The Trade Thread

[sfballa13]

Smith for Amare is not what's being proposed (and isn't possible given the salary difference).

They want to dump Jennings (and Luigi) as well. Jennings still has a lot of talent and drive, and is chucking mainly because we surrounded him with an anemic offense that more or less demands he shoot more than he should. Does he need more discipline? Of course. There's a lot of work to be done, but give him a legit SF, some 3 and D wings and a solid coach, and he could still be a top tier PG.

Taking Amare means we can resign Moose, and then do little else. Who is our starting SF for the next season and a half? Who is our starting PG? Singler and Bynum? Please.

We can make this trade and New York still says yes:

Smith, Bynum, Jerebko, Datome
for
Shumpert and Amare

Trio of trash (Bynum, jerebko, Datome) are making 9M next season and we all know they wont see the floor and if they do (in Bynum's case) will harm our team rather than help.

Since we already are paying 9M to these guys you can subtract that from Amare's deal leaving us paying him only 10M. Amare should be able to give us 10-12 minutes off the bench and Shumpert most likely can be resigned for relatively cheap considering how terrible he has played this season.

People seem to forget that this season we paid Bynum, Jerebko, Billups, Charlie V TWENTY MILLION to sit on the bench and do nothing but now they are going nuts about Amare sitting on the bench doing nothing as well? Come on

That I can live with, though I'd make the Knicks toss in Hardaway Jr, either in addition to Shumpert (if the money works) or in place of him. I want his scoring ability if we're taking that sandbag off their hands.

Knicks wont toss in Hardaway Jr because they know they can deal Tim, Shumpert, filler for Lowry

What about this 3 team deal?

To Knicks: Smith, Lowry
To Detroit: Bargnani, Udrih, Aldrich
To Raptors: Hardaway, Shumpert, MWP

That being said gotta love this snippet from Chad Ford (original Darko fan boy #1)

Johannes (Denver)
Why don't the Pistons and Pelicans swap Josh Smith and either Gordon or Evans? Contracts match and it seems like those guys would fit better on each other's teams.

Chad Ford (1:40 PM)
Josh Smith may have the most untradable contract in the NBA right now.

[The Penguin]

I really think the decision has been made on Joe and he's not allowed to do anything for fear of screwing things up further.

I'd be borderline shocked if any deal was done. We need to dump Bynum & Jerebko's deals to maximize cap flexibility this summer but we are short on assets to include. There's obviously the front court mess but we aren't likely to get sufficient return on Monroe and Smith is too good to justify including any (already limited) assets. Expirings don't have the value they did a couple of years ago. Guys on rookie deals and picks have gotten to the point of being strongly overvalued. The league has just gotten to conservative and smart to allow us to dump our guys.

[Q00]

Business is open!

Pistons have had talks with Cleveland about Deng, however his unwillingness to sign an extension makes a deal unlikely.

Good news though is that we now know the Pistons are indeed active and shopping. You would think too that either Monroe or Smith would've been the ones traded for Deng in any deal, meaning the Pistons might be looking to deal one of them still after all.

Forward Luol Deng's reluctance to commit to a long-term extension with any team before July free agency makes it unlikely that the Cleveland Cavaliers can find a willing trade partner before Thursday's NBA deadline, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Cavaliers have had conversations with several teams, including Dallas, Detroit and Indiana about Deng, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Nevertheless, there's no traction on a deal and no team seems inclined to give up valuable assets for a player who could walk away in free agency.

Deng is determined to investigate free agency in July before making a decision to stay with Cleveland, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--l ... 5-nba.html

[paQo the BAWSER]

Please, stop calling trash at Datome, if he hasn't played how you can say that? He was MVP of the Lega, one of the best players of the Eurobasket and he is the best shooter in our team BY FAR. It's a non-sense that Jerebko, Bynum or even Singler (who I really like him) play more than him, when we are suffering spaces problems.

[haulerch]

Please, stop calling trash at Datome, if he hasn't played how you can say that? He was MVP of the Lega, one of the best players of the Eurobasket and he is the best shooter in our team BY FAR. It's a non-sense that Jerebko, Bynum or even Singler (who I really like him) play more than him, when we are suffering spaces problems.

From what I have seen (obviously very limited), Datome appears to be a huge liability on defense and unfortunately his shot hasn't been falling in the playing time he has received.

He looked horrible earlier in the season on D so that is the only reason I can see as to why they aren't giving him more opportunities.

[fekz]

Please, stop calling trash at Datome, if he hasn't played how you can say that? He was MVP of the Lega, one of the best players of the Eurobasket and he is the best shooter in our team BY FAR. It's a non-sense that Jerebko, Bynum or even Singler (who I really like him) play more than him, when we are suffering spaces problems.

You gotta stop letting peoples opinions rile you up. I agree with you in principle he hasn't been given enough time, but there are going to but idiotic people on every board man.

[Blkbrd671]

Please, stop calling trash at Datome, if he hasn't played how you can say that? He was MVP of the Lega, one of the best players of the Eurobasket and he is the best shooter in our team BY FAR. It's a non-sense that Jerebko, Bynum or even Singler (who I really like him) play more than him, when we are suffering spaces problems.

Well when Datome has gotten minutes, he's been absolutely horrid on defense and has not shot well from the nba range. I would understand if he's shown potential, but there's nothing i have seen from his game that would make me think he's the mvp of any major league. i think once he adjust he'll settle into a nice roll player, but quite frankly i was hoping for a lot more when we signed him

[sfballa13]

Please, stop calling trash at Datome, if he hasn't played how you can say that? He was MVP of the Lega, one of the best players of the Eurobasket and he is the best shooter in our team BY FAR. It's a non-sense that Jerebko, Bynum or even Singler (who I really like him) play more than him, when we are suffering spaces problems.

You gotta stop letting peoples opinions rile you up. I agree with you in principle he hasn't been given enough time, but there are going to but idiotic people on every board man.

Bynum, Jerebko, Billups, Charlie V, and especially Datome have all played like trash all season long

Datome has had plenty of opportunities, he has played in 24 games and averaged 7 minutes a game almost an entire quarter of play

3 pts, 1 rebound, 36% FG on 4 Shots a game, 18% from 3PT

Those are his averages. I dont care if he was league MVP in Italy it is not transferring to the NBA. Many times players are not in the right situation and in the situation he is in right now he is worth nothing to us therefore he is garbage. Whenever he hits the floor his defense is beyond terrible and his shooting (his specialty) is laughable. 18% from 3pt? come on!

Jerebko, lovingly referred to as Poop by many people on these same boards, is putting up better numbers than Datome in more games played 6 pts, 2 rebounds, 49% FG, 41% 3PT in 8 mintues in 36 games.

So yeh im not an idiot for calling our bench players trash because that is exactly what they are.

Some posters here are as delusional as Dumars you guys deserve each other!

[Blkbrd671]

Jerebko, lovingly referred to as Poop by many people on these same boards, is putting up better numbers than Datome in more games played 6 pts, 2 rebounds, 49% FG, 41% 3PT in 8 mintues in 36 games.

sig material right there.

[paQo the BAWSER]

He got no confidence and no minutes to develops himself in the NBA, Singler started shooting horrible for 3, but he still got minutes, Datome never played a game like a starter or even a role player, only played trash minutes.

Like Middleton, only time will tell. I'm pretty sure of our organization are ruining his career, as Monroe's career, Drummond's career or whatever. We got an horrible office's work and we never can develop our young players, and guys like Stuckey still getting a lot of minutes... Singler is an exception, good role energic player, Frank didn't give Drummond the minutes that he deserves, he didn't try the couple Monroe-Drummond (he was giving minutes to JASON MAXIELL)

We signed the Italy MVP and we don't give any chance to him. Now we are an horrible team in one of the worst years of the East in the NBA, and we aren't giving minutes to our rookie KCP. Our office is an incredible piece of $H!T

[Blkbrd671]

He got no confidence and no minutes to develops himself in the NBA, Singler started shooting horrible for 3, but he still got minutes, Datome never played a game like a starter or even a role player, only played trash minutes.




We signed the Italy MVP and we don't give any chance to him. Now we are an horrible team in one of the worst years of the East in the NBA, and we aren't giving minutes to our rookie KCP. Our office is an incredible piece of $H!T

The point your not gettin is his play does not warrant any minutes. IF he was truly NBA starter material it would be apparent, and his game clearly has major holes, and the one thing he does do at a nba level(shooting), he's not doing well. Singler plays half decent defense, makes cuts , rebounds. Singler is clearly the better player. If Datome needs time to adjust, he should go down to the D League and work on his game, not during games that we need to win

[Blkbrd671]

Detroit in: Felton , Shumpert

NY in: Jennings+JJ


Felton couldn't be that much worst than Jennings on defense, we pick up Shumpert, and KCP becomes expendable.

We then trade

Smith+KCP for Deng

We instantly become a better defensive team, but still shoot rather poorly

[DBC10]

If the Knicks are so desperate to get Darren literally Collison that they offered Shump, then maybe we can offer Jennings and get maybe a future pick or something.

[sfballa13]

If the Knicks are so desperate to get Darren literally Collison that they offered Shump, then maybe we can offer Jennings and get maybe a future pick or something.

Knicks have been desperate for a trade all week

We have the expiring deals to take back Felton and Bargs, something no other team can offer

Id eat both those deals even Amarea if it means we got Hardaway Jr and Shumpert but I dont see that happening

[ComboGuardCity]

Scrap the season: Start over Plan

1. Shabazz for Bynum/Jerebko...They are trying to make the playoffs. We'll find one somewhere else.

2. Stuckey + Singler for Barnes...Barnes has been awful. Warriors really need a 3rd guard.

3. Jennings for Shumpert/Felton/Aldrich...Knicks love names. Felton sucks, but he's cheap and leads the tank

4. Josh for Okafor/Goodwin/Wizards pick

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Team plans:

1. See if Monroe/Drummond can do any sort of work with Monroe working out of the high post.
2. Make Shumpert run the point.
3. Feed drummond

Felton/Shumpert
KCP/Shabazz
Barnes/Shabazz
Monroe/Barnes
Drummond/Monroe

We'll win very few games and land a top 5 pick. (Hopefully able to get one of Wiggins or Parker)

Best case scenario: We get lucky! End up with top 3 and end up with Wiggins...and the Wizards pick is around 17.

Hire Hollins:


Draft Night:

1. Draft Wiggins
2. Trade Shumpert/Felton and the Wizards pick for Conley.



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Free Agency:
1. Give Brian Roberts 4-5mill a year for 3 years
2. Give Jordan Hill 6 mill to be our 3rd big
3. Re-Sign Monroe to whatever

Conley
KCP
Wiggins
Monroe
Drummond

with role players led by Barnes:
Roberts
Shabazz
Barnes
Hill


We end up with a PG who Hollins is very familiar with and pretty much groomed. We have a potential superstar in Wiggins to score when necessary..and we've got a deep bench

[Q00]

I feel like the Pistons are going to cling to Monroe too long just like they did with Stuckey. I'll be very disappointed if they can deal him for Barnes and choose to keep him.

What is the plan is what I'd like to know. If they think Monroe can fit with shooters around him, why haven't they used this whole season to trade for any shooters? Are they going to resign him to a huge contract this summer, sign a bunch of shooters in FA, and then wait to find out if that was the answer or not? And if its not the answer, then we are we just saddled with a huge contract with no money left and that's it?

I just would like to know what this organizations plan is if they plan to keep Monroe?

[Kilo]

Stuckey NEEDS to be dealt tomorrow - we're not going to make any big trades that would help our tank, but moving Stuckey - who should absolutely have interest around the league as a productive bench expiring. No way will he re-sign here there is absolutely no reason to keep him.

[Snakebites]

I don't think there is a plan moving forward. I think this team is dead in the air right now.

[Q00]

I mean, ok, if they are going to resign Monroe, but then what?

Its easy to just say resign him because they don't want trade a talented young big, but if its going to take up all of your capspace, and cause you to come back with basically the same 22-32 team for the next 2-3 years, how can they justify that?

I don't get it.

[DBC10]

I told you guys who kept pipe dreaming about some colossal trade coming our way. Trade deadlines are overrated and have been for a while.

Nothing substantial will happen and we'll still be stuck with Jennings and Smith with no clear way out of the hole unless we get a miracle GM who can deal both of them and maybe even Monroe after the season.

Worst case scenario is keeping both Jennings and Smith and Monroe. Next worst case is trading Monroe and still having our top 2 fga per game lolworthy players still not getting *it* on the offensive side and our lane still looking clogged.

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