Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[moocow007]

even bulls fan say they would be getting away with murder.

They either take cokehead and give us and extra pick instead of snell and I would consider it.

Chicago needs to understand which I think they do is that Chicago is not Melo's first choice so for them to have the leverege by trading for him now and then being able to offer his the most money would be benificial to them.

I don't want to trade Melo but if he is going and we know he is going then we have to get the best possible package for him.

Why instead of Snell? Include Snell as well...JR Smith instead of Shumpert...AND another 1st round pick. At least then it's basically Jimmy Butler and a couple Bulls 1st round picks (which likely will have marginal value with Anthony's offense tag teamed with Thibodeau's defense, Noah's presence and possibly Derek Rose starting next season for the long haul)...and that's arguably not even as good as what the Knicks gave up to get Anthony in the first place.

remember the Knicks traded for a guy who was 25 turning 26, they are trading a guy who is 29 going on 30.

Doesn't matter. The Bulls are not in a situation where Carmelo Anthony is demanding only to go to them nor are they in a position to be able to just sign him outright as a free agent. And Anthony has actually gotten better IMO as an all around player since he's arrived in NY...and he's not 33 turning 34. The initial package is poo. It is. When Bulls fans think it's lopsided in their own favor it's a clear sign that it's poo (remember how most Knick fans thought we were overpaying and some even getting ripped off?). Jimmy Butler and maybe a 1st round pick as the only real gains (Boozer, Hinrich are fluff that is useless for the Knicks in the big picture...fool's gold for fool's...from trading Carmelo Anthony is poo. Doesn't matter how much one hates Anthony or overrates Butler the role player.

[Marty McFly]

for folks who are dying to keep Shump and keep defending him - this season's #'s don't lie:

1. Shump has scored zero 8 times
2. Shump has scored 5 pts or less THIRTY TIMES
3. Shump has scored double digits 13 times

Untouchable! Not meant as a prospect, but as in the meaning of the Indian caste system. This guy is horrible

Just in case there's any confusion...not sure about anyone else...I'm not dying to keep Shumpert. I'd trade anyone, including Carmelo Anthony, Tim Hardaway and Jeremy Tyler if it made sense. Making sense is the most important thing. Shumpert as essentially a throw in the initial rumored Bulls package is stupid (almost as if they were doing us a favor for taking him). Has nothing to do with loving Shumpert.

pretty much.

[mpharris36]

for folks who are dying to keep Shump and keep defending him - this season's #'s don't lie:

1. Shump has scored zero 8 times
2. Shump has scored 5 pts or less THIRTY TIMES
3. Shump has scored double digits 13 times

Untouchable! Not meant as a prospect, but as in the meaning of the Indian caste system. This guy is horrible

Just in case there's any confusion...not sure about anyone else...I'm not dying to keep Shumpert. I'd trade anyone, including Carmelo Anthony, Tim Hardaway and Jeremy Tyler if it made sense. Making sense is the most important thing. Shumpert as essentially a throw in the initial rumored Bulls package is stupid (almost as if they were doing us a favor for taking him). Has nothing to do with loving Shumpert.

agreed moo

now if shumpert is the key on getting Mirotic involved in the deal along with Butler and a 2 1st rounders then fine. But If they don't want to give us Mirotic then Shumpert is staying and they have to take JR smith.

[R-DAWG]

Why instead of Snell? Include Snell as well...JR Smith instead of Shumpert...AND another 1st round pick. At least then it's basically Jimmy Butler and a couple Bulls 1st round picks (which likely will have marginal value with Anthony's offense tag teamed with Thibodeau's defense, Noah's presence and possibly Derek Rose starting next season for the long haul)...and that's arguably not even as good as what the Knicks gave up to get Anthony in the first place.

remember the Knicks traded for a guy who was 25 turning 26, they are trading a guy who is 29 going on 30.

Doesn't matter. The Bulls are not in a situation where Carmelo Anthony is demanding only to go to them nor are they in a position to be able to just sign him outright as a free agent. And Anthony has actually gotten better IMO as an all around player since he's arrived in NY...and he's not 33 turning 34. The initial package is poo. It is. When Bulls fans think it's lopsided in their own favor it's a clear sign that it's poo (remember how most Knick fans thought we were overpaying and some even getting ripped off?). Jimmy Butler and maybe a 1st round pick as the only real gains (Boozer, Hinrich are fluff that is useless for the Knicks in the big picture...fool's gold for fool's...from trading Carmelo Anthony is poo. Doesn't matter how much one hates Anthony or overrates Butler the role player.

That's why this is my proposal:
Boozer
Hinrich
RIghts to Mirotic
Butler
2012 Charlotte Pick
2014 Bulls Pick
2016 Bulls Pick

in exchange for
Carmelo Anthony
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton

You can take out Shump/Butler if you want, or swap Shump and Mirotic. But if i'm the Knicks and i'm A) trading Melo to a conference rival that has a 5 year window to win it all and B) taking on Boozers salary I need 4 of the following (Charlotte 2014 pick, CHI 2014 pick, CHI 2016 pick, Rights to Mirotic, Jimmy Butler). My preference is 3 picks and Mirotic but as long as we get 4 assets without giving up Shump and 1 is the Bobcats pick i'm ok with it.

[moocow007]

for folks who are dying to keep Shump and keep defending him - this season's #'s don't lie:

1. Shump has scored zero 8 times
2. Shump has scored 5 pts or less THIRTY TIMES
3. Shump has scored double digits 13 times

Untouchable! Not meant as a prospect, but as in the meaning of the Indian caste system. This guy is horrible

Just in case there's any confusion...not sure about anyone else...I'm not dying to keep Shumpert. I'd trade anyone, including Carmelo Anthony, Tim Hardaway and Jeremy Tyler if it made sense. Making sense is the most important thing. Shumpert as essentially a throw in the initial rumored Bulls package is stupid (almost as if they were doing us a favor for taking him). Has nothing to do with loving Shumpert.

agreed moo

now if shumpert is the key on getting Mirotic involved in the deal along with Butler and a 2 1st rounders then fine. But If they don't want to give us Mirotic then Shumpert is staying and they have to take JR smith.

They should be routing Taj Gibson to a 3rd team who can then route some real assets to NY. Plenty of teams like Gibson apparently and could possibly offer up something that fits better with the Knicks. IMO there should be no way that they get to even keep Gibson in a Anthony deal. Doesn't matter if Gibson's contract is longer than might fit with NY. He's valued elsewhere. Ship his ass to another team who can then give the Knicks what they want (another 1st round pick at least or a young player).

[NYchris]

if we trade melo ship off Tyson with him for noah back in return I would rather have a center who hustles every game than Tyson anyway.

[R-DAWG]

if we trade melo ship off Tyson with him for noah back in return I would rather have a center who hustles every game than Tyson anyway.

why would the Bulls do that? The point of trading for Melo is to have a big 3 of Rose-Melo-Noah with pieces like Gibson, Dunleavy, Hinrich, ect to surround them.

But you 100% follow this trade up with Tyson Chandler to the highest bidder.

[R-DAWG]

Just in case there's any confusion...not sure about anyone else...I'm not dying to keep Shumpert. I'd trade anyone, including Carmelo Anthony, Tim Hardaway and Jeremy Tyler if it made sense. Making sense is the most important thing. Shumpert as essentially a throw in the initial rumored Bulls package is stupid (almost as if they were doing us a favor for taking him). Has nothing to do with loving Shumpert.

agreed moo

now if shumpert is the key on getting Mirotic involved in the deal along with Butler and a 2 1st rounders then fine. But If they don't want to give us Mirotic then Shumpert is staying and they have to take JR smith.

They should be routing Taj Gibson to a 3rd team who can then route some real assets to NY. Plenty of teams like Gibson apparently and could possibly offer up something that fits better with the Knicks. IMO there should be no way that they get to even keep Gibson in a Anthony deal. Doesn't matter if Gibson's contract is longer than might fit with NY. He's valued elsewhere. Ship his ass to another team who can then give the Knicks what they want (another 1st round pick at least or a young player).

the bulls could send us what we want and hold onto Taj. They have the assets. But let's be real here. If the Bulls want to trade for Melo they need to ALL IN. If it's just Butler and a late first we will pass. There isn't enough there for us to restart with Melo.

[cw3k]

Rose is over rated. He broke both of his legs and you would be dream if he can get back anywhere close to where he was before injury. Just look at Amare. He is a great example what happened to someone to surgery on both legs.

[moocow007]

remember the Knicks traded for a guy who was 25 turning 26, they are trading a guy who is 29 going on 30.

Doesn't matter. The Bulls are not in a situation where Carmelo Anthony is demanding only to go to them nor are they in a position to be able to just sign him outright as a free agent. And Anthony has actually gotten better IMO as an all around player since he's arrived in NY...and he's not 33 turning 34. The initial package is poo. It is. When Bulls fans think it's lopsided in their own favor it's a clear sign that it's poo (remember how most Knick fans thought we were overpaying and some even getting ripped off?). Jimmy Butler and maybe a 1st round pick as the only real gains (Boozer, Hinrich are fluff that is useless for the Knicks in the big picture...fool's gold for fool's...from trading Carmelo Anthony is poo. Doesn't matter how much one hates Anthony or overrates Butler the role player.

That's why this is my proposal:
Boozer
Hinrich
RIghts to Mirotic
Butler
2012 Charlotte Pick
2014 Bulls Pick
2016 Bulls Pick

in exchange for
Carmelo Anthony
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton

You can take out Shump/Butler if you want, or swap Shump and Mirotic. But if i'm the Knicks and i'm A) trading Melo to a conference rival that has a 5 year window to win it all and B) taking on Boozers salary I need 4 of the following (Charlotte 2014 pick, CHI 2014 pick, CHI 2016 pick, Rights to Mirotic, Jimmy Butler). My preference is 3 picks and Mirotic but as long as we get 4 assets without giving up Shump and 1 is the Bobcats pick i'm ok with it.

That would be much better.

[mpharris36]

That's why this is my proposal:
Boozer
Hinrich
RIghts to Mirotic
Butler
2012 Charlotte Pick
2014 Bulls Pick
2016 Bulls Pick

in exchange for
Carmelo Anthony
Iman Shumpert
Raymond Felton

You can take out Shump/Butler if you want, or swap Shump and Mirotic. But if i'm the Knicks and i'm A) trading Melo to a conference rival that has a 5 year window to win it all and B) taking on Boozers salary I need 4 of the following (Charlotte 2014 pick, CHI 2014 pick, CHI 2016 pick, Rights to Mirotic, Jimmy Butler). My preference is 3 picks and Mirotic but as long as we get 4 assets without giving up Shump and 1 is the Bobcats pick i'm ok with it.

That would be much better.

get butler and the 3 picks.

then trade chandler and shumpert to the suns for okafor and 2 first rounders (washingtons pick and pacers pick).

then we have 6 picks (including our projected lottery pick in 2015) plus butler and THjr with max cap space in 2015 offseason.

[AndrettiFamily]

What could we do to get Tony Wroten from Philly? point guard of the future potential

[Meat]

Rose is over rated. He broke both of his legs and you would be dream if he can get back anywhere close to where he was before injury. Just look at Amare. He is a great example what happened to someone to surgery on both legs.

there's a HUGE difference between ligament surgery and micro fracture surgery. hell

[dakomish]

Latest "rumor" is that there's no way they trade Melo. If it's Melo at the 4, then you better get a two way 3. Deng fits the bill to a T IMO.

[FlashFlood]

The Knicks need to blow it up, trade Melo for 2-3 1st rnd draft picks, Chandler for pick(s), and shuffling the roster with a mix of potential / vets from contender teams like SA or Miami, and by the time Amar'es contract runs out, the team is on the market to retain their restricted up-and-coming players and buy a few prime time FAs from the market to stack the deck.

Maybe even one all-star develops.

They need to let Woodson go and get a development type in there. Larry Brown?

Best case scenario, Kevin Durant, Russel Westbrook and James Harden clones are found, contend for title for decade(s).

Worst case scenario, you wait a few extra years for a decent player to build around, shuffling your roster's youth for draft picks and be terrible for a while.

Either way, i think that's the quickest way for NY to get a title.

[ozwizard8]

i just cant see bulls giving 3-4 for 1st rounders+j.butler for melo.
melo wants to win. so he knows he better go at the end of the season and make a fresh start.
also these draft picks are valuable. bulls can trade them for good players with low salary when melo signs with them in off season.

bulls looks like good option for melo with their assets. without butler and those draft picks i'm not sure about bulls.
also d.rose condition is compelling. after STAT the new injury prone star next to melo.
they have great coach thibs but in their system losing boozer-deng like scorers doesnt affect team much so i'm not sure if melo can get title there.

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for us rebuilding is necessity.
i would send chandler to phx for picks right away.
maybe try for barg+fillers+cash+2nd round for o.asik.
hire new coach like HOLLINS for saving these 2 year before rebuildingwith melo.

[mpharris36]

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what can we get for him? I would be willing to take back maynor 2 year deal if a pick would be coming back

[newyorker4ever]

if we trade melo ship off Tyson with him for noah back in return I would rather have a center who hustles every game than Tyson anyway.

That's what i'm talking about. I would love to have J.Noah because that guy hustles and gives everything he's got every single play and is a true team player.

[Ris_44]

Would Cleveland take this?

NY trades Chandler, Shumpert, Felton
CLE trades Varajao, Jack, Waiters

We get a better point guard to start, a Center who's similar and exchange young Shooting guard who even though disgruntled has plenty of talent.

They get a veteran leader and starting c, a cheaper back up point guard and a more level headed SG who has plenty of potential to exchange for their headache...

[spikeslovechild]

Toronto Raptors Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
J.R. Smith, 28 year old , 6-6, 220 lb SG, 13.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 32.3 minutes
Raymond Felton, 29 year old , 6-1, 205 lb PG, 10.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Beno Udrih, 31 year old , 6-3, 210 lb G, 5.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 19.0 minutes
Kenneth Faried, 24 year old , 6-8, 228 lb F, 10.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 24.8 minutes

Outgoing Players
Landry Fields, 25 year old , 6-7, 215 lb F, 2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.9 minutes
Kyle Lowry, 27 year old , 6-0, 205 lb PG, 16.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 7.5 apg in 36.3 minutes
Greivis Vasquez, 27 year old , 6-6, 211 lb G, 7.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.4 apg in 21.7 minutes

New York Knicks Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Landry Fields, 25 year old , 6-7, 215 lb F, 2.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.9 minutes
Kyle Lowry 27 year old , 6-0, 205 lb PG , 16.7 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 7.5 apg in 36.3 minutes
Greivis Vasquez 27 year old , 6-6, 211 lb G, 7.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.4 apg in 21.7 minutes

Outgoing Players
J.R. Smith, 28 year old , 6-6, 220 lb SG, 13.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 32.3 minutes
Raymond Felton, 29 year old , 6-1, 205 lb PG, 10.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32.2 minutes
Iman Shumpert, 23 year old , 6-5, 220 lb G, 7.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.2 minutes
Beno Udrih, 31 year old , 6-3, 210 lb G, 5.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 3.5 apg in 19.0 minutes

Denver Nuggets Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Iman Shumpert, 23 year old , 6-5, 220 lb G, 7.0 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.2 minutes

Outgoing Players
Kenneth Faried, 24 year old , 6-8, 228 lb F, 10.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 24.8 minutes