Houston Coming after Dunleavy, Bulls unwilling to move him

Mightymosdef · Post #41 » by **Mightymosdef** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:46 pm

AJB wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:Thanks, that's my point exactly. MDJ is the only shooter yet still is behind in PER & is only 2 points ahead of Marco from last season.

Last season Marco was playing with Nate who eats up shots but still was 2 points less.

Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

Bisonbull8 · Post #42 » by **Bisonbull8** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:46 pm

Jimmy Forums wrote:There will be rumors, but there's rarely ever going to be a move.

Oh, I would do your hypothetical trade too, but I don't think Phoenix would ever just jump in and include Boozer for Okafor. All that does is give them a big guaranteed contract rather than a big contract covered with insurance money, or whatever that report was. If they wanted to deal him, there're better options.

Yup, ever since that season we were an avg SG away from being the best team (most likely) with all the rumors going around that got me hyped up, then never happened. I realized no matter what. Dont believe them until it happens. So when I do here rumors now, ill just throw out hypotheticals that id do if the rumors were true.

And the only reason I threw in the Boozer for Okafor is so we keep a 3 man big rotation for everyone to get their minutes. 28 for Jones, 34 for taj and noah (which is a little more than avg for both) or something like that. But like you said, not sure if the suns do it or not.

Mightymosdef · Post #43 » by **Mightymosdef** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:47 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:
He wouldn't be putting those numbers up in a Bulls team where the only shooter is MDJ? But on the Spurs where there's more depth he can? Logical

Using this point if the bulls had more shooters and better scorers on the court. MDJ could put up similar numbers because he wouldn't be only long distance threat out there. I'd rather compare numbers while playing in situations (On the chicago bulls) rather then looking at a team like the spurs were there is obviously more offensive threats on the court then what we have here.

I just think some people think younger & flash = better player

Unlikely, more shots distributed means less points..obviously, just better offense as a whole tho.

Hangtime84 · Post #44 » by **Hangtime84** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:48 pm

Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:Thanks, that's my point exactly. MDJ is the only shooter yet still is behind in PER & is only 2 points ahead of Marco from last season.

Last season Marco was playing with Nate who eats up shots but still was 2 points less.

Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

Only point i see is Marco wasn't doing as well in chicago. And the bulls simply need more offensive players

Axl Rose · Post #45 » by **Axl Rose** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:49 pm

panthermark wrote:If it is Morey...you gotta be careful. He probably wants the Bulls to give Houston the Cat's pick for unloading MDJ.

lol you're probably right

WesleyExChiFan · Post #46 » by **WesleyExChiFan** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:49 pm

Why would you deal with Morey anyway? Let him want. Trade Dunleavy to OKC just to spite him.

Red8911 · Post #47 » by **Red8911** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:56 pm

Isn't Jones the guy who kept chucking 3s and bricking them against us? If its him why do u guys want him? Hes a clown.

dice · Post #48 » by **dice** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:03 pm

Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:I'll take Dunleavy over Marco too.

Marco wasn't even that good when he was here.

You can take a 33 year old MDJ over a Marco that's 27, the best 3 pt shooter, and better in PER ranking.

I'd rather have the better player.

PER is a stupid stat. but dunleavy's career PER is significantly higher

and marco is not the best 3 pt shooter

Stratmaster · Post #49 » by **Stratmaster** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:10 pm

Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:Thanks, that's my point exactly. MDJ is the only shooter yet still is behind in PER & is only 2 points ahead of Marco from last season.

Last season Marco was playing with Nate who eats up shots but still was 2 points less.

Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

And somehow you think that point supports your position, when in fact, it does the opposite. A 3 point shooter cannot excel without other scoring threats. Most open 3 point shots come about because defenses are having to pay attention to other scoring threats on the floor, allowing the 3 point shooter to slide away from the defense and into an open position at the 3 point line. A 3 point shooter who has to force shots when guarded, or is the only offensive threat, is going to see their shooting percentage drop like a lead balloon.

6_Rings · Post #50 » by **6_Rings** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:17 pm

Kirk + Mdj for Jeremy Lin. do it Garpax.

Evil_Headband · Post #51 » by **Evil_Headband** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:28 pm

6_Rings wrote:Kirk + Mdj for Jeremy Lin. do it Garpax.

I'm sure Reinsdorf is completely comfortable paying Lin $15 million next year.

pylb · Post #52 » by **pylb** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:30 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:
6_Rings wrote:Kirk + Mdj for Jeremy Lin. do it Garpax.

I'm sure Reinsdorf is completely comfortable paying Lin $15 million next year.

On that note, trade Gibson for Asik.

Mightymosdef · Post #53 » by **Mightymosdef** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:35 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:
Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

And somehow you think that point supports your position, when in fact, it does the opposite. A 3 point shooter cannot excel without other scoring threats. Most open 3 point shots come about because defenses are having to pay attention to other scoring threats on the floor, allowing the 3 point shooter to slide away from the defense and into an open position at the 3 point line. A 3 point shooter who has to force shots when guarded, or is the only offensive threat, is going to see their shooting percentage drop like a lead balloon.

Yet MDJ has excelled without other scoring threats at the 3..

Bluewaterheaven · Post #54 » by **Bluewaterheaven** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:37 pm

Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:Thanks, that's my point exactly. MDJ is the only shooter yet still is behind in PER & is only 2 points ahead of Marco from last season.

Last season Marco was playing with Nate who eats up shots but still was 2 points less.

Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

Your point makes no sense though... He is the only shooter, so therefore teams can guard MDJ better. When Marco was here, teams had to account for Nate. using your logic, MDJ should be putting up worse numbers then Marco's time here because he should not be as open as Marco.

Honestly, Marco fits the Spurs system, but here Marco would be putting up pretty bad numbers as out only shooter.

Mightymosdef · Post #55 » by **Mightymosdef** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:37 pm

dice wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:I'll take Dunleavy over Marco too.

Marco wasn't even that good when he was here.

You can take a 33 year old MDJ over a Marco that's 27, the best 3 pt shooter, and better in PER ranking.

I'd rather have the better player.

PER is a stupid stat. but dunleavy's career PER is significantly higher

and marco is not the best 3 pt shooter

Yes a stat that many professionals look at is stupid..right.

My bad he's currently #2 he was #1. Funny..MDJ isn't even top 25 lol.

6_Rings · Post #56 » by **6_Rings** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:43 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:
6_Rings wrote:Kirk + Mdj for Jeremy Lin. do it Garpax.

I'm sure Reinsdorf is completely comfortable paying Lin $15 million next year.

Only 8m counts cap-wise. Mdj earns at least 10m. Anybody correct me if am wrong

Mightymosdef · Post #57 » by **Mightymosdef** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:43 pm

Bluewaterheaven wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:
AJB wrote:
Marco

2012-13: 10.4 PER, .513 TS%, .460 eFG%, .357 3P%, .395 FG%

Dunleavy

2013-14: 13.0 PER, .548 TS%, .516 eFG%, .380 3P%, .437 FG%

And as I said..MDJ is the only shooter whereas Marco wasn't last season. Heck you even made that point for me lol.

Your point makes no sense though... He is the only shooter, so therefore teams can guard MDJ better. When Marco was here, teams had to account for Nate. using your logic, MDJ should be putting up worse numbers then Marco's time here because he should not be as open as Marco.

Honestly, Marco fits the Spurs system, but here Marco would be putting up pretty bad numbers as out only shooter.

Not really, MDJ gets up more shots 4-9 whereas Marco hits .5 of his while taking less.

Evil_Headband · Post #58 » by **Evil_Headband** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:53 pm

6_Rings wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:
6_Rings wrote:Kirk + Mdj for Jeremy Lin. do it Garpax.

I'm sure Reinsdorf is completely comfortable paying Lin $15 million next year.

Only 8m counts cap-wise. Mdj earns at least 10m. Anybody correct me if am wrong

Seriously?

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #59 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:55 pm

Mightymosdef wrote:
Yes a stat that many professionals look at is stupid..right.

My bad he's currently #2 he was #1. Funny..MDJ isn't even top 25 lol.

Many professionals look at raw fg% too - should we debate the merit of that stat?

Harmoo · Post #60 » by **Harmoo** » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:55 pm

I never understood the "omg trade dunleavy for anything!!!!1" fervor. We all agree that the Bulls lack shooting and yet somehow the Bulls only pureshooter is expendable? On a good deal, no less?

Why not Keep Dunleavy and try to sign someone like Marco/Gordon/Granger in the off-season? You know, actually increase the Bulls shooting ability.

Mightymosdef wrote:
dice wrote:
Mightymosdef wrote:
You can take a 33 year old MDJ over a Marco that's 27, the best 3 pt shooter, and better in PER ranking.

I'd rather have the better player.

PER is a stupid stat. but dunleavy's career PER is significantly higher

and marco is not the best 3 pt shooter

Yes a stat that many professionals look at is stupid..right.

My bad he's currently #2 he was #1. Funny..MDJ isn't even top 25 lol.

Logical fallacy. If many professionals claimed Ronnie Brewer was a top 10 SG, would that make it any less false?

Marco may be the "better" player but Dunleavy is better for the Bulls, as evidenced by the differences in their numbers during their respective tenures here.