Where would we be if Dumars didn't sign Smith?

[Q00]

We're going to agree to disagree then. I also added a part in my post about how it would've been the better scenario to properly evaluate whether or not the twin towers can work with shooters around them instead of signing a PF to play SF.

We agree on the last part. I thought the main reason why it was so important to start Drummond last year was to get a full year of evaluation with him and Monroe together, in order to know the best course to take in FA. That was a major gaffe by the organization. All this talk/debate now about who fits better could've been answered last year had they just started them together from Day 1.

[theBigLip]

Middleton and Webster over Smith? Come on man... Middleton is slightly better than Singler and Webster doesn't have the impact on either end of the floor that Smith does.

So does this mean the Smith signing was the best thing we could have done this summer?

[sc8581]

Middleton and Webster over Smith? Come on man... Middleton is slightly better than Singler and Webster doesn't have the impact on either end of the floor that Smith does.

So does this mean the Smith signing was the best thing we could have done this summer?

It does if we would have traded Monroe for a wing and moved Smith to PF.

[Blkbrd671]

Alot of blame falls on smooth, however our main problem is we can't stop any of the oppossing offenses. We go into every game hoping to outscore opponents , however the good defensive teams know how to execute at the end of games. THE MAJORITY of our defensive problems start with Jennings, while he is better, he is still subpar defensively at his best. While i would find it hard to argue Knight>Jennings, a case can be made for Knight+Middleton > Jennings.

If we didn't sign smith, we'd be a mediocre team with cap space to take on a big contract that maybe expiring next year. however we'd 9th or 10th seed

[Clarity]

If we didn't sign smith, we'd be a mediocre team with cap space to take on a big contract that maybe expiring next year. however we'd 9th or 10th seed

Were a mediocre team now lol. Mediocre instead of terrible only because Drummond is so good.

We were a much more watchable team last year w/ out the 54m bonehead.

[Blkbrd671]

If we didn't sign smith, we'd be a mediocre team with cap space to take on a big contract that maybe expiring next year. however we'd 9th or 10th seed

Were a mediocre team now lol. Mediocre instead of terrible only because Drummond is so good.

We were a much more watchable team last year w/ out the 54m bonehead.

Only reason we were watchable team last year is because for a period of time Bynum and Dre had a chemistry thing going. Then Bynum came back down to reality

[Clarity]

If we didn't sign smith, we'd be a mediocre team with cap space to take on a big contract that maybe expiring next year. however we'd 9th or 10th seed

Were a mediocre team now lol. Mediocre instead of terrible only because Drummond is so good.

We were a much more watchable team last year w/ out the 54m bonehead.

Only reason we were watchable team last year is because for a period of time Bynum and Dre had a chemistry thing going. Then Bynum came back down to reality

Agreed but Bynum was good all year last year.

It was a joy watching Monroe last year too, he had a great year.

Much more enjoyable than this year.

[Warspite]

Spending 16mil on Jennings, Korver and keeping Middelton, Knight (thus not retaining Bynum) would have given us 10-15 more wins this yr. This team doesnt need volume scoring from the SF. The only players that would be worth Smiths contract on our team would have been at PG. Yes in hindsight Joe blew it again. I dont know what he was thinking other than getting the best FA he could regardless of position.

[Pharaoh]

There really weren't any SF options in free agency since Iguodala decided he didnt want to come here. And since NBA rules dictate you need to spend a minimum amount of your cap space (can't just leave it unspent)

Umm, yes you can leave it unspent!

There is this line of thinking that you must spend up to the minimum salary cap...if you read up on the CBA you'll bust this myth.

Let's assume you are $14 mil under the minimum salary cap...and remain so all season long. When the season ends the league forces you to pay that $14 mil.

But who do you pay it to? Your players!

You must spend the minimum cap - you don't have to sign clowns to do it!





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[Pharaoh]

I believe most of this forum scoffed when I suggested that we go hard after Korver or Redick (and Millsap) in the off-season...now the idea of signing Korver is getting almost universal praise? Cool

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[Laimbeer]

My guess is Joe signed Smith because of all the heat he was feeling from Gores. He knew it was a gamble,but he had to take it.

I've gone back and forth on whether it was a good thing. But at this point I do believe Smith is an asset who would fetch something in return or he could slide to the four should we decide to do a sign and trade with Monroe.

[Clarity]

My guess is Joe signed Smith because of all the heat he was feeling from Gores. He knew it was a gamble,but he had to take it.

Gores pressure had a lot to do with it but Joe has been way off on talent evaluation for a while now.

[Laimbeer]

My guess is Joe signed Smith because of all the heat he was feeling from Gores. He knew it was a gamble,but he had to take it.

Gores pressure had a lot to do with it but Joe has been way off on talent evaluation for a while now.

In retrospect, the value isn't awful. The fit is, but I think we can still come out of it on the plus side.

[Invictus88]

There really weren't any SF options in free agency since Iguodala decided he didnt want to come here. And since NBA rules dictate you need to spend a minimum amount of your cap space (can't just leave it unspent)

Umm, yes you can leave it unspent!

There is this line of thinking that you must spend up to the minimum salary cap...if you read up on the CBA you'll bust this myth.

Let's assume you are $14 mil under the minimum salary cap...and remain so all season long. When the season ends the league forces you to pay that $14 mil.

But who do you pay it to? Your players!

You must spend the minimum cap - you don't have to sign clowns to do it!





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This. I would have much preferred us still having the extra cap space this offseason after the expiration of a 1 year rental than Smith.

Plus you could have just gone after a guy like Korver or kept Middleton instead. We'd be a significantly better offensive team spacing/ball movement-wise and saved a boat load of cash.

[Invictus88]

My guess is Joe signed Smith because of all the heat he was feeling from Gores. He knew it was a gamble,but he had to take it.

I've gone back and forth on whether it was a good thing. But at this point I do believe Smith is an asset who would fetch something in return or he could slide to the four should we decide to do a sign and trade with Monroe.

Joe coveted Smith for a long time so while Gores might have pushed I think the seed was already there in Dumars' mind.

[Clarity]

My guess is Joe signed Smith because of all the heat he was feeling from Gores. He knew it was a gamble,but he had to take it.

Gores pressure had a lot to do with it but Joe has been way off on talent evaluation for a while now.

In retrospect, the value isn't awful. The fit is, but I think we can still come out of it on the plus side.

Cant argue with that..

[ChainLink]

There really weren't any SF options in free agency since Iguodala decided he didnt want to come here. And since NBA rules dictate you need to spend a minimum amount of your cap space (can't just leave it unspent)

Umm, yes you can leave it unspent!

There is this line of thinking that you must spend up to the minimum salary cap...if you read up on the CBA you'll bust this myth.

Let's assume you are $14 mil under the minimum salary cap...and remain so all season long. When the season ends the league forces you to pay that $14 mil.

But who do you pay it to? Your players!

You must spend the minimum cap - you don't have to sign clowns to do it!





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Ok, I didn't know that you can leave your cap space unspent at the beginning of the season, I thought by the start of the season you needed to be at that 90% minimum of the cap. But you're saying the league is going to force Tom Gores to pay that $14 million at the end of the 2014 season anyway...so do you really think after demanding playoffs last summer Gores would have been ok with not spending it on talent and letting that money go to waste?

Like I said in my post, we could have gone the Lakers route, get a couple scrubs on low salary 1 year deals to meet salary cap rules and fill the roster...but again the owner's playoff mandate dictated that management needed to make some big moves and get real talent.

[Pharaoh]

There really weren't any SF options in free agency since Iguodala decided he didnt want to come here. And since NBA rules dictate you need to spend a minimum amount of your cap space (can't just leave it unspent)

Umm, yes you can leave it unspent!

There is this line of thinking that you must spend up to the minimum salary cap...if you read up on the CBA you'll bust this myth.

Let's assume you are $14 mil under the minimum salary cap...and remain so all season long. When the season ends the league forces you to pay that $14 mil.

But who do you pay it to? Your players!

You must spend the minimum cap - you don't have to sign clowns to do it!





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Ok, I didn't know that you can leave your cap space unspent at the beginning of the season, I thought by the start of the season you needed to be at that 90% minimum of the cap. But you're saying the league is going to force Tom Gores to pay that $14 million at the end of the 2014 season anyway...so do you really think after demanding playoffs last summer Gores would have been ok with not spending it on talent and letting that money go to waste?

Like I said in my post, we could have gone the Lakers route, get a couple scrubs on low salary 1 year deals to meet salary cap rules and fill the roster...but again the owner's playoff mandate dictated that management needed to make some big moves and get real talent.

No I don't think Gores would have been happy to give all our guys (except Smith) even portions of that $14 mil...

But isn't that part of the problem?

Gores playoff demand - not required in a public forum, especially with such a young team

Dumars inability to evaluate talent - he's obviously lost it, he's had significant cap space twice in 5 years and has struck out both times.

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