Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread - Part Deux

[Lord Commander]

haven't paid that much attention to Tyreke since his rookie season. Is he that much of an upgrade who just needs a chance?

He has an elite handle and finishing ability around the rim. he can also really pass, but no one is willing to give him a starting pg position b/c I don't think he's good enough.
he can't shoot to save his mother's life, so he's hasn't been able to hold down a starting shooting guard role.
He got paid b/c of his positive attributes and is grossly overpaid b/c of his negaative attributes.

there is an outside chance he might work with Melo--but that contract is too big of a risk.

That's what I figured. I don't recall him being much of a shooter. Guess that's why he gets no run and is available.

[Meat]

My money is that Mills will acquire at least one of these players before the deadline and call it a win. So...pick your poison boys.

I really wouldnt mind Josh Smith. Wanted him earlier in the season.

Josh Smith is playing out of position in DET. Play him at PF and his numbers will resemble his stats he put up in ATL. I doubt we get him but a Bargnani +Shump or Tim Hardaway and maybe a 2018 protected 1st is probably what we would offer.

J-Smoove can be what Shawn Marion was for the 2011 Mavs. I also would like to believe if he was moved back to PF he woul stop taking 3s. Good defender and passer for a man his size. If we get him, all we would need is a PG that can defend, attack the rim effectively every once in a while and hit the 3 at an above average clip.

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you want to give up a pick, an asset and shorter contract for someone Detroit is desperate to unload?

[Lord Commander]

My money is that Mills will acquire at least one of these players before the deadline and call it a win. So...pick your poison boys.

Id stay away from Smith
Gordon is the best player in that mix but his health is suspect, and thats all we need
Evans is intriguing but hes been such a disappointment
I dont think Sanders goes anywhere
Id be shocked to see McGee get traded but hed be my top pick depending on what it costs. Tyson for McGee Id do, again if hes not broken

Yeah...gimme Gordan and McGee

[Nutty Nats Fan]

I really wouldnt mind Josh Smith. Wanted him earlier in the season.

Josh Smith is playing out of position in DET. Play him at PF and his numbers will resemble his stats he put up in ATL. I doubt we get him but a Bargnani +Shump or Tim Hardaway and maybe a 2018 protected 1st is probably what we would offer.

J-Smoove can be what Shawn Marion was for the 2011 Mavs. I also would like to believe if he was moved back to PF he woul stop taking 3s. Good defender and passer for a man his size. If we get him, all we would need is a PG that can defend, attack the rim effectively every once in a while and hit the 3 at an above average clip.

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you want to give up a pick, an asset and shorter contract for someone Detroit is desperate to unload?

Don't mind him, he is just trying to get a job in NY's front office.

[Rasho Brezec]

1) Bargnani + Felton + cokehead for Gordon + Evans

2) Amare to Pistons
Shumpert + Tony Mitchell to Bucks
Will Bynum + Josh Smith + Sanders to Knicks

Bynum / Gordon / Melo / Smith / Sanders

We might not be good, but at least we'd have something to laugh at.

[moocow007]

1) Bargnani + Felton + cokehead for Gordon + Evans

2) Amare to Pistons
Shumpert + Tony Mitchell to Bucks
Will Bynum + Josh Smith + Sanders to Knicks

Bynum / Gordon / Melo / Smith / Sanders

We might not be good, but at least we'd have something to laugh at.

I go this way, you go that way...and here's where we all run into each other in the middle?

[Marty McFly]

My money is that Mills will acquire at least one of these players before the deadline and call it a win. So...pick your poison boys.



Id stay away from Smith
Gordon is the best player in that mix but his health is suspect, and thats all we need
Evans is intriguing but hes been such a disappointment
I dont think Sanders goes anywhere
Id be shocked to see McGee get traded but hed be my top pick depending on what it costs. Tyson for McGee Id do, again if hes not broken

Yeah...gimme Gordan and McGee

for what else? they're both injury prone with gordon making 15 mill and mcgee making 10 mill a year for the next three years.

[xNewYorkMadex]

My money is that Mills will acquire at least one of these players before the deadline and call it a win. So...pick your poison boys.

I really wouldnt mind Josh Smith. Wanted him earlier in the season.

Josh Smith is playing out of position in DET. Play him at PF and his numbers will resemble his stats he put up in ATL. I doubt we get him but a Bargnani +Shump or Tim Hardaway and maybe a 2018 protected 1st is probably what we would offer.

J-Smoove can be what Shawn Marion was for the 2011 Mavs. I also would like to believe if he was moved back to PF he woul stop taking 3s. Good defender and passer for a man his size. If we get him, all we would need is a PG that can defend, attack the rim effectively every once in a while and hit the 3 at an above average clip.

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you want to give up a pick, an asset and shorter contract for someone Detroit is desperate to unload?

I was stating if we were to make an offer for Josh Smith thats the deal I'd imagine we would offer.

Thats a type of offer Dolan and co. would exactly do. Right or wrong?

[Johnny Hoops]

I would consider moving Stat/Shump for J-Smith/R-Stuckey or something like BARGS/Felton for J-Smith.

Smith improves our athletiscm our team length, defense, rebounding and shot blocking.

Ok - he also lowers our team IQ and coachibility but I find him a fun player to watch.

[NoLayupRule]

I would consider moving Stat/Shump for J-Smith/R-Stuckey or something like BARGS/Felton for J-Smith.

Smith improves our athletiscm our team length, defense, rebounding and shot blocking.

Ok - he also lowers our team IQ and coachibility but I find him a fun player to watch.

hes a big risk
that low IQ and coachability is big

what ran him out of Det so quickly?

[riter]

I would consider moving Stat/Shump for J-Smith/R-Stuckey or something like BARGS/Felton for J-Smith.

Smith improves our athletiscm our team length, defense, rebounding and shot blocking.

Ok - he also lowers our team IQ and coachibility but I find him a fun player to watch.

hes a big risk
that low IQ and coachability is big

what ran him out of Det so quickly?

Dang I was actually going to make a thread titled, "The Mystery of Josh Smith"

It was going to be about his offensive lowlights and as well as dispelling any myths about him as well. I guess I'll do it here, if you want, you can also quote my post and paste it onto the first post too.

Myth 1: "If Josh moves to his natural position at the 4, he'll chuck significantly less and play more near the basket."
Answer: False: - Courtesy of reddit via DetroitBadBoys
That's from this season and commenters regarding that picture had this to say as well.

He needs adderal. -redditor

he needs a shock collar for every time he shoots a three

He would die of complete electrocution.

Myth 2: "Even though he's 28, he can change into more of a traditional PF and you can teach an old dog new tricks."
Answer: False:
He played his natural position all of last year and ended that year by shooting 17% over his given shot attempts at the 3 point line, 47% of the time at shooting the midrange and 36% of the time, he took it to the rim. So no, he will still chuck off a significant amount of his shot selection at either midrange or the 3 ball.

Conclusion: He's not going to stop shooting and contributing to his historic lows in FG%. If you have a bigman that's willing to shoot with this much frequency and with miserable success rate, he's going to shoot you out of games or at the very least it'll be a roller coaster whenever he plays. I'll end with this:



Also more on that here: http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2014/1/16 ... h-sf-vs-pf[/quote

[NoLayupRule]

so they got exactly what he always has been and they were shocked?
Pretty soon someone is gonna realize that Jennings is a chucker who doesnt play D

Yeah, Smith is far too stupid and selfish to play here

it'd be a disaster

so itll probably happen

[Johnny Hoops]

not sure I care what Smith's shot stats say ---- he basically moved to the 3 in Detroit --- given the other 2 bigs on Detroits front line I would expect Smith to shoot more outside shots.

He was more of a 4 in ATL.

Not sure I get hung up on his shooting % -- Melo is Mr Inefficient and Melo does't pass, rebound, defend or block shots like J=Smith. What are Melo's and J-Smiths career playoff records? Not sure but in my opinion Melo has had more talent around him than Smith --- thru out his career.

Everyone with a brain could see the Smith fit in Detroit wouldn't be good because you've got 3 BIGS who are all questionable shooters.

Josh Smith at $14M better for me than Melo at $25M

[Rasho Brezec]

OKC is looking for a shooter, we should offer them cokehead, Shumpert and Aldrich for Sefolosha, Adams and Thabeet, so Presti can start the day with a good laugh.

[Fat]

Shump for perry jones

[[GR]]

Nash helps this year, and keeps 2015 in play

[Pharmcat]

get deng from cle....bargs, shump, pick
get lowry from tor for thjr package

wake up mills!

[Meat]

trade for deng
trade tyson for steve adams

in 2 years

adams
melo
deng
thj?
free agent pg

that's not a bad team when you consider that 2 of our starters would be on rookie contracts we might have money for a non garbage bench

[dakomish]

Looks like a lot of folks are on board with Deng. That means we won't make that move. It's just too realistic and fills such an obvious need while removing redundant players.

[dakomish]

i like the idea of robbing another GM for a buy low candidate. Lord knows we always overpay - Bargs / Felton / Camby and the list is infinite.

A good move that I think we should really consider is taking DWill off of BKN's hands:

Bargs / Felton for DWill.

I know this guy is injury prone, but I have to believe he's still way better than the crap he's putting out there now. This guy was a top 25 player just last year. I think a change of scenery would do wonders for him.