Wizards Trade for Andre Miller

[dobrojim]

The wizards piling up washed up Denver vets.

The Nuggets piling up Wizards busts

Who wins this three - on - three?

Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Nene Hilario

Vs.

Randy Foye, Jan Vesely, and Javale McGee

the answer to that question is not particularly important.

[dobrojim]

Anyone think a 37 year old, out of shape PG with massive mileage won't be injured within a few weeks?

Happy we dumped Maynor but not seeing Miller being much more than a "veteran presence".

someone earlier in the thread reminded us that Miller has been remarkable durable
in his career. Given his age, injuries are def a concern, but less a concern for someone
like Miller who's history has been quite good in that regard.

[dobrojim]

Of course. Classic EG. Where's the "I give up" smiley?

this is such a classic Ernie move.....making a mad dash for mediocrity by trading big and young for old and small.
Braking all the cardinal rules. Granted Miller is an upgrade at the 2nd unit pg spot but without Veseley we're pretty thin at the 4/5 and not very big. EG screwed up royally with the Veseley pick but he was just starting to be semi productive. Watch Veseley blossom now ...reminds me of Rod Strickland for Rasheed Wallace. If theres an injury to Gortat or Nene who do we have on the bench now??? Booker at 6'7" or Seraphin at 6'9"?

EG is the king of the unimpressive trade and the king of bad draft picks. Fire his ass already.

to all the folks who are talking about breaking the Webber/Richmond rule, young/old/big/small,
Jan Vesely was/is NOT Chris Webber.

[payitforward]

Anyone think a 37 year old, out of shape PG with massive mileage won't be injured within a few weeks?

Happy we dumped Maynor but not seeing Miller being much more than a "veteran presence".

someone earlier in the thread reminded us that Miller has been remarkable durable
in his career. Given his age, injuries are def a concern, but less a concern for someone
like Miller who's history has been quite good in that regard.

Miller has always played well. He's an excellent PG. And Ernie accomplished both his main goals: 1) look like you're doing something, and 2) get your mistakes out of town in trades rather than having to cut them -- which makes it kind of obvious they were mistakes (don't want that....).

If he plays, he'll be a plus. Even if he only plays a few weeks. He isn't the problem. The need to trade for him and to get rid of Ernie's stupidities -- that's the problem.

[dobrojim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJeUBCeAv1E&sns=em

When do the Wizards ever fake another team out?

Um, HELLO. Barkley thinks we're the third best team in the East.

funny, but Barkley ain't a 'team'. He's out there on his own.

[dobrojim]

anyone got the 411 on the pick that espn reported is coming back to us.
all I heard was that it was conditional.

edit - did a little research - found nothing so far about the pick coming back to
us other than it is a conditional 2014 2nd rnd pick.

but I did read that the pick we sent out actually was the Clippers pick so
it would be a pretty late 2nd round pick (in the mid high 50s) ie not worth all that much.

oops - my bad, the Clippers got it from NOP, so it's the pick we thought it was.

[Rafael122]

Is Miller suiting up tomorrow?

[Zonkerbl]

Anyone think a 37 year old, out of shape PG with massive mileage won't be injured within a few weeks?

Happy we dumped Maynor but not seeing Miller being much more than a "veteran presence".

someone earlier in the thread reminded us that Miller has been remarkable durable
in his career. Given his age, injuries are def a concern, but less a concern for someone
like Miller who's history has been quite good in that regard.

He's a Marc Jackson clone (hopefully!).

[Zonkerbl]

anyone got the 411 on the pick that espn reported is coming back to us.
all I heard was that it was conditional.

edit - did a little research - found nothing so far about the pick coming back to
us other than it is a conditional 2014 2nd rnd pick.

but I did read that the pick we sent out actually was the Clippers pick so
it would be a pretty late 2nd round pick (in the mid high 50s) ie not worth all that much.

oops - my bad, the Clippers got it from NOP, so it's the pick we thought it was.

For the trade to be legal, Phillie has to actually trade something. So they gave us a top 59 protected second rounder. You can ignore it.

[Zonkerbl]

Anyone think a 37 year old, out of shape PG with massive mileage won't be injured within a few weeks?

Happy we dumped Maynor but not seeing Miller being much more than a "veteran presence".

someone earlier in the thread reminded us that Miller has been remarkable durable
in his career. Given his age, injuries are def a concern, but less a concern for someone
like Miller who's history has been quite good in that regard.

Miller has always played well. He's an excellent PG. And Ernie accomplished both his main goals: 1) look like you're doing something, and 2) get your mistakes out of town in trades rather than having to cut them -- which makes it kind of obvious they were mistakes (don't want that....).

If he plays, he'll be a plus. Even if he only plays a few weeks. He isn't the problem. The need to trade for him and to get rid of Ernie's stupidities -- that's the problem.

What did Ernie ultimately get from the #6 and #18 picks of the 2011 draft?

A three month rental of a 37 year old backup PG and a roster slot.

[jivelikenice]

^Not sure why he's a 3-month rental. He could easily be here next year. And the '11 draft is a sunk cost - independent of this trade analysis....

[hands11]

Mike Wilbon.... what an idiot.

I just heard him on the radio. How does he have a job? He was spewing out stuff and didn't even know what he was talking about. Didn't even know what year Wall was in. He said, what is Wall in... year 3.. year 4 ? And that was just one idiot thing he said.

He is such a know nothing and forgettable that I even forgot is last name because he hasn't been relevant in like 20 years since he and Tony were hot covering the Redskins.

Amazing.

[hands11]

Of course he will hands. My main man Andre is gonna teach him how to use that big booty to create space (dude has a donk for sure) and gain position

Can he also teach Kevin ?

[jivelikenice]

Mike Wilbon.... what an idiot.

I just heard him on the radio. How does he have a job? He was spewing out stuff and didn't even know what he was talking about. Didn't even know what year Wall was in. He said, what is Wall in... year 3.. year 4 ? And that was just one idiot thing he said.

He is such a know nothing and forgettable that I even forgot is last name because he hasn't been relevant in like 20 years since he and Tony were hot covering the Redskins.

Amazing.

Wouldn't call him an idiot but he's gone the talking head route and just rants nonsensically at times, especially on D.C. teams to rile up ppl. He kept referring to the Kwame pick on his segment and lumped it in with Vesely and Otto (who is TBD)....

[dobrojim]

in the Post this morning it quoted EG as saying they expect Miller to be suited
up on Saturday. We'll see what that means.

[Upper Decker]

So wait, Wizards get Andre Miller for a 2nd round pick, and the Pacers get Turner for a 2nd round pick...

Most people seem very happy with EG's trade, but I don't understand. If Washington could have gotten Turner, who'd be a better PG, for a 2nd why Andre Miller?

Turner is

1. not a PG, he's a SF and we already have 2 (or more) decent quality SFs.

2. while perhaps not a bust, a disappointment as a #2 overall pick. I think Dat
described it well, he's ball dominant and ends up taking what are probably a lot
of bad shots. He's good at that, but it's not a 'skill' that helps your team very much.

Turner is a strong ball handler and more than capable of running the offense against back-ups. He's been a disappointment as the #2 overall pick, but that's because he's been a slightly below average player. However, pitted against back-ups he'd me more than adequate and certainly much better than Andre Miller. Part of the reason Shaw benched Miller this year is because he's not good any longer.

[dobrojim]

come on man - Turner is a good ball handler for a SF. But he's not going
to end up in the top 10 all time assists. He's NOT a PG. We needed a backup
PG. To suggest that we blew it by not trading for him but rather for Miller
is kinda silly. We don't need any more SFs.

[AFM]

Part of the reason Shaw benched Miller this year is because he's not good any longer.

What? Not true.

[Rafael122]

Miller practiced today apparently, and judging from the pics he looks to be in shape.

[tontoz]

Denver has Lawson and Nate Robinson. I think that is the reason Miller wasn't playing.

Sure Miller is old but i don't think it is fair to say he can't play any more.