Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[miller31time]

The Zards desperately needed improved play (and playmaking) at a backup PG and Miller gives them that. It will also cut down on the wear and tear on JW.

Miller should help a lot of the 2nd unit players shine. Plus he is a vet and can teach Wall some of his tricks. The only thing I don't like about Miller is that he isn't a great outside shooter.

I'm interested to see if Miller will have a long-term impact on Wall's post-up game. I'd love him to teach John some of his crafty moves. Not only will it help Wall in the immediate future but it will prolong his career and make him less dependent on pure athleticism.

[fishercob]

The Zards desperately needed improved play (and playmaking) at a backup PG and Miller gives them that. It will also cut down on the wear and tear on JW.

Miller should help a lot of the 2nd unit players shine. Plus he is a vet and can teach Wall some of his tricks. The only thing I don't like about Miller is that he isn't a great outside shooter.

I'm interested to see if Miller will have a long-term impact on Wall's post-up game. I'd love him to teach John some of his crafty moves. Not only will it help Wall in the immediate future but it will prolong his career and make him less dependent on pure athleticism.

Wall is tall, but Miller's "hockey ass" is something he can't impart on Wall. That's the key to his post game IMO.

[miller31time]

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Damn. This is a valuable asset.

Of course it's the NO pick. Why would I think we could make it out of this trade without any damage?

[payitforward]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMichaelCSN/status/436565596093038592[/tweet]

Damn. This is a valuable asset.

Crap.

It's a good trade in the sense that Andre Miller is obviously better than Eric Maynor, and we have an open roster spot now -- in case we want to add a 10-day guy from the D League.

It's a horrible trade, in the sense that it's horrible to have to make the trade -- the guy Ernie expressly targeted and signed on day 1 of free agency was a total piece of crap.

And it's a horrible trade, because we have a guy we picked 6th in the draft who is so bad that all we get for him (and another guy and a high R2 pick) is a 40-year old backup point guard.

More of Ernie cooking up a bowl of soup, pissing in it, and then asking Wizards fans to drink it up! Tastes good, huh?

How this doesn't cost him his job I don't know. He should be fired the day after the trade deadline.

[hands11]

Just one 2nd rounder. Not a bad trade in itself, but #sowizards.

Vesely. Maynor. Having to give up a second round pick.

For a 37 year old backup pg.

Not only that, but the whole reason this move is necessary because: Shelvin Mack. Javaris Fricking Crittenton. Jordan Crawford. Nate Wolters. Price. Satoransky. Juan Carlos Navarro.

Wow. Just…

Wow.

Yeah, but all those wows had already happened and they should remain a reason to not re-up EG.

Where they were was trying to make the best of things from there.

So we finally after all this time finally have a back up vet PG. One that can actually teach Wall more about posting. Both those things are good. They also cleared a roster spot so they could add another player now if they want. That's good as well.

But they gave up Ves and a 2nd to do it. That's a failure.

But I'm going to enjoy tuning into Denver games now and see if Ves actually gets a chance to play. Looks like he would be competing against Darrell Arthur.

Ves has been freed. I'm happy for him.

Wonder if they will now audition some DL players or go Rodrigue Beaubois.

That's what makes me happy about this. They now have an open roster spot finally.

[JAR69]

The Zards desperately needed improved play (and playmaking) at a backup PG and Miller gives them that. It will also cut down on the wear and tear on JW.

Miller should help a lot of the 2nd unit players shine. Plus he is a vet and can teach Wall some of his tricks. The only thing I don't like about Miller is that he isn't a great outside shooter.

I'm interested to see if Miller will have a long-term impact on Wall's post-up game. I'd love him to teach John some of his crafty moves. Not only will it help Wall in the immediate future but it will prolong his career and make him less dependent on pure athleticism.

Webster may benefit more from having a crafty backup PG than anyone else (other than Wall). And they played together in Portland.

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[dobrojim]

Let me know when this trade makes us better

we don't have Maynor or Ves anymore and you're questioning whether it
makes us better?

yes this is EG cleaning up his own mess. Miller doesn't exactly have a great
defensive rep, but definitely improves us at backup PG. No ifs ands or buts.
He old as dirt but among the career leaders in assists.

It's a positive move.

[payitforward]

I should mention that I like Andre Miller -- he is a very good player, and he is still playing very well.

Phlly scores in this deal, btw. They only have @ $30m in guaranteed salary for next year, so they can just buy out Maynor's contract (you can count on it). And they are really rebuilding (not like Ernie Groundfold), and now they have a couple of extra and good R2 picks to work w/.

Ernie makes me sick. But... welcome Andre Miller. I'll like seeing him in a Wizards uni for the what 32-35 games? he'll wear one.

[closg00]

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Damn. This is a valuable asset.

Grunfelded and all aboard the playoff bus.

[dobrojim]

Let me know when this trade makes us better

Okay!



And...................................................now!

we can also activate GRJr since we lost 2 players off the roster and only got back one.

[hands11]

So if we like Miller and want to keep him, we get to pay him $4.625 million next year. And if we don't, we get to pay him $2 million not to play for us. How is this good?

I think the logic goes.

You were paying Maynor 2M to not play for you and you didn't want to have him smelling up the bench to do it. That money was already sunk cost.

So for the low low price of 2.6M over what you already sunk, you get an actually NBA player.
If not, 2M gets you an option roster spot.

It makes sense once you consider they already F'd themselves. Its better then were they were.

[AFM]

hashtag veteran leadership

[verbal8]

This is a lot like the Gortat deal on a smaller scale. Like the player for this season, but not a huge fan of the trade overall.

One thing that is interesting about the deal is that Denver has to throw in a pick. I am surprised that Minnesota couldn't put together a better deal.

[pcbothwel]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JMichaelCSN/status/436565596093038592[/tweet]

Damn. This is a valuable asset.

Crap.

It's a good trade in the sense that Andre Miller is obviously better than Eric Maynor, and we have an open roster spot now -- in case we want to add a 10-day guy from the D League.

It's a horrible trade, in the sense that it's horrible to have to make the trade -- the guy Ernie expressly targeted and signed on day 1 of free agency was a total piece of crap.

And it's a horrible trade, because we have a guy we picked 6th in the draft who is so bad that all we get for him (and another guy and a high R2 pick) is a 40-year old backup point guard.

More of Ernie cooking up a bowl of soup, pissing in it, and then asking Wizards fans to drink it up! Tastes good, huh?

How this doesn't cost him his job I don't know. He should be fired the day after the trade deadline.

I agree with you on most of your points. The only thing a disagree with you (and a lot of others on this board) is the NOP 2nd round pick. Please explain how it is "high". There looking at the #41 (11th in 2nd) overall this year. They have the best young big man and basketball and a very good and well rounded pg. I dont see how they dont improve quite a bit next year with AD and Jrue getting better, Anderson coming back from injury, and trading Gordon/Evans for another piece.

I think theyll finish just outside the lottery (around pick 45) and we'll finish about the same in the east as this year, but I assume we'll have a slightly better record though. So thats pick 50...

So really were talking about 5 spots in the middle-to-end of the 2nd round in 2015. I really dont see the difference

[Zonkerbl]

Why is the NOP second rounder a valuable asset?

Isn't it the 2015 second rounder? Shouldn't unibrow have carried them to a better record by then anyway?

[TGW]

Two losers who never paid for a legitimate backup with a contract we can terminate. I can buy it, although I don't like the second rounder going out at all.

[Dark Faze]

Ves is terrible

ERnie obviously sucks for his past mistakes but this was a great move from him

[ozthegandp]

so if we keep him next yr. its equivalent to resigning one of eg's kids for a yr. and if we cut him we lost a 2nd round pick for no gain whatsoever

edit: well the only "gain" would be a resigned wittman and 10 more yrs of eg

[ballaboveall65]

I like the trade in the sense that it brings in some veteran leadership. Miller is top 10 in assists of all time and is solid if not spectacular. With that being said once again Ernie, made a mistake selecting a European big in the draft. How good would a Wall and Curry backcout be. No disrespect to Beal. I will admit when I first heard we traded for Miller I was afraid it was for Ariza, which would have made me mad. He has been one of our better players all year. But now I am hearing rumblings about an Ariza for Deng swap. I am not sure, but I think I would prefer Ariza. I need to think on it more though. Hopefully this will have a positive affect on the 2nd unit and Wall down the stretch of games where he has run out of gas in the past.

[fishercob]

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Damn. This is a valuable asset.

The WIzards need a little luck.

New Orelans traded their '14 first to Philly in the Jrue Holiday deal. It is top-5 protected. If NOP has no first, it won't be easy for them to get better (they'll have some cap room, but not a ton). If they don't improve, this pick could indeed be valuable.

So lets hope New Orleans jumps up into the top 3 and gets a lot better next year.