Nene

[Hypnotizer]

Nene made a couple really sweet spin moves for power dunks last night.

I liked more p&r with John with strong move for dunks. Frye had good start with his three-pointers, but later Nene ate him. Channing isn't really good defender.

Hope we can make the same at Utah tonite.

[Upper Decker]

Nene should be dominate, but he rarely is. This ticks me off more than anything with him. He should be a consistent 20/10 guy. He has almost every desirable skill from a big man. Size, strength, quickness, hands, passing ability, passable jumper, great post game on offense and defense, good help defender. He should be better than Dwight. Last night Nene showed, at times, he can be the unquestioned best player on the floor. Watch tonight, he'll get blasted by Enes Kanter...

[stevemcqueen1]

Nene's consistency is an issue mostly because he is never 100% IMO. Most of the season he's fluctuating between 60 and 70 % I bet.

Also, Nene's game just isn't about the numbers. He's like Hibbert and Marc Gasol in that way. They're the kings of the 12 & 7 game where they completely dominate and control the floor.

I'm fairly happy with what Nene's done this season given his Achilles. My only big complaint is his FT shooting. I thought he turned a corner when he shot 73% from the line. He hasn't shot FTs this poorly before. If he was back around 70% and got the calls he deserves, he would be on pace to setting his career high in scoring this season, despite only playing 29 MPG.

[payitforward]

Nene made a couple really sweet spin moves for power dunks last night. He is looking lighter on his feet then I have seen in a while. He seems to have gotten over the hump from the day to day struggles he was having. I haven't heard any official reports saying that, but you can see it. He just has a lot more energy and doesn't move like he is half injured.

This is the best shape I have seen him in, in a long while. Dude is a tank. So strong. And he has great hands on defense. Just takes the ball from people sometimes. He is quick with his feet and hands for such a big dude.

I also noticed he didn't complain to the refs as much last night. Kind of just bit his lip a lot.

8-15, 8 rbs, 2 assists, 1 block and 18 pts in 33 mins.

We done Sr Nene. Well done.



I'm not in the ship Nene out of town camp. He is to valuable to this team. He is an anchor in the post. And he isn't really over paid for what he brings to the team. Maybe 1M high. Maybe. Maybe 1M low.

Now if someone can just get through to him to change his FT shooting so he isn't line drive pushing the ball at the rim, but instead lofting it into the rim, he could be even better. He has been a over .700 from the line player several year in the past. I want to see him lock down and focus on getting to .740 He is a pro. Get it done Nene.

Count me as a Nene fan.

I've always been a Nene fan -- since he came into the league. But a decision on whether it'd be good to dump him and his salary has nothing to do with whether I'm a fan.

Last night was one of his best games this year -- every player looks good in his best games, however (I keep pointing out that Randy Foye once scored 29 points in a single quarter of an NBA game: you think he's a good player? No, he's not).

Not only did he rebound, but 5 of the 8 were offensive boards -- we won last night, because we got to take more shots than our opponent, and not just one or two: we had 15 more shots than the Suns. Surely it's obvious to everyone, even those who think numbers are for nimwits, that 15 extra shots helps you post a larger score than your opponent (i.e. win). Right? I hope?

But as good as his night was otherwise, he also committed 6 turnovers! So, overall, in fact he didn't have such a terrific outing -- i.e. he passed the famous "eye test" (which is your test -- see your remarks about what he looks like these days!) if your eyes were closed for those parts of the game.

Nene is not near the player he was a few years ago. He just isn't nearly as productive. And he's headed down hill -- so no way is he worth the $$$ he gets. Nor does he fit with a team where the key players should peak in the future, when he's almost certain to be even more ineffective overall than he's been this year.

Hence, absolutely, fan of this though I am, I'd be overjoyed to see him traded for a guy like Monroe or, even better, for someone expiring this year. Especially if we got a R1 pick in the deal somehow.

[hands11]

Nene should be dominate, but he rarely is. This ticks me off more than anything with him. He should be a consistent 20/10 guy. He has almost every desirable skill from a big man. Size, strength, quickness, hands, passing ability, passable jumper, great post game on offense and defense, good help defender. He should be better than Dwight. Last night Nene showed, at times, he can be the unquestioned best player on the floor. Watch tonight, he'll get blasted by Enes Kanter...

Good points Upper D. He does have all that.

If he could stay healthy and nimble like he has looked the last 3-4-5 games, he could be dominate. Specially if he could shoot FTs. He is just a tank. And a quick tank at that. He has been spinning and dunking nicely the last two games. And he is smart. A good passer. Quick hands. And while he complains a lot, dude has some nasty to him. But not in a dirty way.

Like I said, I hear they had him on a new cardio program. Had him on the treadmill pushing him hard. And they were doing something different regarding his flexibility.

The med staff got slammed a lot in the past, but they have been doing things differently ever since Wall got hurt. They rest the players much longer and let them recover. They have Beal on a min limit. Not sure what changed behind the scene, but I can see the difference.

If he can keep up with what he has done the last two game, that would be a huge lift for the team.

[fishercob]

Chump

[stevemcqueen1]

Nene played fairly well tonight. He and Ariza were the only ones who did.

[fishercob]

LOL.

NSFW!

[jivelikenice]

Nene played fairly well tonight. He and Ariza were the only ones who did.

Even if he does, you're not winning that way. His FT shooting, the lack of movement when you post him up repeatedly, and his turnovers are stagnanting the offense. Unfortunately Randy thinks its the formula for winning basketball. Is there a stats metric which whos how effective he is on pure post ups versus pick & rolls?

[hands11]

Third time is a charm.

Hey, Nene got the last shot again only this time he nailed it.

[Ruzious]

This thread's really gone nimrodious.

[SizzlinSimms]

Saw this in Simmons recent bad contract article. I'm sure a lot of you all did as well:

Category 7: Possibly Overpaid Brazilian Centers With One Name
I spent more time wondering if Nene was “Worst 30” eligible than everyone else on the list combined. Would you want to pay $39 million over three years for a half-decent center who scores 14 points a night, makes less than 50 percent of his shots, makes less than two-thirds of his free throws, has a lower PER than more than 50 centers and power forwards (including Ed Davis, one of the Plumlees and someone named Miroslav Raduljica), and grabs 1.5 rebounds per quarter? It’s a great question. Fortunately, I somehow know not one but two Wizards fans — my buddy House, and Grantland’s own Andrew Sharp — so I asked if they believed Nene was worth $13 million per year. Their responses …

Sharp: “YES. The best Wizards big man of the past 15 years was Antawn Jamison, for God’s sake. Nene is an upgrade. I don’t care what he costs or what his numbers are, he makes the whole team so much better. All big men are overpaid anyway. If Nene stays mostly healthy the next two years, that contract is fine. (But this is the Wizards, so, sure, 98 percent chance he gets hurt and I regret all this within the next 18 months.)”

House: “When Nene plays, his teams win. Only ONE player for the Washington Professional Basketball Almost Bullets in the past five years has had a tenure that features more winning games than losing games (minimum of 40 games played)?!?11 Same was true in Denver. He’s. Worth. Every. Penny. Also, don’t trot out your Neanderthal sports-page stats to try to make the case against my guy — the advanced stats love the Nene!!! If there were assisted-rebounds, he would lead the league 10 times over!!! LONG LIVE THE NENE!!!”

What’s the Portuguese phrase for “probably misguided enthusiasm”? Neneismo? Now I’m even more confused. My conclusion: We’re making Nene’s contract our Mendoza Line for this year’s Top 30. If your deal makes me feel worse than Nene’s deal, you’re on the list. Call it the Nendoza Line. Without further ado …

[Upper Decker]

Perkins pick jones salary filler done

[stevemcqueen1]

Nene's contract is fine when he's relatively healthy. Nene at 80% is worth his money. The problem is his age and injury issues. He's got an Achilles and foot injury that will probably never really go away.

[fishercob]

Seeing him up close last night was startling. He looks old. His lateral movement on D wasn't there and he recoiled on offense when met with length. I love that Toronto frontcourt.

[Nivek]

Nenê looking old? Not playing as well? Dealing with physical issues?

Shocking.

[jivelikenice]

I lost all optimism re: Nene when I saw that he came back after the summer in exactly the same shape he was last year. Shanahan ended up being a disaster but he was right about one thing; he said being in shape when you hit a certain age wasn't enough...Moss was forced to lose significant weight to keep his roster spot and it paid off. If Nene was serious about staying healthy and commiting himself, he would have come back down 20-25 pounds. That trade is the anchor to this franchise really moving forward.

[Nivek]

Agreed, jive... Nenê needs to follow Duncan's example, and lose weight. If he dropped 20-25 pounds, he'd take some stress off his aching feet/Achilles.

But, this goes back to the front office making a trade to acquire a 30+ year old guy and expecting him to play a major role. It's just a reality that athletes over 30 typically get worse and get hurt. Some guys can stave off the decline and the injuries longer than others, but eventually time catches up with everyone. What you generally get with athletes over 30 is the expensive decline portion of their career.

[hands11]

The DUNKING NENE

Not sure what these last few entries are. I think Nene has been looking more active and nimble over time since he took that last break back on Wed 12/18. At that time, I remember reading about how they had him on a new cardio program. Well he hasn't missed a game since then. That's 32 straight ago. And they have slowly ramped him up to averaging 33 min a game.

Nene/The Team actually looks like they have paced him nicely this year and is actually getting stronger vs breaking down. Props has to go to the trainers and medical staff. They seem to be doing something different then we had seen in the past. Hopefully Nene keeps getting stronger as the playoffs get closer.

When you look around the league at what people pay for a quality big, Nene is no overpaid.

Something else just came to mind. Lots of player dream of hitting the game winner from outside. But for a big, nothing must be nicer then doing it with a power dunk. Specially when you put up 30 pts that game.

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... izpelicans

[jivelikenice]

Hands, come on dude...he's been bad but he blew up yesterday (which is great). What I did notice yesterday immediately was that he was shooting with a lot more arc. I'm not sure if he noticed it, coaches pointed it out, or maybe miller did but that much change on a shots arc is more than just fresh legs.