Prime Gilbert Arenas or Current John Wall?

[TrosstheBOSS]

I pick prime gilbert areanas agent 0 was his nick name arguably one of the best players in the nba at that time. he hit gamewinners and buzzerbeaters left and right. I think he could still play in the nba he cant do any worst than Eric Maynor right?

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgrmUy8PVA0[/youtube]

I never tire of watching this.

How about this one, nate....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7ap-hsPvUo[/youtube]

Remember when he promised to drop 50 on the Suns after he was cut from the Team USA roster?
And he banks in the long game sealing dagger 3 at the end of OT... Just filthy

[Higga]

I still remember Gil's buzzer beater in the playoffs to beat Chicago. I literally ran around my house screaming in cheers.

Lets see if Wall can deliver something like that in the clutch this post season.

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Just listening to Buck announcing that game, he seems way more excited and into it than today.

[pancakes3]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1OTZGa7tTY&t=2m57s[/youtube]

Look at how he has a long two but decides to go for the layup instead.

[daSwami]

oops, double post.

[daSwami]

Who can forget Gil's game winner where he raised his arms and walked away without watching it go in?
That has to be in the top 10 game winners of all time, even though it wasn't a playoff game, just because of the sheer amount of balls it takes to raise your arms like "ayo I'm THAT DUDE" before it even went in.

Which one? Gil had a bunch of game-winners. One season it seemed like every other game ended with Gil taking his man off dribble, creating space and pulling up for a game-winning three. It was uncanny.

I think he had 2 or 3 in this very month:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgrmUy8PVA0[/youtube]

Ah yes. I was actually at that game. In fact, I think you can see me (and Pine, too) in the crowd on the replay.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think you are going a bit far......Our FO screwed the pooch with stupid personnel decisions, devaluing Gil and AB was dumb. Trading pick 5 was dumb. These decisions cratered the franchise.......

Trading the fifth overall pick that year was inexcusable. I hated the move at the time.

But the FO didn't devalue Gil and Blatche. If anything we massively overvalued them. Those guys killed their own value. Gil ruined what was left of his career with Gungate. That was his decision. Gil was an unprofessional, immature manchild and no team built around him as their franchise player was ever going to be legit. THAT was our biggest mistake. And his actions and subsequent suspension crushed us, crushed any chance at salvaging that era. It compounded the mistake of trading the draft pick, and the mistake of paying him and building the team around him. And we paid for it--Gil's flameout plunged us into 5 straight 50+ loss seasons.

Blatche was a bum. If anything we overvalued him based on a small stretch of good games. Blatche got chance after chance. And he dug his hole deeper every time.

I enjoyed Gil because he was fun but I never believed in those teams or felt they were legit. John is legit. That's something I've pretty much never doubted. He's going to be SO much more successful than Gil was.

Revisionist history bro. I swear I'd expect that post from a non-Wizards fan.. not someone that supposedly knows the team through and through.

We weren't undone by Gil's gun-gate. We were undone by Ernie. His complete mismanagement of the cap, his questionable roster moves, his coaching decisions and the toxic culture in which no one was held accountable that he never sought to change. Only difference b/w Ernie now and then is that Ernie had more power under Abe. Abe was dying a slow death, in a wheelchair sleeping most of the day with random moments of consciousness. The owner's dying wish was to win and win now so Ernie trades a high lottery pick for the expiring contracts of reserves Randy Foye & Mike Miller. Yeah, way to piss on the grave of the owner that believed and trusted in you.

The man can't even fulfill a dying man's wish without making the franchise a laughing stock after his death.

In Ernie we trust I guess.

Gun-gate doesn't happen if the culture where anything goes didn't exist. Gun-gate also only got out to the public because Ernie threw Arenas under the bus (see leak to Vescey at NY Post) ... because he saw a potential way to get out of a bad contract he negotiated.

The culture was terrible and there was absolutely no accountability before gun-gate. That season, Flip's first as Wizards coach, we were coming apart at the seams with Gil being a shell of his former self and the constant bickering b/w Caron and Gil. We were 3-4 games under .500 when gun gate happened. Caron had lost a step but his attitude was on 10. Jamison was still the Leader of Men who lead by example, especially on defense. Stevenson was brutally bad on the court. Foye turned out to be the scrub everyone knew he already was. Young, McGee & Blatche were all young players soaking up the atmosphere where everyone did their own thing. The team was in chaos. Add in a crazy nut case like Critt (Thanks Ernie - we traded a 1st rd pick for a future murderer!) and we had a recipe for disaster.

But lets forget all of that and simply blame it ALL on Gil. That's a much simpler answer really, even if it's completely wrong.

Unbelievable. How much are you going to bend over backwards to ignore that fact that Gil BROUGHT HIS **** GUNS INTO THE LOCKER ROOM!!! Not Ernie. Not Caron. Not Jamison. Not Flip. Not even Javaris **** Crittitenton. It was Gil. Gil brought his guns into the locker room.

Who is all of the rest of your post even arguing with?

I don't give Ernie a pass for his role in farce this team was. It was a terrible mistake to build around Gil in the first place, to give him that big contract, to trade the draft pick for role players to put around him, to hand out all of the money Because Gil was such a **** up. He was not someone you build team around. That goes to the heart of the question of the OP right? That's what so many people in the thread are flat out ignoring because they don't like talking about what a **** up Gil was.

Building around Gil as the franchise guy was a bad plan from day one. This is before the injury. Before gun gate. When Gil was at his peak for those three years. Those teams were never legit, never serious, never good with or without Gil. Not the least of which because you can't build a good team around a player and personality like Gil. The construction was certainly falling apart that season before Gungate happened. Gungate finished it off and made sure Gil's career was completely over. And if any one pissed on Abe's grave, it was Gil for doing that.

[Brenice]

Gil got thrown under the bus to get rid of the contract. People over blow UNLOADED guns with NO BULLETS in a locker room in a chair, not aimed at anyone, but rather, with a note to Crittenden to "pick one" to use when he shoots Gilbert in the knee. It was joke, a bad joke that ended up with Gilbert under the bus. Because I don't doubt for 1 second that a LOADED gun with management knowledge, has never been in a NBA locker room.

Wall has a long way to go to reach Agent Zero, pre-injury level. It's really not close. As good a scorer as Kyrie is, he isnt the scorer Agent Zero was, yet. People forget Gil in the 4th quarters. You knew the Wiz had a chance to win if behind. With Wall; you can feel helpless win behind.

[hands11]

Prime Gilbert v. Current John.

Not close.

How about trying Apples and Apples. This was already posted but here it is again.

http://bkref.com/tiny/E0Fm4

Now lets see how Wall finishes out the year so we can really compare.

One is a true PG. One is a SG playing the point.

Not a good comparison. Compare Gil to Harden. Thats a closer comparison.