The Trade Thread

[sc8581]

Cavs wouldn't even consider that deal, Monroe for Waiters might be possible.

lol "might". are you kidding? the cavs would **** themselves if we offered monroe for waiters.

I don't believe they would

[jakebernat]

Cavs wouldn't even consider that deal, Monroe for Waiters might be possible.

lol "might". are you kidding? the cavs would **** themselves if we offered monroe for waiters.

I don't believe they would

you're telling me they wouldn't want to trade a CAREER 6th man for a franchise big??? you're outta your mind boy

[Neptune]

Monroe/KCP to Cleveland for Waiters/Thompson - Who says no?

If we say no - what about getting expiring Deng for expiring CV, Singler + cap filler as part of the deal?

Cleveland gets complimentary pieces to put around Kyrie, not less talented, but very talented young players who "know/accept their role".

Would Jennings/Waiters be a trainwreck like Kyrie/Waiters is and like Jennings/Ellis was? Both too ball dominant or would Jennings relish the idea of becoming more a true point guard like he has played lip service to this season?

Jennings
Waiters
Deng
Smith
Drummond

Irving
Caldwell-Pope
Singler
Bennett
Monroe

I want Waiters too, but I'm not giving up Monroe for him. You never trade big for small. How about we do a three-team trade and do:

Pistons get: Waiters, Moultrie
76ers get: KCP, Clark, Bynum
Cavs get: Turner, Jerebko

[ALL HAIL]

Okay, tell me why, if the Pistons have the eighth pick, they shouldn't draft a guy there and package him with Josh Smith, trading them to a team with capspace for nothing ...

... especially if there is no game changing wing available at the eighth spot and the Pistons would rather enjoy the 20 mill in capspace they'd have (correct me if wrong) by offloading Smith — essentially choosing free agency and capspace to plug holes over the draft ... Pistons could take their pick of the best wing-fit next to Drummond.

[sfballa13]

Okay, tell me why, if the Pistons have the eighth pick, they shouldn't draft a guy there and package him with Josh Smith, trading them to a team with capspace for nothing ...

... especially if there is no game changing wing available at the eighth spot and the Pistons would rather enjoy the 20 mill in capspace they'd have (correct me if wrong) by offloading Smith — essentially choosing free agency and capspace to plug holes over the draft ... Pistons could take their pick of the best wing-fit next to Drummond.

So we are gonna lose a pick in order to sign Smith then give away ANOTHER pick just to get rid of him??

No thanks.

If Rudy Gay and Bargs can be traded without giving up a top ten pick then so can Smith

[momed11]

Okay, tell me why, if the Pistons have the eighth pick, they shouldn't draft a guy there and package him with Josh Smith, trading them to a team with capspace for nothing ...

... especially if there is no game changing wing available at the eighth spot and the Pistons would rather enjoy the 20 mill in capspace they'd have (correct me if wrong) by offloading Smith — essentially choosing free agency and capspace to plug holes over the draft ... Pistons could take their pick of the best wing-fit next to Drummond.

So we are gonna lose a pick in order to sign Smith then give away ANOTHER pick just to get rid of him??

No thanks.

If Rudy Gay and Bargs can be traded without giving up a top ten pick then so can Smith

I understand the sentiment of not giving up another pick to unload smith but...:

1. Look at the pick given to CHA as a dead cost anyway. Its done so theres no point harping on it.

2. If we unload smith we open up the logjam and unleash that monstrosity known as Andre Drummond.

3. Drummond improves next year and catapults us into becoming a top 10 or so team in the league.

4. Thus we give a late 1st round pick - yes there are gems in this spot too but if win-now is the mantra than we wont give said player a chance to develop ala afflalo.

I do have to agree though - bargs and gay were traded w/o picks being given ( in fact they were received), but the 2 teams were desperate. It will take a very desperate team to take smith. Im looking at NYK. They want to keep melo and have to show something to keep him.

[ALL HAIL]

I respect what you're saying, but Gay and Bargnani aren't comparable to Smith, because when they were traded they had two less years remaining on their contracts.

You'll get what you want for Smith two years from now when he has a year and half left on his deal.

[sc8581]

lol "might". are you kidding? the cavs would **** themselves if we offered monroe for waiters.

I don't believe they would

you're telling me they wouldn't want to trade a CAREER 6th man for a franchise big??? you're outta your mind boy

Monroe isn't a franchise big and I don't know that Waiters is a career 6th man. There are also financial implications since Monroe will be making $10M more per year than Waiters after this season.

[sfballa13]

Just read the ESPN insider article regarding the trade deadline overall one stupid trade after another. Im not posting anything word for word it's all rephrased so dont get on my case for posting quoted material from articles.

Philadelphia 76ers receive: Harrison Barnes, Marreese Speights and Festus Ezeli
Golden State Warriors receive: Thaddeus Young and Brandon Davies
- So Barnes can be had for a player the warriors have no use for (young) as long as they have Lee?

Memphis Grizzlies receive: Arron Afflalo and Jason Maxiell
Orlando Magic receive: Ed Davis, Tayshaun Prince and a 2017 protected first-round pick (top eight)
-Orlando can do better with an AA trade in their sleep. This guy must be smoking some pretty good stuff

New York Knicks receive: Kyle Lowry and Dwight Buycks
Toronto Raptors receive: Tim Hardaway Jr., Raymond Felton, Cole Aldrich and a 2018 lottery-protected first-round pick
- So Knicks give up their top young prospect in Hardaway Jr and a lottery pick for Lowry? Give me a break

The SI article is even funnier with a Greg Monroe trade as it's centerpiece:
Thunder acquire: Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, and Kyle Singler
Pistons acquire: Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams, Perry Jones, Kendrick Perkins, and an unprotected 2015 first round pick
- Id want a bit more than those players and would prefer to dump Jerebko and Datome as part of the deal

The one trade that caught my eye was Korver for Gerald Henderson.
If ATL is willing to make this deal why couldnt we trade Stuckey to them. It solves our 3pt / SF problem in one move.

What do you guys think of these suggested trades?

[MotownMadness]

I really like this trade idea that SI proposed. Gives us two young high potential players one being our SG and the other being a backup big in Adams. I'm not sure how good Jones is looking these days though. It would suck taking on Perkins but I think there's enough value here to do it.

Thunder acquire: Greg Monroe, Rodney Stuckey, and Kyle Singler
Pistons acquire: Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams, Perry Jones, Kendrick Perkins, and an unprotected 2015 first round pick

The primary motivation for this hypothetical deal isn’t to accommodate Josh Smith in Detroit, but to alleviate what could be a tricky long-term pairing between Monroe and Andre Drummond. Youth and talent alone don’t ensure their compatibility; over the last two seasons, the tandem of Monroe and Drummond has yielded results ranging from passable to disastrous depending on other lineup particulars. That doesn’t give me much confidence from a teambuilding standpoint, particularly with Monroe set for a massive pay increase as a restricted free agent this summer.

THOMSEN: Biggest questions entering the trade deadline

So instead of seeing the Pistons sign Monroe to a big contract in the hopes of sorting out the rest later, I’m steering them to circumvent the issue entirely. Were there any capacity for ranged scoring between Monroe and Drummond, there might be hope for greater offensive synergy. Were there more promise in Monroe’s slow-footed defensive game, the two might make for a more formidable pair. As it stands, though, Monroe and Drummond are a clumsy enough fit to inspire some serious doubt in their long-term viability, and therein incite just this kind of make-believe move.

That said, it’s never easy to build a trade around a free agent, particularly when a player like Monroe already needs a very specific ecosystem of surrounding skills and rotation pieces in order to account for his limitations. To pile complication on complication, Monroe’s rookie-scale salary also makes it difficult to find a return package that would give the Pistons a fair return while keeping within the NBA’s salary-matching rules. There’s a reasonable market for Monroe, still, though those factors leave it much slighter than one might initially think.

Of those possibilities, there’s something particularly alluring in the prospect of Monroe landing in OKC. The Thunder are a team without defining weakness, and thus without need to make a move of this magnitude. Yet the opportunity to add another quality big while shedding the salary owed to Kendrick Perkins might be enticing enough to keep Sam Presti on the line.

For all the value Perkins still has as a team defender, he’s an easily identifiable and wholly exploitable flaw in the Thunder’s offensive structure. Many opponents don’t even pretend to guard him; defenders are able to stray away from Perkins with near impunity, eating into the working space and angles of the Thunder creators. Swapping out Perkins for Monroe solves this problem entirely, as if nothing else Monroe projects as enough of a scoring threat to keep opponents honest.

[Piston Pete]

^^^ I'd do that deal if we could flip PJ3 and Perkins for a SF, like Harrison Barnes.

[Spider156]

Yeah PJ3 and Perkins for Barnes would be nice. Although why not just do a Monroe and CV for Barnes and Lee? Stuckey can get in there too.

[Spider156]

I'm just wondering what's going on in the league. Why aren't there any trades going on? I hate how GMs just leave it until the last minute to decide what they want to do. Kinda like how you leave your homework to do it the night before it's due. I did that. Irresponsible if you ask me.

[jakebernat]

Monroe isn't a franchise big and I don't know that Waiters is a career 6th man. There are also financial implications since Monroe will be making $10M more per year than Waiters after this season.

name FOUR centers under 25 you would rather have than monroe. drummond and cousins? okay, who else? lopez? kanter? valanciuanas??

cleveland would be floored if we offered monroe for thompson, a fringe starter who would come off the bench on a good team, and waiters, a malcontent chucker who was a 6th man in college and continues to be a 6th man in the pros. you either have a horrible bias against monroe or are just that incognizant.

and as far as "financial implications" go, cleveland is/should be more focused on simply adding as much talent as possible to build around kyrie. they could theoretically sign deng and monroe long term while also extending kyrie without going over the luxary tax assuming they offered AT LEAST thompson and waiters.

this is a stupid argument. i would never in a millions years accept thompson & waiters for monroe, and i have to make a case for cleveland accepting it???

[SamFlow]

deng, tristian, waiters
for
monroe, stuckey, cv, jerebko

Keep monroe and let the other three go, keep stuckey if they want.

tristian at backup f and c.....deng trial at sf...waiters at sg.

That seems a bit more real for me.....

[jakebernat]

Yeah PJ3 and Perkins for Barnes would be nice. Although why not just do a Monroe and CV for Barnes and Lee? Stuckey can get in there too.

i'd love to add barnes in a monroe trade, but why would GS move lee to add monroe? lee is a true PF fits their team already, and they're paying out the ass for bogut at center.

i know this sounds crazy, but i think GS could potentially be a perfect fit for smoove. he'd team with iggy and bogut to form the best defensive frontcourt in basketball, and he'd have plenty of room to operate by playing with the best shooting backcourt in basketball.

here's a quick 3-team deal i put together:
DET trades: josh smith, kyle singler
DET receives: harrison barnes, emeka okafor

GS trades: david lee, harrison barnes
GS receives: josh smith, kyle singler, 2014 1st round draft picks from pheonix

PHO trades: emeka okafor, 2014 1st round draft picks
PHO receives: david lee

i honestly feel that satisfies major needs for all 3 teams. golden state adds major defense/athleticism to their frontcourt, a solid role player in singler, and 1st rounders in a stacked draft that could ultimately help extend their championship window.
phoenix gets the proven PF that they've been looking for to help them in their playoff run.
we finally get our SF of the future and major cap relief.

the know the smith mob squad's gonna tear me a new as/shole for even thinking this is a plausible deal, but i think it makes a ton of sense

[sfballa13]

Yeah PJ3 and Perkins for Barnes would be nice. Although why not just do a Monroe and CV for Barnes and Lee? Stuckey can get in there too.

i'd love to add barnes in a monroe trade, but why would GS move lee to add monroe? lee is a true PF fits their team already, and they're paying out the ass for bogut at center.

i know this sounds crazy, but i think GS could potentially be a perfect fit for smoove. he'd team with iggy and bogut to form the best defensive frontcourt in basketball, and he'd have plenty of room to operate by playing with the best shooting backcourt in basketball.

here's a quick 3-team deal i put together:
DET trades: josh smith, kyle singler
DET receives: harrison barnes, emeka okafor

GS trades: david lee, harrison barnes
GS receives: josh smith, kyle singler, 2014 1st round draft picks from pheonix

PHO trades: emeka okafor, 2014 1st round draft picks
PHO receives: david lee

i honestly feel that satisfies major needs for all 3 teams. golden state adds major defense/athleticism to their frontcourt, a solid role player in singler, and 1st rounders in a stacked draft that could ultimately help extend their championship window.
phoenix gets the proven PF that they've been looking for to help them in their playoff run.
we finally get our SF of the future and major cap relief.

the know the smith mob squad's gonna tear me a new as/shole for even thinking this is a plausible deal, but i think it makes a ton of sense

There is no need to get Phoenix involved.

Smith, Stuckey for Barnes,Lee, Filler (Bazemore/Nedovic)

Or make it a three team deal:

To Warriors: Stuckey, Smith
To Cavs: Monroe, Lee, Jerebko, Datome, Bynum
To Pistons: Barnes, Thompson, Waiters, Jack, Varejao

Who says no?

Pistons lineup:

Jennings / Jack
Waiters / KCP
Barnes / Singler
Thompson / Harrelson
Drummond / Varejao

Even Cavs lineup is much more balanced: Irving - Miles - Deng - Lee - Monroe
- Cavs dump two huge deals in Varejao and Jack while taking on a productive Lee and franchise C in Monroe.

Warriors: Curry - Thompson - Iggy - Smith - Bogut
Warriors give up Barnes who is playing like crap this year and Lee for a huge boost to their bench and a big upgrade defensively to their starting lineup in Smith. Plus Smith wont be able to jack shots with Curry and Thompson taking the majority of the shots every game anyways.

[MotownMadness]

One small rumor I heard that I really like is Bynum for Bayless.

[Q00]

Its so funny how the Knicks are the most talked about team when it comes to pursuing the best players in trades, because they literally have no assets to offer anyone lol (if you exclude Melo)

[sfballa13]

One small rumor I heard that I really like is Bynum for Bayless.

Anything to get that POS Bynum off this roster. He doesnt belong in Detroit anymore.

Warriors, Cavs, Suns, Sixers are all desperate for trades if Dumars doesnt make a move he is a moron