Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[Jamaaliver]

Having said that, one big I wonder about having chronic injuries is enough; two is asking for trouble.

Well then, I have some terrible news about Lucas Nogueira...

[theatlfan]

Having said that, one big I wonder about having chronic injuries is enough; two is asking for trouble.

Well then, I have some terrible news about Lucas Nogueira...

I wouldn't call one year a trend by any stretch - especially one in which we know a player over-exerted himself in the weight room. It a long way from being a injured and having an injury be chronic. Still, I can't say I'm not concerned about Nogueira and injuries - it's just not a good sign for a prospect to miss the entire season immediately after being drafted. There's no doubt that I have Muscala far ahead in the "best young C overseas whose rights we own" sweepstakes though and some of that is due to Nogueira and his hammy and knees (tbf, some is also due to Muscala ballin').

[MaceCase]

Perhaps simply swapping out the Hawks training staff or strength and conditioning coach would clear up this issue. Horf goes down with two pec injuries and Spanish officials complain that the Hawks sent Bebe back as damaged goods and I start to wonder what exactly they have them doing in the weightroom.

[brackdan70]

Jeff Green coming soon??????

[theatlfan]

Jeff Green coming soon??????

Honestly, I hope not. Not unless we get some sweetener to take his contract. Been overrated since his days @ OKC.

[diesel50]

If it were true that Harrison Barnes and Klay Thompson were available, I would easily trade:

Sap, Korver, and our first rounder for Thompson, Barnes, and Bogut.

The reason being is that I believe that Barnes and Thompson have star written all over them. But I don't think they will be with Jackson and Curry in GS.

[diesel50]

I heard that OKC was looking for a Shooter.


Who would consider this trade.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6428076

[ATL Boy]

I heard that OKC was looking for a Shooter.


Who would consider this trade.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6428076

Sam Presti would laugh his way off the phone lines and block Ferry's number if we offered this.

[azuresou1]

I heard that OKC was looking for a Shooter.


Who would consider this trade.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6428076

[Hawks champs]

I heard that OKC was looking for a Shooter.


Who would consider this trade.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6428076

Sam Presti would laugh his way off the phone lines and block Ferry's number if we offered this.

Hold on now I'm sure that they would seriously consider this

[diesel50]

Could the answer to our big situation be Spencer Hawes?

Would you give up DMC/Brand for Hawes?

[theatlfan]

Not sure I'm on board with how you value players... Or the direction of the other team we'd be dealing with...

Sap, Korver, and our first rounder for Thompson, Barnes, and Bogut.

I heard that OKC was looking for a Shooter.
Who would consider this trade.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6428076

I think both of these are heavily one-sided in our direction and neither really identifies what the other team is trying to do.

GSW is willing to trade one of Barnes or Thompson for an immediate upgrade/deeper roster (not sure which they'd prefer) to make a strong playoff run in the near future (this year or next). If they do deal 1 of their young wings, then I find it very hard to conceive they'd include Bogut in the same deal - especially without a strong C coming back.

OKC is looking for a shooter to spread the floor for their scorers. They're looking for a piece to complement Westbrook and aren't looking to replace him in their core.

Could the answer to our big situation be Spencer Hawes?
Would you give up DMC/Brand for Hawes?

PHI, OTOH, is in the opposite chair from the 2 aforementioned teams. They are a complete train wreck on the court, are below the salary floor, and have no plans on resigning Hawes come FA. They will be trading Hawes to the team that bids the most in terms of young assets. They'll happily take salary to maximize that return. DMC means nothing to them and they'd prefer to take Perkins over Brand since the extra year of salary should mean more in terms of assets and young talent - any extra $$ in salary is already sunk cost due to the penalties of being below the salary floor.

Personally, I'd offer Lou and 2 2nds for Hawes and make PHI find a better deal. I'd consider going public with the offer since teams would know that we have real interest and it'd take > MLE $$ to resign him.

[diesel50]

GSW is willing to trade one of Barnes or Thompson for an immediate upgrade/deeper roster (not sure which they'd prefer) to make a strong playoff run in the near future (this year or next). If they do deal 1 of their young wings, then I find it very hard to conceive they'd include Bogut in the same deal - especially without a strong C coming back.

I think the move puts vets on their team that can make a difference. AI has made Barnes and his future with them.... less needed. The big news (for me) is that Klay is on the blocks. My thinking is giving them Korver automatically gives them a floor spreader who maybe plays an ounce more defense than Klay. Sapp and the first makes this deal a real deal because with Lee, Sapp, Korver, AI, and Curry.. they have a team that fills every need. Last year, I was impressed by Festus Eli. I think with minutes this guy can be everything that Detroit has in Drummond.

OKC is looking for a shooter to spread the floor for their scorers. They're looking for a piece to complement Westbrook and aren't looking to replace him in their core.

I admit when I'm wrong. And I'm wrong here. However, Westbrook is not a great fit in OKC.. and there's a lot of risk in trading for a player coming off injury... like he had. I think that before it's all said and done, OKC will have to trade Westbrook to truly compete for a championship.

PHI, OTOH, is in the opposite chair from the 2 aforementioned teams. They are a complete train wreck on the court, are below the salary floor, and have no plans on resigning Hawes come FA. They will be trading Hawes to the team that bids the most in terms of young assets. They'll happily take salary to maximize that return. DMC means nothing to them and they'd prefer to take Perkins over Brand since the extra year of salary should mean more in terms of assets and young talent - any extra $$ in salary is already sunk cost due to the penalties of being below the salary floor.

Personally, I'd offer Lou and 2 2nds for Hawes and make PHI find a better deal. I'd consider going public with the offer since teams would know that we have real interest and it'd take > MLE $$ to resign him.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to pawn off Lou for anybody right now. The thing about DMC... is that I don't think Philly is looking for players. I think they are looking for a first round pick or a chemistry player to help their young squad. Whereas Lou does nothing but get in the young roster's way, I think that DMC would be a great surrogate.. especially if they get one of these young forwards in the draft. Plus DMC's contract is something that's great for a transitional year. Whereas Brand is just a retiring player. Let's not lose sight of where Philly is right now. They are a good young team trying to tank for a great player. They will probably trade both Turner and Hawes for what would seem like nothing to ensure that they get a high draft pick.

Our problem in getting Hawes is resigning him. However, getting him gives us a sneak peak on if he would fit.

[theatlfan]

I think the move puts vets on their team that can make a difference. AI has made Barnes and his future with them.... less needed. The big news (for me) is that Klay is on the blocks. My thinking is giving them Korver automatically gives them a floor spreader who maybe plays an ounce more defense than Klay. Sapp and the first makes this deal a real deal because with Lee, Sapp, Korver, AI, and Curry.. they have a team that fills every need. Last year, I was impressed by Festus Eli. I think with minutes this guy can be everything that Detroit has in Drummond.

?? Look, if healthy, then Bogut is the best player in this deal, and one can argue one would prefer Klay to either Millsap or Korver in terms of on court production this year - so forth when considering contracts and going forward. Barnes is better than a mid-1st. The deal is very one-sided on value alone, but the bigger problem though is that GSW is a playoff team and looking to make a run. No playoff team that is looking to stay there wants to deal off 3 if their starters for replacements - especially when the biggest piece coming back is redundant to what that already have.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to pawn off Lou for anybody right now. The thing about DMC... is that I don't think Philly is looking for players. I think they are looking for a first round pick or a chemistry player to help their young squad. Whereas Lou does nothing but get in the young roster's way, I think that DMC would be a great surrogate.. especially if they get one of these young forwards in the draft. Plus DMC's contract is something that's great for a transitional year. Whereas Brand is just a retiring player. Let's not lose sight of where Philly is right now. They are a good young team trying to tank for a great player. They will probably trade both Turner and Hawes for what would seem like nothing to ensure that they get a high draft pick.

Our problem in getting Hawes is resigning him. However, getting him gives us a sneak peak on if he would fit.

You have PHI all wrong. They're unloading their vets and all they care about is collecting 1sts - they're considering trading Evan Turner to CHAR for Ben Gordon and PORT's 1st (very late 1st) and will take it unless someone puts a higher 1st on the table. They really don't care about what you're suggesting they should be.

[diesel50]

?? Look, if healthy, then Bogut is the best player in this deal, and one can argue one would prefer Klay to either Millsap or Korver in terms of on court production this year - so forth when considering contracts and going forward. Barnes is better than a mid-1st. The deal is very one-sided on value alone, but the bigger problem though is that GSW is a playoff team and looking to make a run. No playoff team that is looking to stay there wants to deal off 3 if their starters for replacements - especially when the biggest piece coming back is redundant to what that already have.

First off Bogut is never healthy. Never has been. Second... Millsap is the best player in this deal...notwithstanding the first round pick. Millsap is a freakin allstar.. coaches pick... Nuff said. Barnes.. is not a starter. Moreover, they have plenty of depth... Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks are sitting the bench with Draymond Green. But like you said, they are a playoff team. Millsap and Korver adds loads to them. But to fairen it up... same trade... we keep the pick.. they give Oneal instead of Bogut.

[theatlfan]

?? Look, if healthy, then Bogut is the best player in this deal, and one can argue one would prefer Klay to either Millsap or Korver in terms of on court production this year - so forth when considering contracts and going forward. Barnes is better than a mid-1st. The deal is very one-sided on value alone, but the bigger problem though is that GSW is a playoff team and looking to make a run. No playoff team that is looking to stay there wants to deal off 3 if their starters for replacements - especially when the biggest piece coming back is redundant to what that already have.

First off Bogut is never healthy. Never has been. Second... Millsap is the best player in this deal...notwithstanding the first round pick. Millsap is a freakin allstar.. coaches pick... Nuff said. Barnes.. is not a starter. Moreover, they have plenty of depth... Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks are sitting the bench with Draymond Green. But like you said, they are a playoff team. Millsap and Korver adds loads to them. But to fairen it up... same trade... we keep the pick.. they give Oneal instead of Bogut.

Uh... OK, I'm done. If I can't convince, then go ahead and try it on the T&T board and see how well it's received...

[Jamaaliver]

Millsap is the best player in this deal...notwithstanding the first round pick. Millsap is a freakin allstar.. coaches pick.

I'm not sure making the All-Star team once in 8 years makes him better than young players like Barnes and Klay who clearly have a higher ceiling.

In addition, trading multiple lottery picks (in Klay and Harrison) for 16 months of Paul Millsap seems myopic.

If GS really wanted or needed Paul, theu could have traded for him a year ago when the asking price was much cheaper. Or signed him in Free Agency. Or conducted a sign and trade last summer.

It is worht mentioning that GSW had expressed interest in Josh Smith back in 2012 and there were even rumors they were open to trading their lottery pick that summer to get him. That could have allowed us to draft either Harrison Barnes or Drummond.

Too bad Ferry was dead set on keeping Josh. #Ferrys Greatest Failure

[MaceCase]

Warriors already have a 2x All Star (Coaches' pick! Well...one commissioner's pick) at the PF position in David Lee and even if you believe Sap to be the best player being swapped that value is extremely diminished going to a team that already holds a comparable player. Perhaps the deal would actually be considerable if you reworked it to include Lee in place of either JO or Bogut. Perhaps Sap, the 1st and shedding a year on Lee's deal minimizes the sting of them losing two young prospects but even then I think they'd walk away but hey, at least not as emphatically.

[parson]

I tried Teague for Afflalo over at the Magic board a few days ago. None of those yapping dogs attacked me - you know the yapping dogs who always seem to show up when you visit some other team's board? The ones who are mad you visited? All in all, the proposal was met with agreement or a desire to wait and see about the draft, but there was not a great deal of rejection for the idea. There might be a chance for agreement there. Teague fits well with Oladipo (and ORL's future plans) and Afflalo fits our need, as well. A taller defender at SG has been a need all year.

Play Afflalo over Lou Williams and let the kiddies log some major minutes, anyone?

[Jamaaliver]

I'm all for anything that moves Dennis up on the depth chart and brings in a wing that can put pressure on opponents. (Thus opening up the floor for Millsap.)