Realistic (desperate) attempt to save the Pistons(next year)

[Phenomenonsense]

This thread assumes threethings:

A) No one wants Jennings.

B) No one wants Smith.

C) We don't make the playoffs and we also do not keep our pick.

So the first and only thing we can do this offseason to try and save this team is clear a bit more cap space, by trading JJ to Philly for a second round pick (protected to the point that it is probably nothing). They get a back up PF/SF that can: A) help them tank if they want to play big minutes, or B) he's still better than Lavoy at this point so it is still an upgrade. Also he is an expiring contract and they are actually below the cap floor and thus are paying the league money as a consequence of this. Win win.

Pistons then renounce Stuckey, CV, and decline Billups' option. If datome has an option, decline it as well. The pistons then have an approximate cap situation as the one that follows:

JSmoove 13.5 million
Jennings 8 million
Monroe 8.5 million cap hold
Bynum 2.5 million
Pope - 2.8 million
Drummond 2.5 million
(Datome) 1.8
Singler 1 million
Harrellson 1 million
Mitchell .8 million
Siva .8 million.

All in all it equals 43.1 million. Accounting for player transaction costs in the cba that count against the cap comes in by rounding to the nearest one hundred thousand.

For this to work we have got to convince Monroe not to sign with a team until after we sign one of these two players:

Go hard after Eric Bledsoe (a PG that can play some god damned defense, as I am a firm believer that Jennings is our number one defensive problem outside of the "One pass double team" scheme). If he is uninterested, go hard at Lance Stephenson.

A max contract (13.8 million starting) contract will keep us under the cap so long as Monroe does not sign with another team and tie up more of our money. We can then match Monroe's max (also 13.8) and move forward hoping that our young team develops. We hope KCP can find a shot. We hope that Smith can be reigned in. We hope Drummond develops a lot in one particular area, whatever that may be. We try to move Jennings back to a "Louis Williams" type role off of the bench.

Our line up looks like:

Bledsoe/Jennings
KCP (With 35% from 3 please)/singler
Smith/Mitchell or singler
Monroe/Smith/Jorts
Drummond/Monroe

I believe this will fix our defensive woes so long as we bring in a defensive coach. Hopefully by spending 9034234 million dollar contract at Thibs if he is in any way available. Unfortunately this is the best I've got. A first round pick, depending on the pick, may mean renouncing Siva and Mitchell to make this work still. I don't think I made anyone's panties wet by making this but for a while I've thought that this is one of our few options for improving next season.

[DBC10]

Honestly. I think this type of small trade/acquisition is what we're going to end up with. No way in hell are we going to be involved in a blockbuster that involves all-stars/stars.

As much as I want Smith and Jennings off this team, they're likely not going anywhere except maybe Jennings since he's relatively movable with his contract.

[Phenomenonsense]

Honestly. I think this type of small trade/acquisition is what we're going to end up with. No way in hell are we going to be involved in a blockbuster that involves all-stars/stars.

As much as I want Smith and Jennings off this team, they're likely not going anywhere except maybe Jennings since he's relatively movable with his contract.

Of course not, which is why I tried to make a deal like this in my head. Something that can allow Joe to pretend he didn't royally **** up, while still improving us.

[MotownMadness]

I would throw a big contract at Bledsoe. I really like him but Phoenix seems pretty dead set on keeping him so we will have to go big.

[ImHeisenberg]

I believe your 3 assumptions are right, for the most part.

I don't think Bledsoe can be picked up. I have very little doubt that Phoenix wouldn't match that offer sheet. I mean, they offered Eric Gordon a max deal a few years back, you think they won't match Bledsoe?

Lance Stephenson isn't anywhere near a max contract player- which is probably where you'd have to flirt with to steal him away from Indiana.

The thinking is logical enough in terms of how it impacts the Pistons. But, I don't think you're analyzing the external environment well enough.

[DBC10]

Man, if we can get Bledsoe though, I'd be a happy man.

He's improved a lot of his game this season in multiple categories which is why he is playing so good.

[MotownMadness]

Honestly. I think this type of small trade/acquisition is what we're going to end up with. No way in hell are we going to be involved in a blockbuster that involves all-stars/stars.

As much as I want Smith and Jennings off this team, they're likely not going anywhere except maybe Jennings since he's relatively movable with his contract.

I'm pretty confident NY would take Jennings but Dumars probably thinks Jennings is a all star or something.

[Phenomenonsense]

I believe your 3 assumptions are right, for the most part.

I don't think Bledsoe can be picked up. I have very little doubt that Phoenix wouldn't match that offer sheet. I mean, they offered Eric Gordon a max deal a few years back, you think they won't match Bledsoe?

Lance Stephenson isn't anywhere near a max contract player- which is probably where you'd have to flirt with to steal him away from Indiana.

The thinking is logical enough in terms of how it impacts the Pistons. But, I don't think you're analyzing the external environment well enough.

I never said that Pheonix wouldn't match, just that we would have to give him the max in order to have a shot.

[ImHeisenberg]

I never said that Pheonix wouldn't match, just that we would have to give him the max in order to have a shot.

Well, when you're typing out the future line-up and Bledsoe is in it, I think it's fairly obvious that you assume that Phoenix does not match the offer sheet.

[MotownMadness]

I believe your 3 assumptions are right, for the most part.

I don't think Bledsoe can be picked up. I have very little doubt that Phoenix wouldn't match that offer sheet. I mean, they offered Eric Gordon a max deal a few years back, you think they won't match Bledsoe?

Lance Stephenson isn't anywhere near a max contract player- which is probably where you'd have to flirt with to steal him away from Indiana.

The thinking is logical enough in terms of how it impacts the Pistons. But, I don't think you're analyzing the external environment well enough.

I never said that Pheonix wouldn't match, just that we would have to give him the max in order to have a shot.

And I would give it to him too.

[Phenomenonsense]

I never said that Pheonix wouldn't match, just that we would have to give him the max in order to have a shot.

Well, when you're typing out the future line-up and Bledsoe is in it, I think it's fairly obvious that you assume that Phoenix does not match the offer sheet.

Haha, this entire thing is hypothetical. I think I read somewhere that the suns will match the max anyway, but it's nice to think about this as a what if. That's all it is anyway.

[ImHeisenberg]

I'm just saying that Bledsoe is likely unavailable. I think he's a great talent, and would be better than any PG we've had in Detroit since Billups- without a doubt. It's a nice thought, but nothing more.

[sfballa13]

Honestly. I think this type of small trade/acquisition is what we're going to end up with. No way in hell are we going to be involved in a blockbuster that involves all-stars/stars.

As much as I want Smith and Jennings off this team, they're likely not going anywhere except maybe Jennings since he's relatively movable with his contract.

I'm pretty confident NY would take Jennings but Dumars probably thinks Jennings is a all star or something.

NY is desperate for a PG and they would take Jennings ASAP

This works out for both teams:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey

That above deal is the best deal for NY as they dump Felton and dont lose any huge contributors to their team.

Realistically with how desperate they are we should be able to make this deal:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih, Shumpert
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey, Datome
The deal in our favor sees us dumping another contract (Datome), while getting our starting SG in Shumpert

I think we also have a chance to go after Lowry, if we agree to take on Fields / Salmons / Novak
Bynum and Stuckey
for
Lowry and Fields

[MotownMadness]

Honestly. I think this type of small trade/acquisition is what we're going to end up with. No way in hell are we going to be involved in a blockbuster that involves all-stars/stars.

As much as I want Smith and Jennings off this team, they're likely not going anywhere except maybe Jennings since he's relatively movable with his contract.

I'm pretty confident NY would take Jennings but Dumars probably thinks Jennings is a all star or something.

NY is desperate for a PG and they would take Jennings ASAP

This works out for both teams:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey

That above deal is the best deal for NY as they dump Felton and dont lose any huge contributors to their team.

Realistically with how desperate they are we should be able to make this deal:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih, Shumpert
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey, Datome
The deal in our favor sees us dumping another contract (Datome), while getting our starting SG in Shumpert

I think we also have a chance to go after Lowry, if we agree to take on Fields
Bynum and Stuckey
for
Lowry and Fields

If I'm trading him too NY I'm not taking back Bargs. It would be a deal centered around Jennings for Shumpert. There's no reason for us to take back a bad contract like Bargs in a Jennings deal.

[sfballa13]

I'm pretty confident NY would take Jennings but Dumars probably thinks Jennings is a all star or something.

NY is desperate for a PG and they would take Jennings ASAP

This works out for both teams:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey

That above deal is the best deal for NY as they dump Felton and dont lose any huge contributors to their team.

Realistically with how desperate they are we should be able to make this deal:
Felton, Bargs, Udrih, Shumpert
for
Jennings, Bynum, Stuckey, Datome
The deal in our favor sees us dumping another contract (Datome), while getting our starting SG in Shumpert

I think we also have a chance to go after Lowry, if we agree to take on Fields
Bynum and Stuckey
for
Lowry and Fields

If I'm trading him too NY I'm not taking back Bargs. It would be a deal centered around Jennings for Shumpert. There's no reason for us to take back a bad contract like Bargs in a Jennings deal.

I was not suggesting to take Bargs back without Shumpert.

I was merely showing that if Jennings needed to be dumped so we could get a redo this summer it is possible. But Dumars is a moron. We could even go after Teague by giving Atlanta pure expirings for both him and Korver.

Korver, Teague, Lou Williams
for
Charlie V and Stuckey

Teague / Jennings
KCP / Williams
Korver / Singler
Smith / Monroe
Drummond / Harrelson

That is a playoff team and we can use Monroe in a sign and trade next summer to go after another starter.

[Notanoob]

You're being optimistic if you think we can get Korver for expiring contracts. He's worth far more than that due to his elite shooting ability.

Also, Teague can't shoot. I liked him a lot, but the dude can't even crack 30% from three this year.

I'd look into sending Jennings to NYK for Felton+Shump or something. Try and clear room for Lowry.

[Kilo]

I think the biggest realistic change is firing Dumars and bringing in a respected GM that could then lure in a highly thought of head coach who commands the lockerroom and would have the respect of the players.

[wire28]

We are on a one way trip towards screws ville.

This is depressed wire, not sarcastic wire.

[ARoS]

This team isn't getting any better until Josh Smith leaves.