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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003 AND WASHINGTON HAS THE THIRD WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE IN THAT SPAN)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#241 » by TGW » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:51 am

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#242 » by gtn130 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:59 am

Ted/EG's moves this past offseason:

Webster's ridiculous contract (17th worst contract in the NBA according to Bill Simmons)
Signed Maynor, who isn't an NBA player
Drafted Otto Porter, who looks like a bust and is the farthest thing from NBA-ready
Drafted GRJ, who also can't get off the bench
Traded away a 1st round pick (protected) for Gortat, who is an average center and a free agent

The jury is still out on the rookies, I'll allow that, but there is no denying that this offseason and all of the front office's moves have culminated to one big dumpster fire. This single offseason alone is enough to fire EG, and we haven't even scratched the surface of his long, awful tenure here in DC.

EG still having a job is a tragic comedy.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#243 » by Nivek » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:49 pm

The idea that Webster's contract is 17th worst in the league is absurd. He's an average player on a basically average contract. The only legit gripe about Webster's contract isn't about Webster at all, but about the Wizards' use of their resources. They gave the full MLE to a SF/SG despite having Ariza, drafting Porter and Rice, and having a major need for frontcourt depth.

Webster is okay, even on that contract.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#244 » by Kanyewest » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:20 pm

I blame pineappleheadindc's avatar.
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Post#245 » by closg00 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:37 pm

Hopefully Ernie will turn our trash into a capable back-up PG, but Nate Wolters hit a game-winning 3 last night.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#246 » by pineappleheadindc » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:01 am

Kanyewest wrote:I blame pineappleheadindc's avatar.


EG is the Luv-a-Bulls of NBA GMs.

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#247 » by spaceman_E » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:20 am

closg00 wrote:Hopefully Ernie will turn our trash into a capable back-up PG, but Nate Wolters hit a game-winning 3 last night.


and looked awesome all game on top of that. The Bucks offense looked semi-competent, he is light years ahead of Brandon Knight as a decision maker.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#248 » by closg00 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:56 am

spaceman_E wrote:
closg00 wrote:Hopefully Ernie will turn our trash into a capable back-up PG, but Nate Wolters hit a game-winning 3 last night.


and looked awesome all game on top of that. The Bucks offense looked semi-competent, he is light years ahead of Brandon Knight as a decision maker.


:evil: Eesh, as-if reading the recap wasn't enough heart-burn. We traded-away Wolters and now we are desperately trying to trade for a PG.

Other GMs know how to play Ernie, just wait until Ernie is desperate, then make him your trade-bitch.
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Post#249 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:31 am

gtn130 wrote:Ted/EG's moves this past offseason:

Webster's ridiculous contract (17th worst contract in the NBA according to Bill Simmons)
Signed Maynor, who isn't an NBA player
Drafted Otto Porter, who looks like a bust and is the farthest thing from NBA-ready
Drafted GRJ, who also can't get off the bench
Traded away a 1st round pick (protected) for Gortat, who is an average center and a free agent

The jury is still out on the rookies, I'll allow that, but there is no denying that this offseason and all of the front office's moves have culminated to one big dumpster fire. This single offseason alone is enough to fire EG, and we haven't even scratched the surface of his long, awful tenure here in DC.

EG still having a job is a tragic comedy.


So basically they were this good last year if not for injuries. Which is what a lot of us thought. Because the only difference is they replaced Okafor for Gortat and I know Gortat is not the reason for a projected 10 game plus improvement over what Okafor brought.

Hey, at least Booker is looking like a nice pick at 23rd.
Not sure if Kevin S will be better then Eric Bledsoe who I said we should pick but we will see. But Kevin looks like a decent pick at 17 for that draft. The kid has potential if he can find a coach to play him.

EG doesn't make complete blunders every time he does something. But he does blow it to often to keep around moving forward. This back up PG or SG thing has gotten beyond stupid.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#250 » by hands11 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:06 pm

Just saw this.

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Last summer, Wizards offered the same contract to Eric Maynor, Beno Udrih and Mo Williams. Maynor accepted the deal first, so he was signed.
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Post#251 » by AFM » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:03 pm

hands11 wrote:Just saw this.

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Last summer, Wizards offered the same contract to Eric Maynor, Beno Udrih and Mo Williams. Maynor accepted the deal first, so he was signed.

So, did they have a race to grab the pen?
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Post#252 » by Nivek » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:30 pm

AFM wrote:
hands11 wrote:Just saw this.

Alex Kennedy ✔ @AlexKennedyNBA
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Last summer, Wizards offered the same contract to Eric Maynor, Beno Udrih and Mo Williams. Maynor accepted the deal first, so he was signed.

So, did they have a race to grab the pen?


No way -- Maynor would have lost a foot race with those two.

What's worrisome about this report is that somehow the Wizards front office viewed these guys as equivalent.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#253 » by mohammed10 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:32 pm

Nivek wrote:
No way -- Maynor would have lost a foot race with those two.

What's worrisome about this report is that somehow the Wizards front office viewed these guys as equivalent.


...which is why this report is likely accurate (especially given the competency - or lack thereof - of our front office)
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Post#254 » by verbal8 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:40 pm

Nivek wrote:
AFM wrote:
hands11 wrote:Just saw this.

Alex Kennedy ✔ @AlexKennedyNBA
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Last summer, Wizards offered the same contract to Eric Maynor, Beno Udrih and Mo Williams. Maynor accepted the deal first, so he was signed.

So, did they have a race to grab the pen?


No way -- Maynor would have lost a foot race with those two.

What's worrisome about this report is that somehow the Wizards front office viewed these guys as equivalent.


Was Mo Williams worth the offer? He got that deal from Portland.

We know Maynor wasn't worth the deal and Udrih is only slightly better.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#255 » by Nivek » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:52 pm

Mo Williams was definitely worth that kind of offer. Udrih would have been worth it as a backup. The guy who SHOULD HAVE gotten the offer before anyone else was Darren Collison.
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Post#256 » by mohammed10 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:53 pm

Nivek wrote:Mo Williams was definitely worth that kind of offer. Udrih would have been worth it as a backup. The guy who SHOULD HAVE gotten the offer before anyone else was Darren Collison.


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Post#257 » by verbal8 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:05 pm

For 3.5 seasons of Vesley 1/2 season of Maynor and 1/2 season of Andre Miller the costs is:

6th overall pick
2015(?) 2nd round pick

11.7 million in salary
Bi-annual salary exemption

Vesely scored 497 points in his Wizards career. Maynor 52. Vesely accumulated 0.7 Offensive Win Shares over 2100+ minutes. Maynor was negative.

At least the 1/2 season of Miller should be an improvement.
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Post#258 » by Jay81 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:17 pm

TODAY IS LIKE REPORT CARD DAY AND ERNIE GOT AN F-

todays trade speaks volumes to the front office woes of the Washington Wizards. Poor player decisions will kill you
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Post#259 » by payitforward » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:03 pm

hands11 wrote:So basically they were this good last year if not for injuries. Which is what a lot of us thought. Because the only difference is they replaced Okafor for Gortat and I know Gortat is not the reason for a projected 10 game plus improvement over what Okafor brought.

Hey, at least Booker is looking like a nice pick at 23rd.

Not sure if Kevin S will be better then Eric Bledsoe who I said we should pick but we will see. But Kevin looks like a decent pick at 17 for that draft. The kid has potential if he can find a coach to play him.

EG doesn't make complete blunders every time he does something. But he does blow it to often to keep around moving forward. This back up PG or SG thing has gotten beyond stupid.

On what I've marked red:

You said we were a 47 win team "last year if not for injuries", didn't you? I had us at 44 wins both last year and this year. Goes to show that even a skeptic like me can't keep his homer instinct under control! :wink:

Booker -- awright, Hands! It's about time.

Seraphin -- whether a pick turns out to be good or not isn't the only criterion. It's one thing to take Vesely over Leonard or Singleton over Faried or Mack over Parsons; it's another thing altogether to swing for the fences w/ Seraphin when there really aren't any outstanding prospects out there to pick instead. Yes, Bledsoe has developed into a terrific PG; he may wind up among the elite and maybe he already is. But, no way were we picking him #17 when we'd picked Wall #1.

Unless we cd have found a trade-down scenario -- but keep in mind the list was weak heading down from there in that draft w/ the exceptions of Booker, whom we got, and Stevenson.

Now there was a guy I *loved* that year! But he really looked like he had character problems that would wash him out of the league. He's obviously worked through them, and I think I can say that Indiana was the perfect place for him to start growing up, if you know what I mean.

EG blunders -- no, not every time. But pretty close. Really really close. He's an awful awful GM.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#260 » by dckingsfan » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:08 am

Jay81 wrote:TODAY IS LIKE REPORT CARD DAY AND ERNIE GOT AN F-

todays trade speaks volumes to the front office woes of the Washington Wizards. Poor player decisions will kill you


Death is fatal... EG just keeps on giving :)

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