Pistons Won't Trade Monroe (Unless in Blockbuster)

Natopher · Post #1 » by **Natopher** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:28 pm

This is amazing news!

The problem, as the Pistons knew last fall, is that Monroe’s agent is David Falk. He has gotten the price he said he’d get for his clients for two decades — and he says the price for Monroe will be a max contract.

Yet the Pistons aren’t going to move Monroe unless it’s a blockbuster deal. Offering just expiring contracts won’t get it done. The hope in Detroit is that Monroe’s situation is resolved in similar fashion to how Oklahoma City eventually worked out a four-year, $49 million contract with Serge Ibaka before he hit free agency. (The Thunder had the obvious advantage of having Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook as lures to play with through the meat of Ibaka’s career.)

If Falk finds a team ready to give Monroe the max or something close to it, expect Detroit to match the offer sheet and worry about the money later.

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2014/02/pistons-reportedly-want-huge-return-to-trade-greg-monroe/

Notanoob · Post #2 » by **Notanoob** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:59 pm

This is good to hear no matter if you want to move him or not. If you do, this drives up his trade value because he won't be available in FA, since we'll match it. If you don't, this means that it seems like the Pistons want to keep him. Either way, if he does get traded, we'll actually get real value for him. Great news.

Neptune · Post #3 » by **Neptune** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:03 pm

Good article, but Monroe won't get the max.

menten · Post #4 » by **menten** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:39 pm

max contract for a 14 and 8 roleplayer with the worst defense in the league

tayshaun one year averaged 14 and 6 while playing lockdown defense, was he a max player..?

engelbert321 · Post #5 » by **engelbert321** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:56 pm

I don't see how this is good news for us. No is going to give up a lot for Monroe. We're screwed if we pay him the max.

sc8581 · Post #6 » by **sc8581** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:06 pm

Means nothing at all

E-Z · Post #7 » by **E-Z** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:09 pm

menten wrote:max contract for a 14 and 8 roleplayer with the worst defense in the league

tayshaun one year averaged 14 and 6 while playing lockdown defense, was he a max player..?

What kind of fallacy is being used here? Straw man? Weak analogy?

engelbert321 wrote:I don't see how this is good news for us. No is going to give up a lot for Monroe. We're screwed if we pay him the max.

If another team offers Monroe the max, what makes you to believe that he would be untradable (barring a decline in performance or injury)?

I'd be pretty disappointed if Detroit lets Monroe walk, considering his age. I'd also be disappointed if he didn't develop any form of P&R defense or a reliable jump-shot over the length of his new contract - if Detroit matches.

haulerch · Post #8 » by **haulerch** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:10 pm

I'm ok with keeping all three. I don't think the right deal is out there to trade Monroe, but I also don't want to see the Pistons have to match a max contract that is a poison pill.

All in all, I think we have the big 3 intact for the foreseeable future. Hopefully we can get a 3 man rotation for 2 spots. Hopefully we can add a very good small forward before Moose signs that big deal.

DetroitSho · Post #9 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:12 pm

haulerch wrote:I'm ok with keeping all three. I don't think the right deal is out there to trade Monroe, but I also don't want to see the Pistons have to match a max contract that is a poison pill.

All in all, I think we have the big 3 intact for the foreseeable future. Hopefully we can get a 3 man rotation for 2 spots. Hopefully we can add a very good small forward before Moose signs that big deal.

Poison pill? Please explain your use of this term in your post. Because I don't see how it applies.

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engelbert321 · Post #10 » by **engelbert321** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:24 pm

I'll just say any contract higher than 12mil/year for Monroe is overpay

Post #11 » by **dVs33** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:28 pm

MrBigShot · Post #12 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 7:58 pm

This is a good thing. We should not be willing to trade Monroe simply for the sake of trading him. As far as I'm concerned, there are two guys on this team who are completely off limits: Andre Drummond (obviously) and Chauncey (he would never forgive Joe for trading him AGAIN...plus the FO promise if true). The rest of the guys are all on the table if they are involved in a trade that would improve the team. Monroe included.

But, that doesn't mean our FO should be calling up every other FO trying to deal Monroe. If a deal that you can't pass up comes up, you take it. Otherwise, resign him. Far better than trading him for chump change, even if he isn't worth the 25% max that he can potentially make (which he isn't...)

DetroitSho · Post #13 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:03 pm

MrBigShot wrote:This is a good thing. We should not be willing to trade Monroe simply for the sake of trading him. As far as I'm concerned, there are two guys on this team who are completely off limits: Andre Drummond (obviously) and Chauncey (he would never forgive Joe for trading him AGAIN...plus the FO promise if true). The rest of the guys are all on the table if they are involved in a trade that would improve the team. Monroe included.

But, that doesn't mean our FO should be calling up every other FO trying to deal Monroe. If a deal that you can't pass up comes up, you take it. Otherwise, resign him. Far better than trading him for chump change, even if he isn't worth the 25% max that he can potentially make (which he isn't...)

So because RealGMers sit at a computer and type that he's not worth $14.5 million, that makes him not worth it? If several teams are willing to offer it, he signs an offer sheet and we match it, how does that make him not worth it? You're worth what someone is willing to pay, especially if several someones are willing.

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Clarity · Post #14 » by **Clarity** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:05 pm

Like i've said all year, you dont trade or let go of a 23 year old near All Star 7 footer with his offensive skill set.

That's the definition of idiocy.

Clarity · Post #15 » by **Clarity** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:06 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
MrBigShot wrote:This is a good thing. We should not be willing to trade Monroe simply for the sake of trading him. As far as I'm concerned, there are two guys on this team who are completely off limits: Andre Drummond (obviously) and Chauncey (he would never forgive Joe for trading him AGAIN...plus the FO promise if true). The rest of the guys are all on the table if they are involved in a trade that would improve the team. Monroe included.

But, that doesn't mean our FO should be calling up every other FO trying to deal Monroe. If a deal that you can't pass up comes up, you take it. Otherwise, resign him. Far better than trading him for chump change, even if he isn't worth the 25% max that he can potentially make (which he isn't...)

So because RealGMers sit at a computer and type that he's not worth $14.5 million, that makes him not worth it? If several teams are willing to offer it, he signs an offer sheet and we match it, how does that make him not worth it? You're worth what someone is willing to pay, especially if several someones are willing.

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Great post, so many struggle with the fact that the market sets your value.

haulerch · Post #16 » by **haulerch** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:27 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
haulerch wrote:I'm ok with keeping all three. I don't think the right deal is out there to trade Monroe, but I also don't want to see the Pistons have to match a max contract that is a poison pill.

All in all, I think we have the big 3 intact for the foreseeable future. Hopefully we can get a 3 man rotation for 2 spots. Hopefully we can add a very good small forward before Moose signs that big deal.

Poison pill? Please explain your use of this term in your post. Because I don't see how it applies.

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Having no choice but to pay Monroe a near max-max contract because some other teams offers him that deal in order for the Pistons to have no choice but to match. That type of contract plus Smith's two guys who haven't proved they can play the 4 and 3 respectively can turn into cap hell.

Q00 · Post #17 » by **Q00** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:35 pm

sc8581 wrote:Means nothing at all

None of these reports should be taken as truth at this time of year. Even if it was true though, he's still saying the Pistons could trade him, he's just saying they aren't going to trade him for role players, which was pretty much already obvious.

Its interesting though to hear an actual price that they would like to resign him for, but for all we know that could just be a sneaky way for the Pistons to make potential trade suitors think they could get him to resign with them for that price. In other words, the less Monroe will cost to resign, the more valuable he becomes to the Pistons in trades. Monroe at 12 mil/yr is a big trade asset because almost every team would be interested in trading for him at that price, but Monroe at 15 mil/yr... suddenly the amount of teams interested becomes much less.

If the Pistons can convince teams that he can be resigned for 12 mil/yr, it increases their trade options right now.

haulerch · Post #18 » by **haulerch** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:40 pm

I guess another way I look at a poison pill contract is Eric Gordon. A very good player with a burdensome contract that killed his value.. To me, that will be Monroe if he gets te max.

Restricted free agency is the definition of a poison pill.

haulerch · Post #19 » by **haulerch** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:42 pm

Q00 wrote:
sc8581 wrote:Means nothing at all

None of these reports should be taken as truth at this time of year. Even if it was true though, he's still saying the Pistons could trade him, he's just saying they aren't going to trade him for role players, which was pretty much already obvious.

Its interesting though to hear an actual price that they would like to resign him for, but for all we know that could just be a sneaky way for the Pistons to make potential trade suitors think they could get him to resign with them for that price. In other words, the less Monroe will cost to resign, the more valuable he becomes to the Pistons in trades. Monroe at 12 mil/yr is a big trade asset because almost every team would be interested in trading for him at that price, but Monroe at 15 mil/yr... suddenly the amount of teams interested becomes much less.

If the Pistons can convince teams that he can be resigned for 12 mil/yr, it increases their trade options right now.

Good post.

sfballa13 · Post #20 » by **sfballa13** » Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:49 pm

Everything has to be put in perspective.

Monroe is worth 12M to 13M max.

Let's say he gets 16M that is still worth it why?

Because we just paid Chauncey, Bynum, and Datome 7M this offseason
Because we are paying Jerebko 4.5M this season and next
Because we are paying 16M to Charlie V and Stuckey

An extra 3-6M isnt going to break the bank all we have to make sure is we dont sign bench trash

People truly dont realize that Dumars biggest mistakes are not BG, Charlie V, and Josh Smith but instead signing **** bench players that suck and never touch the floor