Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[mohammed10]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... y-Contract

Looks like Ernie's trash is good enough for the Spurs to offer another 10-day contract...

[closg00]

Alexis Ajinca, @ $635,000 is another value pick-up and example of FO taking a look at former lottery picks a few years removed. Ajinca started against the Bucks weak front court, but he looks serviceable, and the price is right.
http://stats.nba.com/playerGameLogs.htm ... PerPage=25

[verbal8]

The Bucks are apparently interested in Eric Gordon. I wonder what they are offering.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ric-Gordon

OJ Mayo would make a lot of sense as part of the deal. If they can dump Zaza too that would be a pretty good deal for them. I could also see Ersan being the other piece, he would give the Pelicans a replacement for Ryan Anderson this season.

[mohammed10]

The Bucks are apparently interested in Eric Gordon. I wonder what they are offering.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ric-Gordon

OJ Mayo would make a lot of sense as part of the deal. If they can dump Zaza too that would be a pretty good deal for them. I could also see Ersan being the other piece, he would give the Pelicans a replacement for Ryan Anderson this season.

Larry Sanders? jk

[verbal8]

The Bucks are apparently interested in Eric Gordon. I wonder what they are offering.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ric-Gordon

OJ Mayo would make a lot of sense as part of the deal. If they can dump Zaza too that would be a pretty good deal for them. I could also see Ersan being the other piece, he would give the Pelicans a replacement for Ryan Anderson this season.

Larry Sanders? jk

As crazy as that sounds, it might not be a bad deal if the Bucks want to "press the reset button". They would definitely need to get Ryan Anderson back - and maybe send him to a 3rd team. They also would have to be able to pretty much dump every bad deal(Neal, Zaza).

So the Bucks would end up with:

Eric Gordon
Ryan Anderson

Brandon Knight
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Henson
top 2014 draft pick

Wolters
maybe some depth from New Orleans

A decent amount of talent, but a bit of a mismatch of prime stars and potential players. It seems like something the Bucks might do.

The Pelicans would be taking a lot of risk(Sanders, Mayo, Ersan), but a Sanders/Davis/Ersan bigs rotation might be pretty tempting.

[Ruzious]

The Bucks are probably foolish enough to take on Gordon's salary. The saving grace is that they'll likely be giving up foolish contracts to get him, and Gordon is better than Mayo.

[verbal8]

The Bucks are probably foolish enough to take on Gordon's salary. The saving grace is that they'll likely be giving up foolish contracts to get him, and Gordon is better than Mayo.

Wouldn't be thrilled with either player, but Mayo at a flat $8 million is easier to deal with than Gordon at $14.2 million and increasing. Although if they dumped Mayo and Zaza and got Gordon to opt out, that would be a big plus for the Bucks.

[fishercob]

Keep an eye on Sacramento.

If Rudy gay doesn't opt out (and I doubt he will), they be at something like $68M in committed salary not including their draft picks and Isiah Thomas hitting restricted free agency.

If Thomas gets any type of market offer they are going to either have to pay the lux tax (which is horrifying for a (.339 team), let Thomas walk, or pay someone handsomely to clear one of their several bad contracts (Thornton, Thompson, WIlliams, Landry) off their books.

I could see them making a deal at the deadline to take a terrible contract like Gerald Wallace but that frees up money this summer. Like Thornton + Derrick WIlliams + Outlaw for Wallace. It creates some breathing room for Sac to sign Isiah this summer while getting Boston out of the final year of Wallace's deal.

If they pass on that route, someone could steal Thomas this summer. I'm not so hopeful as to believe that someone could be the Wizards, but that guy would help tremendously.

[pancakes3]

Isaiah Thomas is going to be paid, paid, and then paid again. After 3 seasons on a 2nd rounder's contract he deserves it too. I'm guessing the Knicks,

[fishercob]

Isaiah Thomas is going to be paid, paid, and then paid again. After 3 seasons on a 2nd rounder's contract he deserves it too. I'm guessing the Knicks,

If he's getting paid, it won't be by the Knicks. All they'll have is the taxpayer's MLE.

[Ruzious]

Isaiah Thomas is going to be paid, paid, and then paid again. After 3 seasons on a 2nd rounder's contract he deserves it too. I'm guessing the Knicks,

If he's getting paid, it won't be by the Knicks. All they'll have is the taxpayer's MLE.

The Bucks could really use Thomas. As of now, they should have 7 to 8 mil in cap space in the offseason - probably more if they trade Ilyasova - probably less if they trade for Gordon.

[fishercob]

Agreed, Ruz. Great fit there.

Sacto is pretty screwed if Gay doesn't opt out. They're bad and basically capped out, and they face the specter of paying the luxtax to keep their second best player -- for the right ti stay bad.

[mohammed10]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960 ... nba-dreams

While I know bleacher report isn't the most reliable site, it would appear that Pierre Jackson is available (Pelicans own his rights). Wonder if it's worth kicking the tires on him as a viable backup PG.

Thoughts?

[hands11]

Isaiah Thomas is going to be paid, paid, and then paid again. After 3 seasons on a 2nd rounder's contract he deserves it too. I'm guessing the Knicks,

By the Knicks ?

I lot would have to happen for the Knicks to be able to pay him.

[hands11]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960415-interview-d-league-sensation-pierre-jackson-talks-nba-dreams

While I know bleacher report isn't the most reliable site, it would appear that Pierre Jackson is available (Pelicans own his rights). Wonder if it's worth kicking the tires on him as a viable backup PG.

Thoughts?

Pierre (Zoom Zoom) Jackson is going to be entertaining for years no matter where he plays.

I promoted him a ton going into the draft. At one point he wasn't even listed in the 2nd round so I was hoping we just picked him up after the draft. But I don't see EG looking at a PJ. Just doesn't fit their MO

[closg00]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960415-interview-d-league-sensation-pierre-jackson-talks-nba-dreams

While I know bleacher report isn't the most reliable site, it would appear that Pierre Jackson is available (Pelicans own his rights). Wonder if it's worth kicking the tires on him as a viable backup PG.

Thoughts?

Pierre (Zoom Zoom) Jackson is going to be entertaining for years no matter where he plays.

I promoted him a ton going into the draft. At one point he wasn't even listed in the 2nd round so I was hoping we just picked him up after the draft. But I don't see EG looking at a PJ. Just doesn't fit their MO

That's right. Per the tap, the Wiz are interested in Rodrigue Beaubois (4/5th PG we're after?)
Since Beaubois is coming-off an injury/surgery, Beaubois is a lock to become a Wizards.

[spaceman_E]

I don't follow the Warriors that closely, but it looks like the guys in front of him - Klay Thompson and Iguodala - are playing a ton of minutes. Crawford hasn't been playing a ton, but he might be cutting into his minutes some. His season average is 29 mpg, although from a glance he is probably getting in the mid-20s at this point.

verbal - just to be clear, I would do your proposed trade (assuming nothing is wrong with Barnes physically, etc.). Though nate and others would state we're giving up our #1 defensive stopper, I think we clarify the 3-spot and give maybe find another team to unload Porter or Webster. At the very least, it gets Porter on the floor more to showcase his * cough, cough * 'talents'.

I'm amazed that people continue to ridiculously overrate HarBar. After 2 mediocre college seasons and going on 2 mediocre to bad NBA seasons, people still think he just needs a chance. Put it this way, if Porter isn't better than Barnes next season, we can make it official that Porter's a bust.

At this point, I don't think Barnes is going to be good but he'd also look a lot better playing next to a real PG. He plays on their 2nd unit which has basically had uhh Kent Bazemore? Nedovic? I don't think they even had a consistent backup PG before Craw and certainly not one that could distribute. Barnes is pretty bad when asked to create for himself all the time which is exactly how they use him. That said, I'd much rather bring a 3rd team in to take him while we net a young big or lotto-ish pick.

[spaceman_E]

This got me interested in Barnes so I decided to look up his numbers and found some interesting stuff...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2014/

If you look at his splits, as a starter this year (16gm) he's basically posting the same or better %'s as last year 44/38/75 vs 44/36/76 of last season (in which he started every game) while as a reserve he drops to 40/43/73. His makes assisted percentage has also dropped from 63% to 56.6%. Also, if you go into his shooting break down, you'll notice that he's very good at the rim and from the three point line but he has basically no mid-range game to speak of. Yet, this year his % of shots from mid-range has risen from 45% to 54%. I think all of this supports my eye test that he's being asked to do more than he's ready for but he's still only 21 and at a minimum looks like he'll make a terrific 3/D player in the future.

This has changed my mind and I'd be trying very hard to move Ariza, Booker and maybe 1 more piece of value to secure Barnes as our SF of the future. I think he has all the potential to be very good defensively and even more lethal than Ariza on the catch and shoot next to Wall.

[mohammed10]

This got me interested in Barnes so I decided to look up his numbers and found some interesting stuff...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2014/

If you look at his splits, as a starter this year (16gm) he's basically posting the same or better %'s as last year 44/38/75 vs 44/36/76 of last season (in which he started every game) while as a reserve he drops to 40/43/73. His makes assisted percentage has also dropped from 63% to 56.6%. Also, if you go into his shooting break down, you'll notice that he's very good at the rim and from the three point line but he has basically no mid-range game to speak of. Yet, this year his % of shots from mid-range has risen from 45% to 54%. I think all of this supports my eye test that he's being asked to do more than he's ready for but he's still only 21 and at a minimum looks like he'll make a terrific 3/D player in the future.

This has changed my mind and I'd be trying very hard to move Ariza, Booker and maybe 1 more piece of value to secure Barnes as our SF of the future. I think he has all the potential to be very good defensively and even more lethal than Ariza on the catch and shoot next to Wall.

Not sure I am smart enough to understand all the statistical breakdown, but I like your end result...

[mohammed10]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1960415-interview-d-league-sensation-pierre-jackson-talks-nba-dreams

While I know bleacher report isn't the most reliable site, it would appear that Pierre Jackson is available (Pelicans own his rights). Wonder if it's worth kicking the tires on him as a viable backup PG.

Thoughts?

Pierre (Zoom Zoom) Jackson is going to be entertaining for years no matter where he plays.

I promoted him a ton going into the draft. At one point he wasn't even listed in the 2nd round so I was hoping we just picked him up after the draft. But I don't see EG looking at a PJ. Just doesn't fit their MO

hands,

You're probably right. Now this little nugget:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... aft-Rights