A bunch of forwards @ Pacers

[Powder Blue]

By my count available to play are 2 guards, 7 forwards and 1 center.......Luckily the Pacers played last night

[Teens On Acid]

any hope of a winning record is pretty much gone. i've resigned myself to that. now i just watch games to see the young guys develop.

[tstrick33]

This is too hard to watch.

[pickaxe]

I guess Shaw has received a free pass.

T.C. has received a free pass.

Yes, we still technically need to await the draft to make smart moves ......but doesn't there stir some passion somewhere in the belly of these two?

We're waiting for 'Dre to buy into a system that can't be fully implemented until the right pieces are in place, and all the while losing games because we're down 2 point guards.

'Dre can play enough post to make these remaining games worthwhile. He's more than capable of making....something of these last two months.

Is Shaw afraid the younger players on the team will get the wrong message if he swallows his pride and lets Andre back in? Imho everyone: the fans, the front office, the players are all sufficiently intelligent to understand Shaw has a system to implement. We are all sufficiently intelligent to realize Andre has pride being in the league this long.

I guess we all just remain silent until draft day.

[Teens On Acid]

i don't think anyone gets a free pass. this is Shaws first year as a head coach, it's Tim's first year as a GM. It's inconceivable to expect these men to run this organisation the same as those who's run teams and organisations for 15 years of their lives. I have a major issue with the idea that these guys should be able to come in and turn this team into one on par with OKC, Miami, San Antonio and now Indiana. Really, do you expect the same savvy from Shaw at this point in his career as you do Popovich where he is at his point in his career?

give them time. be patient. i'm frustrated with the losses but the truth is we're in a major rebuilding phase.

I expect alot of retooling and tinkering with the roster for another 2 seasons before Shaw gets anything close to resembling the team that plays the way he's teaching.

[tstrick33]

I was happy that Sandy Clough called out TC and Shaw today for hiding behind the injuries as an excuse for what seems like an inevitable disastrous season.

They keep using this whole wait and see what we have and then make moves, when what we have is extremely obvious:

Even with a healthy lineup, We're a poor man's team of last year. Gallo/McGee don't automatically turn this team into Shaw's ideal system, or a top 6 team.

If you want to go by Shaw's system, you need to trade Faried and probably Ty for some half-court players. Otherwise, this team will continue to be a worse version of the team that got embarrassed by the Warriors.

[Teens On Acid]

nobody is hiding behind anything. this is VASTLY different team had we had everyone healthy. No doubt our wins wouldn't have equaled last season but there would be a very different product on the floor than what we saw today. It's delusional to think ANY coach could win against the pacers today with the team we had today.

With zero injuries this yea a fully healthy squad we probably don't see Miller chuck his hissy fit either. But of course, it's impossible to predict how it may have turned out.

What I have a huge problem with and this is something i've learned to deal with myself over the years of posting here mostly inpart to my interactions with our moderators Rebel, corona and MHZ, is that it's all good and well for us to sit here claim to know what the front office should be doing and what's best for the team etc, but it's a completely one sided idea. You can put together all the trade ideas you want, and say "well FO SHOULD be doing this", but without a minimum of 2 organisations seeing eye to eye and agreeing on a trade nothing happens. GM's will only pull the trigger if they feel they have something to gain. Obviously no other GMs feel they have anything to gain from players we've offered yet. Granted there were the reports about Miller to Sactown, but nothing has happened yet. Why? because at least one gm in that scenario doesn't feel it's the right move, for whatever reason.

I say suck it up and get ready for a long ride and quit bitching about it.

[Powder Blue]

wtf I get home from the gym and see we got smoked by 40 and that Foye was limping at some point. Glad TC got paid to "evaluate the team" again today...

[Hoop Hunter]

Tough game for you guys tonight. Hang in with Brian Shaw, I think he'll be a really good coach. Everyone loved him here in Indy.

[Teens On Acid]

Tough game for you guys tonight. Hang in with Brian Shaw, I think he'll be a really good coach. Everyone loved him here in Indy.

thanks man, we're missing our 2 primary ball handlers, so yea, definitely tough. you guys are beasting though. good luck on the rest of the season

[Powder Blue]

nobody is hiding behind anything. this is VASTLY different team had we had everyone healthy. No doubt our wins wouldn't have equaled last season but there would be a very different product on the floor than what we saw today. It's delusional to think ANY coach could win against the pacers today with the team we had today.

With zero injuries this yea a fully healthy squad we probably don't see Miller chuck his hissy fit either. But of course, it's impossible to predict how it may have turned out.

What I have a huge problem with and this is something i've learned to deal with myself over the years of posting here mostly inpart to my interactions with our moderators Rebel, corona and MHZ, is that it's all good and well for us to sit here claim to know what the front office should be doing and what's best for the team etc, but it's a completely one sided idea. You can put together all the trade ideas you want, and say "well FO SHOULD be doing this", but without a minimum of 2 organisations seeing eye to eye and agreeing on a trade nothing happens. GM's will only pull the trigger if they feel they have something to gain. Obviously no other GMs feel they have anything to gain from players we've offered yet. Granted there were the reports about Miller to Sactown, but nothing has happened yet. Why? because at least one gm in that scenario doesn't feel it's the right move, for whatever reason.

I say suck it up and get ready for a long ride and quit bitching about it.

I agree with you TOA, im not proposing any outlandish trades or anything drastic. At this point I'd just like the FO to address the one glaring obvious need of a PG, doesn't have to be a great one, just a serviceable one to ride out the year with. I'm not asking for Rondo or Kevin Love, you could toss me Fredette and I'd be content. Call it bitching if you want but I don't think wanting your NBA team to have a PG is too much to ask.

[eathb_au]

The reality is that we're a bottom 3 team without any PGs, and especially without Lawson. Not even Phil Jackson would get us wins with this roster.

My big downer is why we had this roster going into the season. TC's signings really made no sense, he burnt cap space on Hickson in our deepest position and trading away Koufos, the lack of a 3rd center really hurts right now. And then signing Robinson, which I had no problem with, but then keeping Andre Miller, what was the point of signing a rotation PG then?

I'm really worried with out front office. Everything we've built is going down the pipes.

[RRFB]

I was happy that Sandy Clough called out TC and Shaw today for hiding behind the injuries as an excuse for what seems like an inevitable disastrous season.

Sandy Clough is the biggest prick on Denver sports radio, I can't stand that guy. His opinion is always right and anyone who disagrees with him is apparently an idiot.

I agree with Teens On Acid. No coach/gm/whatever could be successful with this many injuries. Shaw has been far from perfect (which was to be expected) but if anything, he should be given some credit. Before the season started, not many people thought we were a .500 team with a healthy squad. Yet here we are, still in playoff contention with a flawed roster that's littered with injuries.

[Teens On Acid]

The reality is that we're a bottom 3 team without any PGs, and especially without Lawson. Not even Phil Jackson would get us wins with this roster.

agreed

I'm really worried with out front office. Everything we've built is going down the pipes.

i don't think there's anything to be worried about....yet. We reached the peak of a 9 year building momentum last year. This is the first big valley we've had to enter in quite a while. It seems like unfamiliar territory, but we've been here before and we'll be here again, but not until we have another peak. Be patient and support them, they're trying to do their jobs for our enjoyment.

oh, and if it's not clear by now, yes, i'm a glass half full type man.

[tstrick33]

Lol these boards are made so people can bitch about things they don't like or praise the good things. Unfortunately we're in a bad time so there are going to be a lot of posts giving opinions on what's working and what is not.

Right now it's hard to argue that our FO is doing a good job, since the Melo trade it's been all down hill. They hired Shaw for his system that fits playoff basketball. Unfortunately, our players don't fit what he wants to do, which falls on the FO.

I think it was Drew Goodman today who made the analogy that the Nuggets are trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole. That is exactly what's going on, and it's painfully obvious.

Even at full strength, this is not a physical, defensive minded team that plays into Shaw's coaching strengths.

[Teens On Acid]

Even at full strength, this is not a physical, defensive minded team that plays into Shaw's coaching strengths.

absolutely agree. i'm also patient enough to give them time to rebuild to suit.

[Powder Blue]

Even at full strength, this is not a physical, defensive minded team that plays into Shaw's coaching strengths.

absolutely agree. i'm also patient enough to give them time to rebuild to suit.

Question is how long do you sit idle while the FO sits idle. The goal is to make money, to make money you gotta put people in the seats, a team with no PG's won't put people in the seats. I'm all for getting a higher draft pick but not if it means no or one banged up PG and 40 pt losses a night.

[Teens On Acid]

Even at full strength, this is not a physical, defensive minded team that plays into Shaw's coaching strengths.

absolutely agree. i'm also patient enough to give them time to rebuild to suit.

Question is how long do you sit idle while the FO sits idle. The goal is to make money, to make money you gotta put people in the seats, a team with no PG's won't put people in the seats. I'm all for getting a higher draft pick but not if it means no or one banged up PG and 40 pt losses a night.

I sit idle forever. i'm a fan for life. i live with the downs as much as i do with the ups. nothing i do or say has any effect on how this team is run.

[josh_nuggets]

Missed game cause of school. 9/10 times I would watch the replay but is it Worth watching replay for this game?

[Teens On Acid]

Missed game cause of school. 9/10 times I would watch the replay but is it Worth watching replay for this game?

come on man, of course you should watch it. how else are you going to form a decent opinion on our players and see how they play against one of the finest teams in the NBA, see what we should be looking up to.

There are PLENTY of fine points to note about our team, it's hard to focus on them because of our record and how they have played with a ROOKIE coach trying to utilise a team that is half dismantled from last year.

We have all seen glimpses of how good this team could be, give them time for **** sake.