Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

chrisab123 · Post #761 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:07 pm

So last year Howard would love to play for Doc and with Rondo
...just not in Boston because it's cold. This year it's Dwight might not like to play with Rondo because he takes his job seriously?

This is why Houston will never win a ring. Your best player would rather be a clown than a champion. I would rather the C's just sit Rondo out for the rest of the season to ahem get him more healthy rather than play him and trade him for most of the BS out here. I don't love Rondo BUT I'm stunned that so many people want to trade him for the first thing they see.

Celts17Pride · Post #762 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:08 pm

One team executive who’d spoken to the Celtics reported that, in particular, the Rajon Rondo rumors appear to be out of control.

“They’re willing to talk about Rondo, but that’s always been true, for Rondo and for everyone,” he said. “But I can tell you that nothing is happening there. That doesn’t mean someone won’t panic today and make them a real offer, but I know that hasn’t happened yet.”

There was further indication that there was no substance to reports of interest in Rondo from Houston. There has been nothing approaching a negotiation or even a call from the Rockets.

While one source said he doesn’t believe Houston even wants Rondo, another closer to the team said anything regarding the All-Star point guard is a non-starter because the Celtics are looking for both high draft picks and salary cap relief. The Rockets are not in position to offer either.

“I have no idea where that rumor is coming from,” said the Houston source. “These things seem to take on a life of their own.”

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_ ... n_hot_cold

Celts17Pride · Post #763 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:13 pm

Sean Deveney @SeanDeveney
Before getting too deep on @HoustonRockets trading for Rajon Rondo, consider that the two sides have not actually discussed a Rondo trade

gocelts · Post #764 » by **gocelts** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:27 pm

What a relief. Now Houston can go back to retiring Asik, Lin, and Parsons numbers.

Celts17Pride · Post #765 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:10 pm

Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

klemen4 · Post #766 » by **klemen4** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:13 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

Clark imo is going from CLE to PHI, because CLE does not have any exception to just take Hawes in.

Post #767 » by **canman1971** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:14 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think Ainge wants to lose Humphries salary. It is valuable on draft day and just to expire. Unless he got real assets, I don't see it happening and what does Philly really have of worth that they would be willing to give up?

Banks2Pierce · Post #768 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:20 pm

Pretty sure Philly can just stand pat and distribute the difference in salary between the floor and their contracts to their own players. Don't see why they'd give up assets to get Humphries. The 2nd rounders are worth more than his s&t rights.

Celts17Pride · Post #769 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:40 pm

klemen4 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

Clark imo is going from CLE to PHI, because CLE does not have any exception to just take Hawes in.

Probably a three team deal.

jfs1000d · Post #770 » by **jfs1000d** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:55 pm

Hearing from Houston and Boston sources noting is up. Sounds to me like an agent driven story, not from the organizations.

soxfan2003 · Post #771 » by **soxfan2003** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:07 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think Ainge wants to lose Humphries salary. It is valuable on draft day and just to expire. Unless he got real assets, I don't see it happening and what does Philly really have of worth that they would be willing to give up?

I don't see a trade happening but I could see Ainge trading Humphries for nothing if that is the best offer he could get since it would save the team perhaps around 4 million.... I really don't see Humphries contract having much value after the season but maybe I'm wrong. But the problem is tanking Philly has little incentive to really do a Humphries trade. They would probably rather take on an expiring contract of a useless player and get some sort of pick for doing so .

JJDHPLJ · Post #772 » by **JJDHPLJ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:31 pm

Houston fan here. Over on our side most people have given up on Rondo, it was probably a false rumor is what we are hearing. That being said, I understand not wanting to just give away Rondo, he is a great player. At this point though it seems like Ainge is holding him hostage for a bit too much. This will waste a couple of his prime years, this guys deserves to be on a contender. Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do, I think he should be allowed to go play for a ring somewhere, I think he's earned that. Anyway, you guys are grade A fans the total opposite of the Lakers crazies and best organization in NBA history. I just wanted to offer my two cents, hope I don't get flamed too much, thanks.

jfs1000d · Post #773 » by **jfs1000d** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:37 pm

JJDHPLJ wrote:Houston fan here. Over on our side most people have given up on Rondo, it was probably a false rumor is what we are hearing. That being said, I understand not wanting to just give away Rondo, he is a great player. At this point though it seems like Ainge is holding him hostage for a bit too much. This will waste a couple of his prime years, this guys deserves to be on a contender. Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do, I think he should be allowed to go play for a ring somewhere, I think he's earned that. Anyway, you guys are grade A fans the total opposite of the Lakers crazies and best organization in NBA history. I just wanted to offer my two cents, hope I don't get flamed too much, thanks.

Celtics don't plan on being terrible for long. Ainge and ownership can't afford to let Celtics go back to 4th fiddle in town. That's just not going to happen. Celtics will want to make playoffs next year, without without Rondo.

Only way he is getting dealt is if it makes Boston better. Celtics have a direction, if Rondo can make it easier, then so be it. But, ownership doesn't mind spending money for real value.

the other thing is, Rondo would just as soon stay. He's not a disgrunteled star. Ainge nearly traded Paul Pierce 4 times in his career.

Captain_Caveman · Post #774 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:12 pm

JJDHPLJ wrote:Houston fan here. Over on our side most people have given up on Rondo, it was probably a false rumor is what we are hearing. That being said, I understand not wanting to just give away Rondo, he is a great player. At this point though it seems like Ainge is holding him hostage for a bit too much. This will waste a couple of his prime years, this guys deserves to be on a contender. Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do, I think he should be allowed to go play for a ring somewhere, I think he's earned that. Anyway, you guys are grade A fans the total opposite of the Lakers crazies and best organization in NBA history. I just wanted to offer my two cents, hope I don't get flamed too much, thanks.

Wanting a lottery pick and a decent prospect for Rondo isn't asking too much, IMO.

Rockets fans vastly overrate their role players, IMO.

Celticfan_N_FL · Post #775 » by **Celticfan_N_FL** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:25 pm

JJDHPLJ wrote:Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do,

I don't know about that. From my perspective most teams that are .500 or sub .500 are more than a few pieces away. I think, in theory, it's easier for the Celtics to sell FA's as a .500 team in the East because chances are you're fighting for the 5-8 seed whereas in the West you have no shot at the playoffs. In fact, I can't even name the last time the West had a sub .500 playoff team. The East has one practically every season.

JJDHPLJ · Post #776 » by **JJDHPLJ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:44 pm

Celticfan_N_FL wrote:
JJDHPLJ wrote:Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do,

I don't know about that. From my perspective most teams that are .500 or sub .500 are more than a few pieces away. I think, in theory, it's easier for the Celtics to sell FA's as a .500 team in the East because chances are you're fighting for the 5-8 seed whereas in the West you have no shot at the playoffs. In fact, I can't even name the last time the West had a sub .500 playoff team. The East has one practically every season.

Th west is a much tougher conference, being sub .500 in the East means you are worst than your seeding suggests, you would have to go by winning percentage of the entire league to get a true gauge of where you are. Most teams that acquire a star and become contenders are already knocking at the door or in the playoffs. You are not going to be a playoff team next season it's highly unlikely.

Post #777 » by **ParticleMan** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:50 pm

I think it's unlikely we make the playoffs next year too. But remember last time Ainge went from a 24-win team to an NBA champion in a single offseason. So our record right now and whether we make the playoffs is irrelevant. We've got a TON of assets. Of course you have to be patient and use them at the right time on the right player, but Ainge has done this before.

JJDHPLJ · Post #778 » by **JJDHPLJ** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:52 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
JJDHPLJ wrote:Houston fan here. Over on our side most people have given up on Rondo, it was probably a false rumor is what we are hearing. That being said, I understand not wanting to just give away Rondo, he is a great player. At this point though it seems like Ainge is holding him hostage for a bit too much. This will waste a couple of his prime years, this guys deserves to be on a contender. Being realistic if the Celtics were a .500 team in the West you could say they are just a few pieces away but being sub .500 in the East you have a lot of rebuilding to do, I think he should be allowed to go play for a ring somewhere, I think he's earned that. Anyway, you guys are grade A fans the total opposite of the Lakers crazies and best organization in NBA history. I just wanted to offer my two cents, hope I don't get flamed too much, thanks.

Wanting a lottery pick and a decent prospect for Rondo isn't asking too much, IMO.

Rockets fans vastly overrate their role players, IMO.

No one is overrating anyone, this becomes less about Houston and more about Rondo himself. The teams he would want to stay with really don't have those things so if Ainge wants to trade him, there would have to be a third weaker team involved with the type of picks you guys want, they also would want a good player in exchange for that. You run the risk of Rondo simply leaving for nothing.

Post #779 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:54 pm

chum wrote:
sully00 wrote:
chum wrote:
I would certainly take a top 3 pick + the 50% return on Rondo over Rondo + pick 8-10. I don't even think its close when you factor in Rondo's age and upcoming free agency as well as the current state of the team. If Rondo signed an extension in the $12m/year range then it would be a closer decision.

To draft who?

Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins? Who else would be taken in the top 3?

What if two of them don't enter the draft as both Embiid and Parker have stated?

Post #780 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:57 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Philly is now $11.7 million under the salary floor after the Hawes trade. Just guessing but this seems like a possible landing spot for Humphries IMO. Celtics get back some assets. Trade doesn't have to match salary wise.

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think Ainge wants to lose Humphries salary. It is valuable on draft day and just to expire. Unless he got real assets, I don't see it happening and what does Philly really have of worth that they would be willing to give up?

Why not? A 12 million dollar TPE would be a lot more valuable than Hump at this point unless they plan on resigning him which BOS may he is productive player.