Drummond & Tom Gores are BFF's? Cause of Mo Cheeks' Fate?

[DBC10]

Dery tweeted that Cheeks lost the locker room before the season began, and they were happy he was gone. So it probably wasn't just Drummond.

Jeff Moss said a few weeks back, Smith and Cheeks would get in shouting matches and throw stuff at each other.

Are you serious? That's messed up. Smith and Bynum both expressed publicly about their disdain for Cheeks. Difference is, Bynum was benched almost permanently (see last two games) while Smith being benched would further meltdown the locker room.

[DTP]

Lets be real, benching Bynum was like the best move of the entire Cheeks era....as lengthy as it was.

[Blkbrd671]

LOL you guys


Did Drummond get Mo Fired?

No

Does Dre's opinion effect FO's decisions

idk but it certainly wouldn't suprised if they inquired to how he felt

Reports has it that Cheeks lost the lockeroom before the season even started

[Clarity]

Drummond can really do no wrong in your eyes, eh? So many times Drummond's effort has not been there this season....guess Cheeks is the blame?

Urban myth

And when he's gone up against guys his size (Hibbert, Jordan, Oden), he's not played too well. I'd say all have outplayed him in the matchups this season. But he is young, as I'm sure most of you are eagerly typing as you read this.

vs Oden he had 12 & 12 in one half including a jaw dropping block on Oden

vs DJ he had 15 & 11

He has struggled a bit vs Hibbert though. Thats about the only factual thing you said.

[Clarity]

He's been thriving under Cheeks.

No clue what team you're watching but hes thriving because of his hustle. His 13 & 13 per is all hustle points as his teammates rarely look for him. Cheeks offense was designed to feature Josh Smith heavily.

Even the un guardable P&R with Bynum/Drummond was virtually done away with.

Drummond actually overcame Cheeks garbage system.

[DTP]

Drummond can really do no wrong in your eyes, eh? So many times Drummond's effort has not been there this season....guess Cheeks is the blame?

Urban myth

And when he's gone up against guys his size (Hibbert, Jordan, Oden), he's not played too well. I'd say all have outplayed him in the matchups this season. But he is young, as I'm sure most of you are eagerly typing as you read this.

vs Oden he had 12 & 12 in one half including a jaw dropping block on Oden

vs DJ he had 15 & 11

He has struggled a bit vs Hibbert though. Thats about the only factual thing you said.

12 & 12 on Oden? Nah bro, Oden owned Drummond in that stretch but yes....he did get a block though, congrats. And Jordan didn't outplay Drummond as well?

Drummond like Monroe, has the ability to come up with numbers when it comes to rebounds but the most important ones or against guys their size, they struggle. Those 12 he had in one half against Miami or whatever, weren't against Oden and those 11 weren't against Jordan.

[Clarity]

12 & 12 on Oden? Nah bro, Oden owned Drummond in that stretch but yes....he did get a block though, congrats. And Jordan didn't outplay Drummond as well?

Drummond like Monroe, has the ability to come up with numbers when it comes to rebounds but the most important ones or against guys their size, they struggle. Those 12 he had in one half against Miami or whatever, weren't against Oden and those 11 weren't against Jordan.

Oden played 11 mins & had 4 pts & 3 rebs. Quit being silly.

Jordan had 16 & 21, Drummond had 15 & 11.

That last part is just comical.

[MotownMadness]

Drummond can really do no wrong in your eyes, eh? So many times Drummond's effort has not been there this season....guess Cheeks is the blame?

Urban myth

And when he's gone up against guys his size (Hibbert, Jordan, Oden), he's not played too well. I'd say all have outplayed him in the matchups this season. But he is young, as I'm sure most of you are eagerly typing as you read this.

vs Oden he had 12 & 12 in one half including a jaw dropping block on Oden

vs DJ he had 15 & 11

He has struggled a bit vs Hibbert though. Thats about the only factual thing you said.

12 & 12 on Oden? Nah bro, Oden owned Drummond in that stretch but yes....he did get a block though, congrats. And Jordan didn't outplay Drummond as well?

Drummond like Monroe, has the ability to come up with numbers when it comes to rebounds but the most important ones or against guys their size, they struggle. Those 12 he had in one half against Miami or whatever, weren't against Oden and those 11 weren't against Jordan.

Hibbert and Jordon like Drummond have they're big games on a nightly basis. There's a reason they avg what they do in a season, In Hibberts case hes protected the paint better then anyone this season. You can't just expect 20 year ol Drummond to completely shut them down. What's he going to do block every shot or something.

[Clarity]

Urban myth



vs Oden he had 12 & 12 in one half including a jaw dropping block on Oden

vs DJ he had 15 & 11

He has struggled a bit vs Hibbert though. Thats about the only factual thing you said.

12 & 12 on Oden? Nah bro, Oden owned Drummond in that stretch but yes....he did get a block though, congrats. And Jordan didn't outplay Drummond as well?

Drummond like Monroe, has the ability to come up with numbers when it comes to rebounds but the most important ones or against guys their size, they struggle. Those 12 he had in one half against Miami or whatever, weren't against Oden and those 11 weren't against Jordan.

Hibbert and Jordon like Drummond have they're big games on a nightly basis. There's a reason they avg what they do in a season, In Hibberts case hes protected the paint better then anyone this season. You can't just expect 20 year ol Drummond to completely shut them down. What's he going to do block every shot or something.

In their minds, yes.

The whole "Drummond doesnt play hard" thing a few of these knuckleheads created is one of the funniest things ive seen on these boards.

[hoophabit]

Quite a few of us would disagree. Unfortunately, he can sleepwalk through a double double very easily because rebounding is so effortless to him, so he gets off the hook but way too many times his brain and effort has just not been there. More so the brain part, dude is not a very smart defender at all yet. Fortunately though, you don't have to be very smart to put up huge numbers in this league....as Dwight Howard has proven.

And when he's gone up against guys his size (Hibbert, Jordan, Oden), he's not played too well. I'd say all have outplayed him in the matchups this season. But he is young, as I'm sure most of you are eagerly typing as you read this.

I grant you that Drummond gets more of a pass than most on this team, that's for sure. Let's keep some perspective however, and since young seems to have worn thin with you let's just say he lacks experience. He's only in year two after an injury shortened rookie year. He is now playing much increased minutes against front line players. Yes, some nights he has looked a little over-awed. Probably it was Howard who beat him up the worst, and Nene had a pretty good go at him too. It's some tribute to what he has shown already that these players get so up to play against him. It was obvious that Jordan was really pumped about going against him. Yup, needs to avoid biting on the pump fake, and is far from a finished project. He has had some bad games, but don't they all? In a lot of his "bad" games he's had stats that a lot of players would be glad for on most nights.

One point I'd have to take issue with is that rebounding is effortless for Drummond. He only makes it look that way. Rebounding is all about effort.

Drummond took a dumb foul against Mozgov the other night, and I was glad to see it. It seems to me that he's been getting hit and banged around quite a lot of late. I think teams are seeing if they can punk him. That little forearm shiver was a good sign in my opinion. Drummond often has failed to play with enough aggression and force in my opinion. It was good to see a little "attitude."

If Gores is concerned about how his key players feel about things, I'm not convinced that is a bad thing. I'd say Cheeks did more to get himself fired than Drummond of any other player had to do with it.

[sfballa13]

I cant believe people on our boards are saying negative things about Drummond.

He is a once in a lifetime talent and truly a special player

Drummond has only played 110 games, less than two full seasons! Not to mention he was averaging 10 less minutes in terrible rotations last season.

This year he is putting up:
13 pts (9 shots, 61% FG), 13 rbs, 2 blocks, 1 steal, 1 TO, 3 Fouls, 0.5 Assists Per Game in 33 Minutes

Not to mention he is ranked 3rd in PER for Centers behind Cousins and Brook Lopez and ranked 15th in PER for all positions.

Top three double doubles this season, Drummond ranks 2nd (with 38) behind Love and ahead of Dwight who has 33.

Best part of these stats is the guy is not even 21 YEARS OLD.

He cant even buy alcohol legally and is putting up some of the best stats in the game for a big man and people on the boards are worried about a few bad games. If our team wasnt so damn selfish and chucking 24/7 he would have around 16-19 pts a game.

[gusman]

Dery tweeted that Cheeks lost the locker room before the season began, and they were happy he was gone. So it probably wasn't just Drummond.

Jeff Moss said a few weeks back, Smith and Cheeks would get in shouting matches and throw stuff at each other.

Throw stuff at each other, lol.

Who does that? Lol


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[MotownMadness]

Dery tweeted that Cheeks lost the locker room before the season began, and they were happy he was gone. So it probably wasn't just Drummond.

Jeff Moss said a few weeks back, Smith and Cheeks would get in shouting matches and throw stuff at each other.

Throw stuff at each other, lol.

Who does that? Lol


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Read the post I quoted

[MrBigShot]

Complete speculation based on what appears to be nothing.

That said, Drummond is a high character guy & our franchise, he wants to be great. Him becoming great is our only shot at being great again.

If I was Tom Gores, id make sure Drummond had my ear whenever he needed it,my #1 goal would be to make sure hes good at all times because as ive said before, the only thing that matters on this cluster **** of a team right now is that Drummond is happy & developing.

Nothing more need be said honestly. The media is trying to make Drummond out as this Dwight-like coach killer basd on speculation. It's stupid. We have talent, and yet our record sucks. That's why Cheeks was fired.

[whitehops]

Forget the fact that Cheeks defensive scheme looked like it was designed to give up wide open 3's.

I laughed

[triplet1984]

I don't buy it. But if it were true please start talking **** about Joe the moron?

[Neon1]

Drummond was even with Gores in the Draft Room (on draft night) this year if you look at Tom Gores Instagram. On Gores Instagram you can see him showing Drummond some Draft files (they are labeled as "PISTONS DRAFT UPDATES").

Not saying that Drummond has anything to do with it, but He and Gores do seem to be abnormally close (for a player/non-resident owner).