Houston Coming after Dunleavy, Bulls unwilling to move him

DRose4MVP · Post #161 » by **DRose4MVP** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:41 am

Mightymosdef wrote:
DRose4MVP wrote:Terrence Jones is quickly becoming one of the best young forwards in the game. Highly doubt the Rockets would deal him for MDJ.

I hear ppl say this but I don't see it? :\

Not looking hard enough then..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5024/gamelog/

Flopper · Post #162 » by **Flopper** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:03 am

The biggest issue with Dunleavy is his age. He'll be 34 heading into next season and there's a chance we could see a big performance drop off similar to what happened to Rip. The Bulls can't really afford to have the happen, even if he's on what's perceived as a value deal right now.

baubo · Post #163 » by **baubo** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:07 am

Houston is saving it's 1st round picks for possibility of a star. If Chicago says no to a 2nd rounder, my guess is that the deal ended right there. No need to speculate on Motiejunas, Jones, 1st rounder, or anyone else. Morey probably made a probing call, got rejected, and moved on because he wasn't going to give up real assets for a 33yr old journeyman.

mymysql · Post #164 » by **mymysql** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:33 am

For savings, Bulls let go of Lu, Korver, Asik, Marco and Nate, pretty much all for nothing in return. Now we decide f-ing Mike Dunleavy as the guy we want to keep. Why? He sucks. He's like a Steve Novak, Matt Bonner kind of player. Taller, great range shooters like these guys aren't hugely common but they also all kind of blow.

Post #165 » by **kingkirk** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:06 am

mymysql wrote:He's like a Steve Novak, Matt Bonner kind of player.

He really isn't.

GTO · Post #166 » by **GTO** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:33 am

One guy that could make sense as a return is Omri Casspi, he is under contract at the minimum (nonguaranteed) next year and is competent. If Chicago wants to maximize cap room, a cheap competent bench guy would be useful to have.

Proven_Winner · Post #167 » by **Proven_Winner** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:44 am

KingCuban wrote:
mymysql wrote:He's like a Steve Novak, Matt Bonner kind of player.

He really isn't.

Of course he is KC,ummmm.... because you know.... they're all white and can shoot 3's.

Mr Funk · Post #168 » by **Mr Funk** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:06 pm

Keller61 wrote:Do you know someone better who we could sign for $3 million? Mike has his flaws but he's been solid for us overall. His catch-and-shoot ability adds an element to our offense, and his shooting would be great to have off the bench next year.

First name Nate, last name Robinson.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #169 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:11 pm

Mr Funk wrote:
Keller61 wrote:Do you know someone better who we could sign for $3 million? Mike has his flaws but he's been solid for us overall. His catch-and-shoot ability adds an element to our offense, and his shooting would be great to have off the bench next year.

First name Nate, last name Robinson.

The guy recovering from ACL surgery that plays a different position?

Ralphb07 · Post #170 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:40 pm

baubo wrote:Houston is saving it's 1st round picks for possibility of a star. If Chicago says no to a 2nd rounder, my guess is that the deal ended right there. No need to speculate on Motiejunas, Jones, 1st rounder, or anyone else. Morey probably made a probing call, got rejected, and moved on because he wasn't going to give up real assets for a 33yr old journeyman.

Dunleavy is worth way more than the Knicks 2nd round pick and talks have been going on with both teams for a while so it hasn't been a one phone call thing.

WinCity · Post #171 » by **WinCity** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:56 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
baubo wrote:Houston is saving it's 1st round picks for possibility of a star. If Chicago says no to a 2nd rounder, my guess is that the deal ended right there. No need to speculate on Motiejunas, Jones, 1st rounder, or anyone else. Morey probably made a probing call, got rejected, and moved on because he wasn't going to give up real assets for a 33yr old journeyman.

Dunleavy is worth way more than the Knicks 2nd round pick and talks have been going on with both teams for a while so it hasn't been a one phone call thing.

Whats going on with the other offer?

Tenchi Ryu · Post #172 » by **Tenchi Ryu** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:33 pm

I'm praying they mean unwilling as in haven't heard any good deals yet and not unwilling as in giving him Pax love special and unwilling to break up.

BR0D1E86 · Post #173 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:42 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
baubo wrote:Houston is saving it's 1st round picks for possibility of a star. If Chicago says no to a 2nd rounder, my guess is that the deal ended right there. No need to speculate on Motiejunas, Jones, 1st rounder, or anyone else. Morey probably made a probing call, got rejected, and moved on because he wasn't going to give up real assets for a 33yr old journeyman.

Dunleavy is worth way more than the Knicks 2nd round pick and talks have been going on with both teams for a while so it hasn't been a one phone call thing.

A good player on a good contract shouldn't be dumped for no apparent reason. If the bulls trade him and don't get either a guy who has at least 6th man potential or a 1st I'll be very upset.

Ralphb07 · Post #174 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:53 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
baubo wrote:Houston is saving it's 1st round picks for possibility of a star. If Chicago says no to a 2nd rounder, my guess is that the deal ended right there. No need to speculate on Motiejunas, Jones, 1st rounder, or anyone else. Morey probably made a probing call, got rejected, and moved on because he wasn't going to give up real assets for a 33yr old journeyman.

Dunleavy is worth way more than the Knicks 2nd round pick and talks have been going on with both teams for a while so it hasn't been a one phone call thing.

A good player on a good contract shouldn't be dumped for no apparent reason. If the bulls trade him and don't get either a guy who has at least 6th man potential or a 1st I'll be very upset.

I don't think you'll be upset. The Bulls are not dumping him, it needs to be value. We can keep Mike off the bench and still sign Nikola and one of Ray Allen, Trevor Ariza and Danny Granger. All guys I've heard we have interest in.

Ralphb07 · Post #175 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:55 pm

Tenchi Ryu wrote:I'm praying they mean unwilling as in haven't heard any good deals yet and not unwilling as in giving him Pax love special and unwilling to break up.

A team offers a 1st which will be about pick 24-25 and the Bulls trade Mike. If they could get a younger guy like Fournier they would trade Mike. It's just not going to be a salary dump.

WinCity · Post #176 » by **WinCity** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:04 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
I don't think you'll be upset. The Bulls are not dumping him, it needs to be value. We can keep Mike off the bench and still sign Nikola and one of Ray Allen, Trevor Ariza and Danny Granger. All guys I've heard we have interest in.

Ariza please

Get me Ariza and a trade for Afflalo, bring over Mirotic and I am a happy with the retool :wink:

Ralphb07 · Post #177 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:09 pm

WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
I don't think you'll be upset. The Bulls are not dumping him, it needs to be value. We can keep Mike off the bench and still sign Nikola and one of Ray Allen, Trevor Ariza and Danny Granger. All guys I've heard we have interest in.

Ariza please

Get me Ariza and a trade for Afflalo, bring over Mirotic and I am a happy with the retool

You're not getting both. I see the offseason going signing Nikola and Granger/Ariza. What I'm stuck on is what route we go with the room mle. Is it on DJ or do they use it on a big like Kaman or Brand and bring Kirk back on the veteran minimum.

G-Rose/Hinrich
G-Butler/Snell
F-Granger or Ariza/Dunleavy
F-Gibson/Nikola
C-Noah/Room MLE

Plus we have those two picks in our pockets.

micromonkey · Post #178 » by **micromonkey** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:09 pm

Keller61 wrote:
I would plan on treating it as if we are contenders next season. I don't know if we will be - it depends on how Rose comes back - but if Rose makes a strong comeback we should try to have the best possible team to make a run next season. Miami will be a year older. Indiana might lose Stephenson and some of their guys are getting old too. Taj and Noah are in their primes. I think we should go for it next year, and even if we don't win, at least see how far we can go with a healthy Rose.

If there's a trade for Dunleavy that makes sense and would make us better, I'm all for that, but I'm not for dumping him for capspace. If it turns out that we need that capspace to sign Melo or someone else, we can probably unload him in the offseason or include him in a sign-and-trade.

In your view do we need to trade/amnesty Boozer to go after FA this season?
I think we do as I don't see how the team as is with Rose+ Mirotic cuts it. We need at least reasonable depth so Thibs doesn't play Butler 48 mins a game and another guy with scoring mentality.

I'd dump Dunleavy for a pick to go all in for Stephenson--I don't think melo is realistic so I'm not even considering it. I think Lance+ Mirotic plus not losing anything else or any picks would ultimately be the best team we can field next year and future. If we miss out on Lance the longterm plan isn't ruined--so it's worth the 1 year window with Dunleavy next year (for me at least). I don't see Pacers doing us any S&T favors--I'd want to be able to make a move without any contingencies. If Lance doesn't work we still would need some money to get wing players at MLE ish level.

Dunleavy has value and a great contract but his short window means he's a little more expendable to me.

ATRAIN53 · Post #179 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:12 pm

This could be more of a Dunleavy not wanting to be moved than GarPax unwilling to move him.

Dunleavy picked Chicago this off season from a few offeres, he wanted to come here and play with Thibs and make the playoffs. he turned down more money if the stores are to be believed. We're gonna be in the playoffs and he's played 9 playoff games total in 11 years.

You would think the Houston situation would sound tempting - but he wants to be here. I think when a guy gives you a discount, they have to extend this curteosy to him. As much as we rip on GarPax and the FO - this is one of those situations they show we are a classy org and do respect players wishes.

WinCity · Post #180 » by **WinCity** » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:15 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
I don't think you'll be upset. The Bulls are not dumping him, it needs to be value. We can keep Mike off the bench and still sign Nikola and one of Ray Allen, Trevor Ariza and Danny Granger. All guys I've heard we have interest in.

Ariza please

Get me Ariza and a trade for Afflalo, bring over Mirotic and I am a happy with the retool

You're not getting both. I see the offseason going signing Nikola and Granger/Ariza. What I'm stuck on is what route we go with the room mle. Is it on DJ or do they use it on a big like Kaman or Brand and bring Kirk back on the veteran minimum.

G-Rose/Hinrich
G-Butler/Snell
F-Granger or Ariza/Dunleavy
F-Gibson/Nikola
C-Noah/Room MLE

Plus we have those two picks in our pockets.

You have to bring back DJ as insurance. Hinrich as 3rd string PG on vet min deal is fine.

I know we only have room for Niko and 1 free agent like Ariza if we amnesty Booz and move Dunealvy for cap space. However, I thought they were looking at moving Taj to reallocate that money into other spots and draft bigs?