Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

Dark Faze · Post #101 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:47 am

Okafor wasn't traded...really odd.

I wonder what it would take to get him back here. It would make a Gortat extension sting slightly less.

Upper Decker · Post #102 » by **Upper Decker** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:15 am

I'm actually really sad that Phoenix didn't get Gasol. What are the Lakers doing?

I'm not saying they'd win the championship with Gasol, but damn wouldn't they have been a nightmare for everyone out west with Gasol and Bledsoe come playoff time?

Serious question...are the Suns this good if they still had Gortat?

I don't think it's even a debate that they'd be worse becasue Plumlee is a strong athletic defender.

fishercob · Post #103 » by **fishercob** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:50 am

I'd give serious consideration to re-signing Ariza and trading Webster for Ilyasova. Milwaukee has three second round picks; they may consider including one (not there's) to make up for the salary delta.

Gortat, Nene, Ilyasova, Ariza, Porter, Beal, Wall, Miller, MLE, 2 2nds is a pretty decent team.

Post #104 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:01 am

^I'd be worried about a Gortat/Ersan frontcourt defensively, but we'd certainly be more balanced. Although I'm not sure they'd use the MLE after re-signing BOTH Gortat and Ariza, especially since Ersan's deal is also bigger than Webster's.

Hidden Eye · Post #105 » by **Hidden Eye** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:23 am

Ersan is slow and can't defend.. pass.

truwizfan4evr · Post #106 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:07 am

We got a second rounder from Philly?

jivelikenice · Post #107 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:42 am

Theoretically if we pick up the option on Miller and exceed the cap to re-sign Ariza and Gortat using Bird rights, can we use Martell in a S&T?

Nivek · Post #108 » by **Nivek** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:48 am

jivelikenice wrote:Theoretically if we pick up the option on Miller and exceed the cap to re-sign Ariza and Gortat using Bird rights, can we use Martell in a S&T?

Yes.

verbal8 · Post #109 » by **verbal8** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:01 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:We got a second rounder from Philly?

Where did you see that? It might be one of those "imaginary" 2nd rounders that are included just because a team needs to give up something in a trade.

hands11 · Post #110 » by **hands11** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:47 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Wizards couldn't trade their 2nd round pick and Chris Singleton for Jimmer?

There were lots of viable trades.

Hell, Hawes was just had for two 2nd round picks and Earl Clark.

If you were going to trade Ves, why not get Hawes in return ?

Can't say I am very impressed with what they just did given what other teams did and other options that seems very doable to the Wizards.

Plus the roster still has a glut of players who are huge questions. Singleton, Rice, Otto, AH
Ves was not a question. I know he could contribute in a meaningful way and in a position of need.

hands11 · Post #111 » by **hands11** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:02 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Really wish we could try Ariza at the 4 just once this year

Wall
Beal
Webster
Ariza
Gortat

Miller
GRJ
Porter
Book
Nene

Witt gonna Witt doe

That was what I thought they would start or with Nene in there.

Also it helps in another way. Webster is better ball handler then TA. I know that might not be saying much he is does help. And TA is a good rebounder.

But like you said, Wittman. He keeps telling us how the tell doesn't have top level horse to ride and how they need to share the ball and do it all together, yet he wants a tight rotation like the team is build like they do have that player. This team was always better in my book by player more players, not less.

But here is my tweak to your line ups. Specially since Wall and Beal rarely do well on the same night.

Wall
GRJ/Temple ( defensive SG like a DS type )
Webster
Ariza/Booker
Gortat

Miller
Beal
Porter
Kevin/Booker
Nene

But it won't happen that way. They will look to find 20-25 min for Miller. He is going to play more then back up PG for 12 mins a game.

Post #112 » by **nate33** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:24 pm

hands11 wrote:But here is my tweak to your line ups. Specially since Wall and Beal rarely do well on the same night.

Wall
GRJ/Temple ( defensive SG like a DS type )
Webster
Ariza/Booker
Gortat

Miller
Beal
Porter
Kevin/Booker
Nene

But it won't happen that way. They will look to find 20-25 min for Miller. He is going to play more then back up PG for 12 mins a game.

Ridiculous. You don't start Garrett freaking Temple over Beal. These are human beings Wittman is dealing with, not chess pieces. Benching Beal for an obviously inferior player is not going to be good for Beal's development nor for the team's success.

GhostsOfGil · Post #113 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:01 pm

I agree, replacing Beal with Temple would be awful.. but I do like Dark Faze idea of starting Ariza at the 4 and Webster at the 3. Gortats defense hasn't been great so the added offense and floor spacing of Webster seems like something worth trying.

truwizfan4evr · Post #114 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:14 pm

verbal8 wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:We got a second rounder from Philly?

Where did you see that? It might be one of those "imaginary" 2nd rounders that are included just because a team needs to give up something in a trade.

I seen it on comcast they show Philly giving us a protected second rounder.

truwizfan4evr · Post #115 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:25 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:We got a second rounder from Philly?

Where did you see that? It might be one of those "imaginary" 2nd rounders that are included just because a team needs to give up something in a trade.

I seen it on comcast they show Philly giving us a protected second rounder.

Not sure if they made a mistake or not.

jivelikenice · Post #116 » by **jivelikenice** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:28 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:I agree, replacing Beal with Temple would be awful.. but I do like Dark Faze idea of starting Ariza at the 4 and Webster at the 3. Gortats defense hasn't been great so the added offense and floor spacing of Webster seems like something worth trying.

I wouldn't start that lineup, but I'd use it during games. The problem is we rarely if ever go to small ball during the course of a game unless we're down 3 with 10 seconds to go.

popper · Post #117 » by **popper** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:27 pm

For the sake of argument, If one assumes Ariza wants to play elsewhere next season, does that mean we lose him and get nothing in return or is there a good chance we can do a sign and trade?

Post #118 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:30 pm

popper wrote:For the sake of argument, If one assumes Ariza wants to play elsewhere next season, does that mean we lose him and get nothing in return or is there a good chance we can do a sign and trade?

Sure, it's a real possibility IMO. Most seem to think he'll command more than the MLE, so all it takes to get it started is a team that can only offer the MLE to really want Ariza. Assuming it's a team that he wants to go to, they'll have to work something out.

dckingsfan · Post #119 » by **dckingsfan** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:06 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:I agree, replacing Beal with Temple would be awful.. but I do like Dark Faze idea of starting Ariza at the 4 and Webster at the 3. Gortats defense hasn't been great so the added offense and floor spacing of Webster seems like something worth trying.

I wouldn't start that lineup, but I'd use it during games. The problem is we rarely if ever go to small ball during the course of a game unless we're down 3 with 10 seconds to go.

Yep, Randy seems to have a problem going small... which is ridiculous (in my mind), since Ariza rebounds better than all of our PFs

And no, we suffer through with Beal as the starter - this is a growth season for him. Hopefully he makes a huge jump next year or we are screwed...

TGW · Post #120 » by **TGW** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
hands11 wrote:But here is my tweak to your line ups. Specially since Wall and Beal rarely do well on the same night.

Wall
GRJ/Temple ( defensive SG like a DS type )
Webster
Ariza/Booker
Gortat

Miller
Beal
Porter
Kevin/Booker
Nene

But it won't happen that way. They will look to find 20-25 min for Miller. He is going to play more then back up PG for 12 mins a game.

Ridiculous. You don't start Garrett freaking Temple over Beal. These are human beings Wittman is dealing with, not chess pieces. Benching Beal for an obviously inferior player is not going to be good for Beal's development nor for the team's success.

And this is the guy who rags on Whitman for making poor rotations.