Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

[DK-All Day]

BOS ---> Rondo, Crash, Faverani
BOS <--- Parsons, Lin, Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st, Houston 2015 1st

HOU ---> Parsons, Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 2015 1st, Knicks 2014 2nd
HOU <--- Rondo, Crash, Faverani

PHI ---> Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st
PHI <--- Asik, Motiejunas, Knicks 2014 2nd

Putrid for the Sixers and I wouldn't do that trade If I were the Celtics.

[DK-All Day]

BOS ---> Rondo, Crash, Faverani
BOS <--- Parsons, Lin, Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st, Houston 2015 1st

HOU ---> Parsons, Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 2015 1st, Knicks 2014 2nd
HOU <--- Rondo, Crash, Faverani

PHI ---> Hawes, Pelicans 2014 1st
PHI <--- Asik, Motiejunas, Knicks 2014 2nd

Putrid for the Sixers and I wouldn't do that trade If I were the Celtics.

[kenifpassion]

How about Rondo/Bogans for Rose and their CHA pick ?

Chicago becomes a legitimate contender while Boston gets Rondos replacement.

Rose is an injury prone.

[Gant]

How about Rondo/Bogans for Rose and their CHA pick ?

Chicago becomes a legitimate contender while Boston gets Rondos replacement.

No way you give up Bogans.

He's hardly missed a shot the whole year.

[OFWGKTA]

I don't get why so many people are all about trading Rondo. He's basically our best draw for other marquee players to come play here.

[soxfan2003]

I want to breakdown this post real quick:

They look at the team going forward not backward: They look for the team with the pieces that will enable them to win now, not potentially win in 2-3 years if everything goes 100% the way they have to. Kevin Love, turning 26 years old. Do you think he wants to spend his prime on another rebuilding squads where the "youth" MAY pan out to be what Rondo currently is? There have been so many lottery misses compared to lottery hits in the past two decades your making an incredible assumption that any of these players will even sniff the success and accolades that Rondo has accumulated at the ripe old age of 27.

This is how you are starting and ending most of your thoughts.

"Let's just assume" "If Embid was looking like" "Hypothetically, Kevin Love MAY prioritize" "Jordan's defense hasn't always been good, but by most reports" "By most accounts, players look at the entire situation"

Doesn't this raise a red flag for you? You're talking about a perfect storm of IF's & Hypotheticals that would make a genie jealous...I understand you don't like or value Rondo and need to give your opinion in every Rondo discussion, but this is getting out of control.

If 2008 KG/and 2008 Ray Allen are available and it can work cap wise which it can't... I'd be the first one to say trade all of the picks. I know the lottery odds.

Second, Rondo is 28 in 4 days and will be 29 by the end of next year.

Third, this discussion isn't just about Rondo, its about reality and where the Celtics are at.

Rondo by consensus opinion is probably a "third star" on a championship team who will be 29 by the time the Celtics even have a chance to start to be good again but with a lot to prove to get back to that level.

Someone like Love may be a "second star" on a championship team but even he has a lot to prove that his game holds up in the playoffs.

Either way, the Celtics are counting on the draft unless they can trade picks for mega talents like 2008 KG/Durant etc.

1. The KG/Ray Allen trades were 4 years in the making starting with DA shipping out 'Toine. I'm 100% sure that back in 2003 DA didn't say to himself I'm going to lineup assets to get KG and Ray Allen after the 2006 season. Just because said stars aren't available today doesn't mean they won't be in 12 months/18months/24months: You can't predict who's going to come available at any time. People who are hoping for a one year turn around are terribly mislead. The last turnaround was really about 4 years.

2. What is your fascination with age? If he's a "third star" like you're talking about it then there's no reason that Rondo won't play "third star" basketball for the next 5-7 years. The probability of your hype machine binkies to sniff what Rondo has accomplished by 27 is really low.

3. The state of the Celtics: The hard truth is that we're in good shape regardless of whether we do anything at the deadline or not. The key to the Celtics is to be PATIENT. The last thing the C's need to to is go Detroit Pistons and piss away their assets and flexibility for sake of making a move. Cleveland when LeBron was there. Made a rash of panic decisions.

I'm 100% prepared for another lousy year next year before contending again in 2015. Just as I've said numerous times last offseason.

No one is peaching patience much more then me. And patient rebuilding teams(Seattle/OKC with Ray Allen) aren't afraid to trade their stars even after a great season.

It was Ainge's drafting, 2007 tanking and friendship with McHale that put the Celtics in position to recover from the bad Walker trade. Perkins/Jefferson/Rondo etc.

What am I advocating? Giving Danny Ainge more "high quality" draft picks and/or young players with potential since he has tended to draft well and then know the appropriate time to try for the blockbuster trade if its even necessary.

Unless Ainge is very convinced Rondo will sign for a substantial discount, I'm advocating trading Rondo for (good) picks not picks expected to be in the 20's. If teams don't offer a good deal for Rondo, don't do it. Picks are well known to being highly valued assets.

You may be tremendously impressed with Rondo's resume. I just think its very good and there are better players who just happened to not play with as much talent.

Bottom line: If Rondo plays very well the rest of this season and keeps shooting well from 3, I'd have no issue with signing him to 3 years, 37.5 million which is recent Tony Parker money even with a no trade clause thrown in if that was humanly possible. At that price/contract length, I realize it may make sense and be worthwhile gamble. But what are the odds of Rondo signing for those numbers on a rebuilding team? Very little unless his play isn't looking very good by the end of the season. And its not like I'm opposed to the Celtics giving Rondo money. We all know next year will be another rebuilding year in all likelihood so I wouldn't mind the Celtics tearing up his contract and giving him 25 million next year and then 10 million each of the following 3 years. 55 million for 4 years is above Tony Parker money but if the Celtics could structure a deal like that it would make sense since his cap number would be reasonable as he got older. But they can't according to the CBA.

[KGboss]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

[Avalanche]

It makes no sense...

They expire the same time, have to pay them both bucketloads next season, neither are the trade asset Rondo is, neither is young or talented enough to build around, pick isnt high..

no incentive there whatsoever, Danny's better than that

[StojkoVrankovic]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

bucher mentioned that Ainge would take that package



You can't spin that as a good trade

[Celts17Pride]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

If it's on facebook then it must be true.

[ryaningf]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

Other than what I'm reading in your post, I haven't seen this anywhere.

Maybe LBF can speak to it, but it seems like after a hectic 24 hours of 'reports' that amounted to nothing more than various teams' proposed trades, it's gone very quiet. Could mean there was nothing to begin with...or it could mean something big's cooking.

[Celts17Pride]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

Other than what I'm reading in your post, I haven't seen this anywhere.

Maybe LBF can speak to it, but it seems like after a hectic 24 hours of 'reports' that amounted to nothing more than various teams' proposed trades, it's gone very quiet. Could mean there was nothing to begin with...or it could mean something big's cooking.

When the Celtics were going after Asik reports came out from within the Celtics media that no way would the Celtics include Jeff Green in any deal for Asik. So given that I find it hard to believe that Asik, Lin and a 1st rounder can get Houston Rondo.

Honestly that is a pretty horrible trade for Rondo. Also this rumor came from Ric Bucher and Bleacher Report. Enough said.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

bucher mentioned that Ainge would take that package



You can't spin that as a good trade

I've read Parsons could be involved and it's interesting Ainge.

Not that I want a Rondo trade.

Probably BS anyway.

[brackdan70]

Sacramento offer is good, but should happen on draft day, because SAC pick will be lower. Plus they can not trade 2014 first rounder now if Im not mistaken (top 12 protected going to CHI).

But yes on draft day:
- Mclemore
- Top5 pick
- Thomas
- 2017 first rounder (2015 probably going to CHI)

Than we would have to be lucky in loterry one of SAC/BOS picks to be top 3 (Parker/Wiggins). Adding a pg with other top 7 pick like Smart and suddenly you would have a great young team which could grow together.

Smart/Mclemore/Parker/Sully/???




You than draft the best C in 2015 and you are set...than its up to players to improve. This would be similar like OKC went with high draft picks.

I don't think they can trade the pick until the debt with Chicago has been settled. I believe they could draft and then trade the player they pick (for us) on draft day...but that makes it trickier. CBA still applies and they would not be able to trade any expiring contracts once the season is over. I don't think they can trade RFAs either? which Thomas is. I really don't see this one happening.

We could just give them LAC pick or a Brooklyn pick

What??, why would we give them a pick along with Rondo?

[StojkoVrankovic]

Is the Lin, Asik and First round pick for Rondo seriously picking up steam? Im seeing it all over facebook.

bucher mentioned that Ainge would take that package



You can't spin that as a good trade

I've read Parsons could be involved and it's interesting Ainge.

Not that I want a Rondo trade.

Probably BS anyway.

Parsons would be a nice piece if he was under contract for a few more seasons at a reasonable price, but he is up for a contract the same time as Rondo.

The same person leaking all this info on clutchfans also thinks Chandler will want a near max/max contract. I fail to see how that would be appealing.

[Avalanche]

Now i feel dirty even thinking about the possibility.. but just thinking out loud for a minute..

If the Lakers are looking to move Gasol and the most likely destination is Phoenix:

Lakers Out: Pau Gasol, 2014 first
Lakers In: Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace

Phoenix Out: Emeka Okafor, Archie Goodwin, first round pick (they own a few), filler (green?)
Phoenix In: Pau Gasol

Boston Out: Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace
Boston In: Emeka Okafor, Archie Goodwin, LA 1st, Additional 1st from Phx

would 2 first round picks, one in the top ten, a young talent and dumping Wallace be worth moving him?

Ok maybe not.. next

[Avalanche]

Apparently Broussard saying the Raps would love him but Rondo wouldnt sign an extension there..

Are we really being held over the barrell by a guy who isnt even a free agent for another season and a half or is all this BS?

If we're trying to find multiple first rounders, young talent AND a team that Rondo apparently wants to play for we may as well shut down the idea already...

Although really i dont expect him to be moved anyway but there sure is a lot of noise

[StojkoVrankovic]

Apparently Broussard saying the Raps would love him but Rondo wouldnt sign an extension there..

Are we really being held over the barrell by a guy who isnt even a free agent for another season and a half or is all this BS?

If we're trying to find multiple first rounders, young talent AND a team that Rondo apparently wants to play for we may as well shut down the idea already...

Although really i dont expect him to be moved anyway but there sure is a lot of noise

1. Chris Broussard
2. No **** Chris Broussard

[Captain_Caveman]

Apparently Broussard saying the Raps would love him but Rondo wouldnt sign an extension there..

Are we really being held over the barrell by a guy who isnt even a free agent for another season and a half or is all this BS?

If we're trying to find multiple first rounders, young talent AND a team that Rondo apparently wants to play for we may as well shut down the idea already...

Although really i dont expect him to be moved anyway but there sure is a lot of noise

Been posting for weeks about exactly how much leverage Rondo has in this. He's not getting traded somewhere he doesn't want to go. Further, his trade value goes down every day. No one is giving up value for a guy they aren't assured will stay with them. And if he wants to leave for nothing in 2015, there's nothing we can do about it.

That doesn't mean we need to push the panic button, because dude will likely stay if we break the bank for him and assemble a good team by 2015. But there is definitely a calculus involved here regarding the nexus of his current and future trade value, our willingness to pay his market value, our ability to create a top team by 2015 and his level of flight risk at that time.

[Wes-J]

Are we really being held over the barrell by a guy who isnt even a free agent for another season and a half or is all this BS?

Yep. That's pretty much the rub with Rondo.

Narrow down the trading field to his liking.