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Post#1 » by MisterHibachi » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:27 pm

This is the thread for the match up of seeds 8 and 4 in the Eastern Conference of the All-Time Fantasy League.

General Discussion in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1293300
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Eastern Conference SemiFinals: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan

(8) Bruh Man
1. Kevin Garnett (03-05)
2. Scottie Pippen (94-96)
3. Reggie Miller (93-95)
4. Jason Kidd (01-03)
5. Mitch Richmond (95-97)
6. Roy Hibbert (12-14)
7. Blake Griffin (12-14)
8. Tim Hardaway (91-93)
9. Nene Hilario (09-11)
10. Tayshaun Prince (07-09)

(4) CaliBullsFan
1. Tim Duncan (02-04)
2. Gary Payton (95-97)
3. Sidney Moncrief (82-84)
4. Marc Gasol (11-13)
5. Detlef Schrempf (95-97)
6. Jeff Hornacek (95-97)
7. Cedric Maxwell (80-82)
8. Ralph Sampson (84-86)
9. Robert Horry (02-04)
10. Michael Adams (88-90)

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Re: ATFL Eastern: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan 

Post#2 » by Bruh Man » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:39 am

Nice, was actually looking forward to facing Calibulls. 2 defensive juggernauts going at it. First to 50 wins? :lol: anyway good luck to my opponent this will be an interesting matchup to say the least.
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Re: ATFL Eastern: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan 

Post#3 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:54 pm

This matchup feels too early. As the draft was playing out live these were my favorite two teams through the top half of the draft.

Duncan v KG main event

with Reggie, Kidd, Glove, Pippen, Sidney, Detlef etc mixed in on the undercard.

Yeah my basketball pants are going crazy for this matchup.
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Re: ATFL Eastern: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan 

Post#4 » by Bruh Man » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:01 am

Minutes

Spoiler:
I'll copy and past the example I had from the previous match-up, biggest difference will be Prince seeing less minutes.

Hibbert(26)/Nene(14)/KG(8)
KG(28)/Griffin(10)/Pippen(8)
Pippen(28)/Prince(12)/Miller(8)
Miller(26)/Richmond(22)
Kidd(26)/Hardaway(22)

*Note these numbers aren't absolute just there to give you an example how a game might play out.


Match-ups

Gasol vs Hibbert - Hibbert is better defensively while Gasol is the better offensive player. With these teams and in this league in general though Hibbert is the more valuable player and his impact will exceed that of Gasol’s. Gasol’s role on offense will be reduced, while his defensive responsibilities will be greatly increased. With Pippen, Hardaway, Mitch, and Griffen all players that attack the rim hard, Gasol will be having a tough time staying out of foul trouble. So if in foul trouble Cali has to go with a young raw player in Sampson who wasn’t great defensively, while Hibbert’s back up is Nene who is a great veteran a solid post defender and a very unselfish player.

KG vs Duncan - What a match-up shame we never saw more playoff series with these 2 going at it, The Big Ticket vs The Big Fundamental. Both players will impact the game in a big way, both players were obviously our #1 picks because of what and how much they bring to the table. The difference here though is that I surrounded my #1 pick with better players that complement his game beautifully. Duncan is usually considered the better player but that doesn’t mean KG didn’t have his advantages. For one he was more mobile, a big part why he is probably the GOAT pick and role defender. He was also the better playmaker/passer and ball handler, he’s great at finding open teammates and does very well passing out of double teams. He also sets better screens which will help greatly to get teammates open. He will have Kidd and Pippen getting him open looks who are better playmakers than Payton and Moncrief. He will Have Miller spacing the floor who is clearly the best shooter in this series, and he will have Hibbert helping protect the paint who is better than Gasol. So KG’s job is made easier by his teammates while Duncan will have to shoulder a heavy load, he will be relied on to offer them points in the paint while creating for his teammates and being put under a lot of pressure defensively when Gasol is out of the game.
Spoiler:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbiGBYByeQ[/youtube]


Pippen vs Moncrief - Pippen is stronger, bigger, and more athletic. To me he did almost everything better except maybe man defense. Pippen is the better shooter, passer, and help defender. Scottie shouldn’t have much trouble keeping Moncrief out the paint and forcing him into long jumpers. On the other end I’m not sure who my opponent will put Sidney on because Pippen has a huge size advantage and Reggie is also much taller. So Moncrief will a have a tough time doing what he does best in this series.

Miller vs Schrempf - Miller is the superior shooter without a doubt and that’s what these two players main role is. Reggie is also the superior off ball player and is on a team that will get him better shots with superior playmakers and screen setters. I will put Miller on Schrempf since I’m guessing he will be camped at the 3 point line and won’t be attempting many drives against my front court.

Payton vs Kidd - Another great head to head match-up, with the 2 best defensive point guards of all time. I think the difference here is that Kidd will bring more to the table on the offensive end while also out-rebounding his opponent. Kidd is the superior playmaker obviously, and while Payton is the better scorer it’s not such a great idea to have your pg take so many shots in this league. So Payton’s scoring will drop I would guess unless Calibulls gives him the green light to keep the same volume of shots. On the other hand Kidd gets to utilize his strengths to a T. So essentially Kidd’s playmaking will outshine Payton’s scoring.


Defense

My opponent has some glaring weaknesses on offense that will be exploited easily. Lack of synergy, poor outside shooting, lack of great playmakers, and his reliance on points in the paint. I won’t be playing any zone, strictly man defense with the occasional double team. A double team will only occur on Duncan in the post, and that would be to force the ball out of his hands and to force his wing players (Glove,Sidney) to try and beat my team from the outside.

So I will force Payton and Moncrief into long jumpers, and congest the paint to try and stop any post ups or drives to the hoop. With his lack of great playmakers I will try and take the ball out of Paytons hands as much as possible and force others to create open shots. While Miller can just stay glued to Schrempf who will mostly be spotting up.

So the two main goals for my defense is to limit Duncan in the post by using KG’s mobility to first try and deny him the ball and when he gets the ball send the occasional double with Pippen or Kidd. The other goal is to get the ball out of Payton’s hand’s and force Moncrief and Schrempf to try and create for their team.


Offense

This offense isn’t dependent on pick n rolls, or post ups, or 1 on 1 play. Its predicated on ball movement, and the team is properly equipped to handle that. I am expecting a lot of bricks from my opponent so Kidd and company will have plenty of opportunities to take advantage of the open court and wreak havoc. Then when in the half court my teams offense will have the advantage yet again with superior ball handling, passing, and shooting. So lots of screens for Miller, KG will get the ball in the high post frequently. Pippen and Kidd will handle the ball the most in the starting line-up, and Hibbert will set screens and box out mainly.

Although my opponent has a solid defense, there are still exploits. Payton won’t do much to stop Kidd’s playmaking and rebounding, I see moncrief having a tough time with whoever he guards since he will be giving up a significant height advantage. Schrempf will also help give up points to either Pippen or Miller whoever Cali decides to put him on. Also whenever Gasol or Duncan get a rest or if in foul trouble then Sampson and/or Horry will be a big downgrade for my opponents D.

bench

My bench will come in and be a huge spark plug for the offense. We already know how well Hardaway and Mitch play together and how they could put up points in bunches then you add in Blake Griffin and that alone gives you a deadly offense. 3 players that can absolutely wreak havoc in transition, all three can handle the ball, all three have exceptional range, and are also all great passers. That gives me another dynamic that my opponent can’t come close to matching. Run TMG? okay that sounds awful :lol:, but I promise it will look beautiful on court :-D

Spoiler:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzWUxtukbA[/youtube]


Prince might not see much time with Cali’s lack of great wings but Nene will definitely see some minutes against this big frontcourt. He is a strong post defender who is very mobile and that will fit greatly with my high octane bench or even my starters, and even though he won’t be a big part of the offense he did lead the league in FG% in one of the years selected shooting 61% so he gives me a duo that complement each other nicely at the center position.

Conclusion

So to wrap up my team has clear advantages in Rebounding, Ball-Movement, Shooting, Ball-Handling, Transition, and you can add the fact that my bench is significantly superior to his in basically every facet of the game. With better spacing and great scorers off the bench my offense will be significantly better. Also when the game is close I have another huge advantage their as well

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__29zDPQK8o[/youtube]
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Post#5 » by CaliBullsFan » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:56 pm

I have been lazy I will write something up later on today
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Re: ATFL Eastern: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan 

Post#6 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Question for Bruh?

Will Hibbert match up against Duncan any or will KG take him the whole time he's in? Same thing when Nene is in for Roy--will he take time on Duncan with KG on the court or is KG on him every time both franchise guys are in the game?
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Post#7 » by Bruh Man » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Question for Bruh?

Will Hibbert match up against Duncan any or will KG take him the whole time he's in? Same thing when Nene is in for Roy--will he take time on Duncan with KG on the court or is KG on him every time both franchise guys are in the game?

Good question, glad you asked knew I was missing some things. Hibbert will definitely see some minutes against Duncan as will Nene, I was actually thinking of starting out with Hibbert on Duncan because of his size and strength he could keep Duncan out of the post better than KG and it allows Garnett to be a help defender which is what he does best. So basically Duncan will see many different looks with KG/Hibbert seeing the most time against him, I will wait and see what my opponents game plan is before elaborating more because I have no idea what his straregy will be on either end of the floor.
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Post#8 » by john248 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:01 am

Duncan, even as old as he is, has done well against Hibbert, right?
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Post#9 » by Quotatious » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:02 am

john248 wrote:Duncan, even as old as he is, has done well against Hibbert, right?

Yes, Duncan especially does a great job on the boards against Hibbert - 13.5 RPG against the Pacers since 2009.

Apparently, Duncan and Hibbert were even working out together:

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Re: ATFL Eastern: (8) Bruh Man vs. (4) CaliBullsFan 

Post#10 » by CaliBullsFan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:22 pm

Minutes breakdown

C: Gasol(22) Duncan (16) Sampson(10)
PF: Duncan (20) Sampson(10) Schrempf(18)
SF: Schrempf (12) Maxwell (30) Moncrief (4)
SG: Moncrief (26) Hornacek(18) Adams(4)
PG: Payton (36) Hornacek (12)

Normal lineups would

Starters:
Gasol
Duncan
Schrempf
Moncrief
GP

First bench unit:
Duncan
Sampson
Maxwell
Hornacek
Payton

Instant offense/Super High Pressure D: (would be used as a spark to ignite the team after a bad quarter)
Duncan
Schrempf
Moncrief
Adams
Payton

Finishers: (Horry could play instead of Gasol if in a must have 3 situation)
Gasol
Duncan
Schrempf
Hornacek
Payton

obviously these would be somewhat fluid based on matchups and who's hot

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7'0 Tim Duncan (02-04)
43 playoff games, 25/14/5, 3blks, 57 TS%
2x MVP, Finals MVP, 3x 1st team All D, 3x 1st team All NBA

6'4 Gary Payton (95-97)
37 playoffs games, 21/5/7, <3 turnovers per game
DPOY, 3x 1st team All D, 3x 2nd team All NBA

6'3 Sidney Moncrief (82-84)
31 playoff games, 18/7/4, 3 offensive rebounds per game
2x DPOY, 3x 1st team All D, 1x 1st & 2x 2nd team All NBA

4. Marc Gasol (11-13)
35 playoffs games, 16/9/3, 76% FT shooter
DPOY, 2nd team All D, 2nd team All NBA

6'9 Detlef Schrempf (94-96)
30 playoff games, 17/5/3, 40% 3 pt%, Regular season 60% TS%
3rd team All NBA

6'3 Jeff Hornacek (95-97)
43 playoff games, 16/4/4, <2 turnovers per game, 48% 3pt%, 61% TS%.. remember that is in the playoffs 8-)

6'8 Cedric Maxwell (80-82)
38 playoff games, 16/8/2, 63% TS%, 2:1 FGA to FTA ratio
Finals MVP

7'4 Ralph Sampson (84-86)
25 playoff games, 20/12/4 , 67% FT%. Only shooter on the entire team <70%
ROY, All Star Game MVP. 2nd team All NBA

6'9 Robert Horry (02-04)
41 playoff games, 7/7/3
The definition of clutch

5'10 Michael Adams (88-90)
16 playoff games, 15/4/6
Lead NBA in 3 Pt FGs made twice (regular season)


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Post#11 » by penbeast0 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:37 am

Bruhman has a good point about Cali's spacing issues, especially with Cornbread Maxwell in the game. He's wrong about Moncrief who (a) plays "bigger" than Reggie Miller due to his freakish reach and strength and (b) is clearly a better man defender and slasher than Pippen as well as a more focused and aggressive player although I think Pippen's advantages in help defense, outside shooting, playmaking, and even rebounding make him the better player by a little bit. Note that Hornacek is playing starter minutes (30) which adds another outstanding floor stretcher to Schrempf who was also a very good outside shooter for a 3/4 at the cost of weakening the otherwise great guard defense.

That said, I am going to wait until tomorrow to see if Cali gets his strategy up before voting.
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Post#12 » by whitehops » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:33 am

i would take Duncan all day, every day over garnett but unfortunately for CaliBullsFan basketball isn't a one-on-one game. Bruh Man's team has pretty much every facet of the game covered, and is exceptionally talented. i don't like kidd at all (think he's incredibly overrated offensively) but having pippen and KG spread the ball around plus miller somewhere out there?!


yeah, my vote goes to Bruh Man and that probably won't change even with cali's writeup, but if it does i'll make it known. to be honest, given cali's roster i'm pretty sure there's nothing he can say for me to change my mind.
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Post#13 » by john248 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:47 am

So the weekend has passed and a strategy is not up...

BruhMan will be relying on transition offense which won't be as often as it would be in the regular season. They likely won't be running as much going against another team who also takes pride in defense where CBF's team looks to be good in transition D. This will be a slow it down, grind fest. I do think the PG edge goes to CBF's team in this match-up. I like Kidd and tend to overrate him due to him being a Bay Area product, but hey, GP is from the same area. FWIW, I do like Duncan/Gasol more than KG/Hibbert. But this is a team game and not so much about the individuals since there's also guys like Miller, Richmond, Blake, Hardaway who will keep things going more so.

Vote BruhMan. 5 or 6 games.
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Post#14 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:26 pm

Really would like to hear more from CaliBullsFan before I vote on this matchup. I disagree with the judges above me who seem to think this matchup is foregone conclusion.
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Post#15 » by penbeast0 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:13 am

Well, I was hoping for a bit more from Cali since this one was very close for me but although I don't like using Maxwell this much (a player whose stats overstate his impact), I think he's got a real shot with Duncan being the best big on the floor and that nasty guard defense of Payton and Moncrief. However, I do think Bruh Man seems to fit together nicely and have appreciably better playmaking and a bit better spacing and so I will vote for him.
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Post#16 » by ronnymac2 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:35 am

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Post#17 » by MisterHibachi » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:43 am

I think it's about time to vote.

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Post#19 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:04 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Really would like to hear more from CaliBullsFan before I vote on this matchup. I disagree with the judges above me who seem to think this matchup is foregone conclusion.



Man I hate that CBF bailed on this, because I really loved both teams.

But Bruh Man has built a great team and deserves to move on.

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Post#20 » by MisterHibachi » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:24 am

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