues him, or that he won't accept anything less, but maybe there's a team who gives him what he asks for, so its always worth trying. You can always negotiate a lower deal later.

There's a great article by David Aldridge on NBA.com up about where the Pistons are currently at with the Monroe situation. Essentially it says they would like to resign him to a contract like Ibaka got. And would be willing to max him out if that's what it took to keep him, but it would take a blockbuster deal to trade him. Who knows anymore with the coaching change. Its now legitimate to think they could be planning to just keep him if they are going to get Hollins to coach him. Of course this also could all be posturing through the media to make other teams think they need to raise their offers to get him. 10 more days to find out...

I don't see how its unreasonable though for the Pistons to expect to get a borderline all-star or top-tier pick for Monroe. Because that's basically what he is - a borderline all-star who was a top-tier pick. If they won't settle for anything less than both, than that's different, but they should at least get one or the other. I can't blame them for not wanting to give him up just for a role player who fits better.

I consider anything I hear through the media to be posturing.

[jakebernat]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pafrtzg

-godsend trade for our spacing and chemistry. we turn smith and bynum into ariza and anderson.
-wizards get the uptempo and defensive PF they need in smith as well as a backup PG in bynum.
-pelicans take on a good chunk of salary, but fill 3 major holes in their lineup (complimentary center next to davis, upgraded SF shooting, and a good backup PG). they're the question mark here, but since they don't have their own draft pick anyways, i feel like they'd make some roster upgrades if they good.
-the nuggets turn two bad contracts into one bad one that could be a much better fit with their lineup.

[Kilo]

Only trade will be moving CV's expiring contract for a longer contract of a player who could be in our 8-9 man rotation for this season and the next. Too many teams are tanking for the Pistons to be able to get below the 8th pick, and after tonights win we're tied for the 8th seed in the play-offs. I know Moose and Smoove trades are more fun with bigger, sexier names coming back, but I really think some focus should be on what we could reasonably get for CV at this stage as it is the most likely move. Gores isn't going to demand a play-off push, change the coach mid-season and then leave $7M on the bench as DNP-CD the whole season, we're going to get a usable part for him, while at the same time aiding somebodies tank job. Could be a three-way if there isn't a match for us with the tankers.

[ComboGuardCity]

Chandler and Miller for Stuckey and Bynum.

[Neptune]

Chandler and Miller for Stuckey and Bynum.

Yes!