Raymond Felton seen yawning during Knicks

[Never Wrong]

5 TOs with only 5 assists is not typical of Lin's performance this year. Check the stats. I'm not saying that he's not TO prone, but c'mon. We'd be much better off with Lin here instead of Felton.

to be onset, we'd be much better off with anyone -or no one- here instead of Felton

Dont waste your time arguing with a troll.

Oh look a Jeremy Lin fan that posts on the NEW YORK KNICKS board (a team he doesn't play for), but I'm the troll?

[cgmw]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

[GONYK]

if they had extended him right away, which was the obvious move, he wouldn't ever had the houston offer. even after the houston offer, if knicks had matched, i don't think they would have signed felton, but someone else in his place with the same money, likely a SG or SF.
the plan was for kidd/prigioni to tutor lin

Not to get into this, but why would Lin have taken the Knick deal without even hearing offers from other teams?

That makes no sense for him, and no agent would have allowed that to happen.

point taken.
but they should have at least tried.

Perhaps. They should have just matched him though, since it affected nothing else we did.

I think Felton was the better fit last year and had a very comparable season. We still needed a change of pace guard though. This year we need a starter. I'm not sure that is definitely Lin, but I'm very sure it is definitely not Felton.

[GONYK]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

I don't think picking up Felton at the price we got him for was a bad move. It's a move that could have happened anyway though. Our PG rotation would have been extremely solid.

Chemistry might have become an issue though.

[Never Wrong]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

We got Felton for pretty much nothing. That's why it's hard for me to even complain about him. And a lot of his problems are due to injury/conditioning not necessarily lack of ability like our last PG.

[don't panac]

Not to get into this, but why would Lin have taken the Knick deal without even hearing offers from other teams?

That makes no sense for him, and no agent would have allowed that to happen.

point taken.
but they should have at least tried.

Perhaps. They should have just matched him though, since it affected nothing else we did.

I think Felton was the better fit last year and had a very comparable season. We still needed a change of pace guard though. This year we need a starter. I'm not sure that is definitely Lin, but I'm very sure it is definitely not Felton.

agreed.

but i don't think they would have signed felton if lin was onboard. they already had kidd and prigs.
felton's money would have been better spent at SG

[frogfood]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

We got Felton for pretty much nothing. That's why it's hard for me to even complain about him. And a lot of his problems are due to injury/conditioning not necessarily lack of ability like our last PG.

What does that have to do with anything? We got Chris Smith for pretty much nothing and they both suck balls.

Renowned out of shape player struggling with injuries and conditioning? Shocker.

What a joke.

[GONYK]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

We got Felton for pretty much nothing. That's why it's hard for me to even complain about him. And a lot of his problems are due to injury/conditioning not necessarily lack of ability like our last PG.

There is plenty of lack of ability when it comes to Ray.

[GONYK]

point taken.
but they should have at least tried.

Perhaps. They should have just matched him though, since it affected nothing else we did.

I think Felton was the better fit last year and had a very comparable season. We still needed a change of pace guard though. This year we need a starter. I'm not sure that is definitely Lin, but I'm very sure it is definitely not Felton.

agreed.

but i don't think they would have signed felton if lin was onboard. they already had kidd and prigs.
felton's money would have been better spent at SG

I'm not sure we are getting a difference maker at SG for the price we paid for Felton.

I think with a guard rotation of Felton/Kidd/Prigs/Lin, we would have had enough options to compensate. Especially since we also had Shump and JR.

[don't panac]

i think lin/kidd/prigioni/felton would have created problems.
logic would dictate that felton would never see any play time as he was easily the worst of the four (especially in a context of developing Lin), but more likely would have meant that prigs would have never played and left at the end of the year.

[Mr_Perfect]

The real question is who ELSE could the Knicks have received using the assets spent to acquire Felton?

Actually the real question is has the Dolan regime ever made a good basketball decision?

We got Felton for pretty much nothing. That's why it's hard for me to even complain about him. And a lot of his problems are due to injury/conditioning not necessarily lack of ability like our last PG.

2nd round picks + Kostas Papanikolaou > Felton

[GONYK]

i think lin/kidd/prigioni/felton would have created problems.
logic would dictate that felton would never see any play time as he was easily the worst of the four (especially in a context of developing Lin), but more likely would have meant that prigs would have never played and left at the end of the year.

Eh, I'd rather have an issue of too much talent than not enough.

Even if we needed to move Ray down the line, we could have broken even on him easily.

That being said, I think Ray would have probably come out of camp the starter, based on Woodson's philosophy as well as Lin being perfectly average last season. I think Lin would have held down the bench lineup with Prigs and JR playing SF.

[HarthorneWingo]

Beno should've seen some court time last night. There, I said it.

[postcall]

to be onset, we'd be much better off with anyone -or no one- here instead of Felton

Dont waste your time arguing with a troll.

Oh look a Jeremy Lin fan that posts on the NEW YORK KNICKS board (a team he doesn't play for), but I'm the troll?

[BrOnXKing1]

The whole luxury tax argument is a bunch of bs....we have the most money in the nba. We had the highest payroll for years with garbage players like Weatherspoon, Howard Easily, Shandon Anderson, and Houston in his injury years, and Dolan was still willing to add salary to bring a star like he did with Marbury/Hardaway/Francis.

And Lin would of likely offset his whole salary by his marketing potential in the city. Every single one of my asian friends were watching knicks games during lin era, and some didn't even like basketball lol. The decision was not ONLY a bad basketball decision, but also a bad business decision.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Well not really. It's a talent level. Once you start losing and can't break through, you start giving up.

Felton wants to succeed and do well. He tries hard. At least he used to. Now he realizes he's not a good player anymore.

don't know if he used to try hard, but he certainly does not seem to be doing it now.
and i doubt he realizes he is as bad as he is. he appears very delusional regarding himself.

Oh I definitely think Felton plays hard and pretty much still plays hard. Give most players sub-par NBA skills and they will start getting discouraged.

I never really bought the "Michael Jordan / Kobe Bryant just want to win so badly" -- of course competitiveness helps and with guys like JR, his lack of competitiveness is a huge problem. But put MJ or Kobe in Felton's body and they'd be yawning too, after playing 50 games of bad basketball.

Talent first, mental approach second.

Jordan/Kobe competitiveness and mentality in Felton's body wouldnt end up with Felton's body. Jordan/Kobe have never been out of shape and has always worked to improve their games over the years. In fact, as they began to lose they athleticism, they adapted their play to continue their success. They never came into training camp fat with the idea that theyd work themselves into shape by the season. They worked on their mind, body and game year round.

Felton attended a premiere college basketball program and was the 5th pick of the draft. He was not void of talent.

[Nostrand Ave]

Knicks would still suck with Lin though.

[NewEra]

I don't like Felton on this team, but he yawned. This is quite normal. My only issue is that he didn't cover his mouth. He was tired. hahahaha

If you're focused and invigorated, as he should have been, I find it implausible for one to yawn. His disinterested body language in that gif says it all.

Maybe someone else in the garden yawned. it's contagious ya know.

Really it is and that bugs me out

[K_ick_God]

Knicks would still suck with Lin though.

Nope. With good point guard play, the team is over .500 at a minimum.

[spikeslovechild]

What do you want from the dude? You'd be tired too throwing up a ton of bricks every game.