Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[bkknicks19]

1st trade

Asik/Lin/Ronny Brewer

for Tyson/Shump/Beno

Rockets not doin that. What do they need Tyson for? If they can't play asik next to Dwight, you damn sure can't play Tyson next to him and he's not a back up right now..

[riter]

1st trade

Asik/Lin/Ronny Brewer

for Tyson/Shump/Beno

Rockets not doin that. What do they need Tyson for? If they can't play asik next to Dwight, you damn sure can't play Tyson next to him and he's not a back up right now..

been there done that

[bkknicks19]

3 way trade

Knicks out: Chandler, Shump, Murrey, 2018 first
Suns out: Okafor, 2014 first
Tor out: Lowry, Fields, Salmons

Knicks In: Lowry, Fields, Salmons, 2014 first
Suns In: Chandler
Tor In: Shumpert, Okafor, Murrey, 2018 first

Toronto saves around 14 million.
Knicks keep 2015 plan alive.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=muxujng

No to this trade because it involves Lowry becoming a knick with us trading valuable assets. Not happening. It's not a smart basketball move.

[Rasho Brezec]

I'm reviving this idea:

Tyson + Shumpert + Aldrich for Perkins + Sefolosha + Adams + Thabeet + Roberson

Under this scenario, OKC can replace three pieces of their rotation with an upgrade at the starting C position and only add $29,714 to their payroll, keeping them clear of luxury tax. We solve our C position long term and add a cheap wing prospect.

[bkknicks19]

I'm reviving this idea:

Tyson + Shumpert + Aldrich for Perkins + Sefolosha + Adams + Thabeet + Roberson

Under this scenario, OKC can replace three pieces of their rotation with an upgrade at the starting C position and only add $29,714 to their payroll, keeping them clear of luxury tax. We solve our C position long term and add a cheap wing prospect.

whose our longterm C?

[Rasho Brezec]

The beast that doesn't flinch when he gets elbowed.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Asik and Lin expire after next year, also...

I think Tyson will complain. He's a well respected veteran in the league who has won a championship being the defensive anchor. He then signs with a team he believes is on the upswing only to be traded to a second tier championship team that is still a decent bit away from being true contenders and doesn't start for them? Yeah, he's not going to be okay with that.

1)http://www.sbnation.com/2014/2/11/5400700/chandler-parsons-rockets-conundrum-nba-free-agency

2)that's just what you think Tyson would think. Doesn't make it so. I happen to think otherwise of what he would think about getting traded from "a team he believes in on the upswing"

1) Ok? You said that Asik and Lin expire after next season...well...so does Tyson. I don't get why you brought this up if the contracts all end at the same time.

2) Ok. Cool. I still don't see a player like Tyson willing to play backup on a team that is NOT a contender.

[Dbloc123]

knicks get rondo,gwallace
Suns get tyson,shump
Bost get Okafor expiring,felton suns 2014 late first knicks 1st 2018

[K_ick_God]

If you did a Melo for Lin/Asik deal I also think you'd see a fast jump in Shumpert's progress and energy level.

kg, regardless of what you think of him, that's not enough for melo.

I think Melo is a very good player, though not $25M good, and I was referring to a previous trade I suggested earlier. Lin, Asik, one young player and two or three picks.

[jwise44]

Asik and Lin expire after next year, also...

I think Tyson will complain. He's a well respected veteran in the league who has won a championship being the defensive anchor. He then signs with a team he believes is on the upswing only to be traded to a second tier championship team that is still a decent bit away from being true contenders and doesn't start for them? Yeah, he's not going to be okay with that.

1)http://www.sbnation.com/2014/2/11/5400700/chandler-parsons-rockets-conundrum-nba-free-agency

2)that's just what you think Tyson would think. Doesn't make it so. I happen to think otherwise of what he would think about getting traded from "a team he believes in on the upswing"

1) Ok? You said that Asik and Lin expire after next season...well...so does Tyson. I don't get why you brought this up if the contracts all end at the same time.

2) Ok. Cool. I still don't see a player like Tyson willing to play backup on a team that is NOT a contender.

I really don't see Knicks and rockets making a deal

I don't see us trading Lin either he has been playing well for us

I also don't see Dolan admitting he made a mistake even if we did wana trade lin

And I agree with everyone else. Tyson may be a good locker room guy but I don't see him not getting upset with so few minutes...he is gonna want another contract after 2015 so he'll want playing time


I just don't see our 2 teams trading

[riter]

1) Ok? You said that Asik and Lin expire after next season...well...so does Tyson. I don't get why you brought this up if the contracts all end at the same time.

brought it up b/c it's not the length but the $amount that matters in resigning Parsons while keeping under the tax. our package is about 2million less than Asik/Lin. so if someone offers 4/$48 for Parsons, in 2014-2015 with our Package houston will have more wiggle room to match without going over the tax. I use that figure b/c I'm guessing that's the high end offer.
Only reason rumors are coming up now as opposed to later is b/c of Asik and his agent.

[NBA Fan 1234]

1) Ok? You said that Asik and Lin expire after next season...well...so does Tyson. I don't get why you brought this up if the contracts all end at the same time.

brought it up b/c it's not the length but the $amount that matters in resigning Parsons while keeping under the tax. our package is about 2million less than Asik/Lin. so if someone offers 4/$48 for Parsons, in 2014-2015 with our Package houston will have more wiggle room to match without going over the tax. I use that figure b/c I'm guessing that's the high end offer.
Only reason rumors are coming up now as opposed to later is b/c of Asik and his agent.

? Nobody can offer Parsons a contract next season besides the Rockets. They can also go over the cap to re-sign him. As for the tax -- the contract will expire and Chandler's new contract will begin at the same exact time Chandler/Lin/Asik's contract all expire...Parsons gets his salary for next season, next season. Then the extension kicks in -- which will be AFTER Chandler, Lin, and Asik are all off the books.

There is no legitimate Lin / Asik to NY rumor. They are all bogus and made up.

[don't panac]

Felton.

And Woodson.

[riter]

There is no legitimate Lin / Asik to NY rumor. They are all bogus and made up.

Not basing this on any legitimate or illegitimate rumor.
I also think that the Knicks are looking at longer, bad contracts to try to keep Melo--not necessarily based on rumors.

this is just one trade in which the Knicks can--match contracts and not mess up their 2015 plans for a C and Pg that is worth trading for b/c one of the players is disgruntled.
One of the few trades for worthwhile parts that is in the realm of possibility--b/c if it was slam dunk for either side--they would be doing it in real life.

[jwise44]

1) Ok? You said that Asik and Lin expire after next season...well...so does Tyson. I don't get why you brought this up if the contracts all end at the same time.

brought it up b/c it's not the length but the $amount that matters in resigning Parsons while keeping under the tax. our package is about 2million less than Asik/Lin. so if someone offers 4/$48 for Parsons, in 2014-2015 with our Package houston will have more wiggle room to match without going over the tax. I use that figure b/c I'm guessing that's the high end offer.
Only reason rumors are coming up now as opposed to later is b/c of Asik and his agent.

Apparently the plan is to sign a big time free agent in 2015 and then go over the cap resigning parsons

[claymobile92]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/poten ... elo-trade/

So let me start by saying I'm not in favor of trading Melo but this is an interesting piece by Tommy Beer on hypothetical Melo trades. I personally think the only one that makes reasonable sense and I would consider doing is the PHX trade.

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton and $2 million in cash
Suns send: Emeka Okafor, Goran Dragic, 2014 first-round draft pick, and a 2015 first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, Raymond Felton and J.R. Smith
Grizzlies send: Zach Randolph, Tayshaun Prince, Ed Davis, Kosta Koufos and a future first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith and Cole Aldrich
Dallas sends: Shawn Marion, Shane Larkin, Brandan Wright, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Ricky Ledo and two future first-round picks

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, Beno Udrih, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich
Wizards send: Marcin Gortat, Otto Porter Jr., Trevor Ariza, Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton, 2014 second-round pick and 2016 first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin
Celtics send: Kris Humphries, Brandon Bass, Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger and a 2014 first-round pick

What are your guys thoughts...would you enterain any of these deals for Melo? I personally feel most of these deals are pretty crappy.

[riter]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/potential-trading-partners-for-knicks-in-a-carmelo-trade/

So let me start by saying I'm not in favor of trading Melo but this is an interesting piece by Tommy Beer on hypothetical Melo trades. I personally think the only one that makes reasonable sense and I would consider doing is the PHX trade.

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton and $2 million in cash
Suns send: Emeka Okafor, Goran Dragic, 2014 first-round draft pick, and a 2015 first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, Raymond Felton and J.R. Smith
Grizzlies send: Zach Randolph, Tayshaun Prince, Ed Davis, Kosta Koufos and a future first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith and Cole Aldrich
Dallas sends: Shawn Marion, Shane Larkin, Brandan Wright, Samuel Dalembert, Wayne Ellington, Ricky Ledo and two future first-round picks

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony, Beno Udrih, Kenyon Martin and Cole Aldrich
Wizards send: Marcin Gortat, Otto Porter Jr., Trevor Ariza, Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton, 2014 second-round pick and 2016 first-round pick

Knicks send: Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin
Celtics send: Kris Humphries, Brandon Bass, Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger and a 2014 first-round pick

What are your guys thoughts...would you enterain any of these deals for Melo? I personally feel most of these deals are pretty crappy.

if the Knicks know Melo is leaving, then the knicks take whatever trade has an unprotected 1st round pick for this year or next.

[NBA Fan 1234]

There is no legitimate Lin / Asik to NY rumor. They are all bogus and made up.

Not basing this on any legitimate or illegitimate rumor.
I also think that the Knicks are looking at longer, bad contracts to try to keep Melo--not necessarily based on rumors.

this is just one trade in which the Knicks can--match contracts and not mess up their 2015 plans for a C and Pg that is worth trading for b/c one of the players is disgruntled.
One of the few trades for worthwhile parts that is in the realm of possibility--b/c if it was slam dunk for either side--they would be doing it in real life.

But the Rockets have no need to make that trade...

As for slam dunk trades being done in reality - most trades that make sense for both sides never come to fruition.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I remember why I hate posting in this thread.

[riter]

But the Rockets have no need to make that trade...

As for slam dunk trades being done in reality - most trades that make sense for both sides never come to fruition.

except that Asik doesn't want to be there.
---and some trades that people think are terrible or unlikely do happen in real life.