New Pacers Evan Turner and Lavoy Allen

Moooose · Post #1 » by **Moooose** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:51 pm

I mourned and grieved almost the whole day today because of Granger getting traded. I am really going to miss seeing him with the guys, notably with PG.

But we have to move on, right? The trade wasn't a bad one, it was just a very sad one.

Both Turner and Allen will be restricted FA's next season. And in all honesty, I think of them as one year rentals. Not really sure if we can afford to sign them both for long term, but these two guys are obviously on their way up. I am not that knowledgeable on contracts and numbers, but do we really have a chance on retaining both of them cap wise? With a realistic option of trading some players as necessary?

I think of Turner as an alternative, should Lance demand a higher contract. Though it seems unlikely.

I like Lavoy Allen a lot, he could be a very serviceable big down his career and could eventually replace Scola or Mahinmi's spot in the rotation if we need to move either one of them.

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:58 pm

It's not outside the realm of possibilities that we could try and work out a 2-3 year deal for Allen for less money than Ian makes, and POSSIBLY move Ian to a team starved for a backup 5. Not likely, but possible.

Skates · Post #3 » by **Skates** » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:23 pm

From a Sixers' point of view, Allen isn't really a bad player. He has a big body and will put it on someone and use his fouls, can hit a mid range jump shot with regularity and has lost some weight and gotten into the best shape of his career as of late. If your coaching staff and players keep on him you might be pleasantly surprised, he is a competent fourth big man when motivated and in shape.

Turner? Yeah, good luck with that. Stephenson is light years better, overpaying a bit for him makes more sense than trying to sign Turner next year. If he ever accepts being a limited role player Turner could be a nice glue guy. It may be much easier to do that on a team where he wasn't the second pick in the draft. He's crafty at times, disappears and becomes passive and moody at others (like weird emo moody), has a good handle, but overdribbles. If any of your players need lessons on how to get their shot blocked, Evan can teach them, though at least this year he has drawn a few fouls.

mikepacernation · Post #4 » by **mikepacernation** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:24 am

Do anyone know if turner will play tomorrow?

Post #5 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:25 am

mikepacernation wrote:Do anyone know if turner will play tomorrow?

Last I saw on Twitter was likely to be Sunday before the new guys are truly playing.

8305 · Post #6 » by **8305** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 4:55 pm

Skates wrote:Turner? Yeah, good luck with that. Stephenson is light years better, overpaying a bit for him makes more sense than trying to sign Turner next year. If he ever accepts being a limited role player Turner could be a nice glue guy. It may be much easier to do that on a team where he wasn't the second pick in the draft. He's crafty at times, disappears and becomes passive and moody at others (like weird emo moody), has a good handle, but overdribbles. If any of your players need lessons on how to get their shot blocked, Evan can teach them, though at least this year he has drawn a few fouls.

That's my thought with Turner too. He is not a lead scorer or even a guy who should be dominating the ball (at least not on a good NBA basketball team). Unfortunately, when you are a wing player picked #2 in the draft you expect one or the other. He needs to figure out what type player he is on a good NBA basketball team and that is hard to do when you aren't on one. It will be interesting to see how quickly he can figure that out.

Its not like he doesn't have some skills and I expect he will be a better defender in Indiana than he was in Philly.

Alienware · Post #7 » by **Alienware** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:13 pm

From a fantasy standpoint, how much minutes do you expect Lavoy to play per game?
He has been good for me this year, but I think it's time to dump him.

mikepacernation · Post #8 » by **mikepacernation** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:08 pm

Alienware wrote:From a fantasy standpoint, how much minutes do you expect Lavoy to play per game?
He has been good for me this year, but I think it's time to dump him.

probly won't see a minute a game because if how much depth we have at PF

mikepacernation · Post #9 » by **mikepacernation** » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:24 pm

Skates wrote:From a Sixers' point of view, Allen isn't really a bad player. He has a big body and will put it on someone and use his fouls, can hit a mid range jump shot with regularity and has lost some weight and gotten into the best shape of his career as of late. If your coaching staff and players keep on him you might be pleasantly surprised, he is a competent fourth big man when motivated and in shape.

Turner? Yeah, good luck with that. Stephenson is light years better, overpaying a bit for him makes more sense than trying to sign Turner next year. If he ever accepts being a limited role player Turner could be a nice glue guy. It may be much easier to do that on a team where he wasn't the second pick in the draft. He's crafty at times, disappears and becomes passive and moody at others (like weird emo moody), has a good handle, but overdribbles. If any of your players need lessons on how to get their shot blocked, Evan can teach them, though at least this year he has drawn a few fouls.

you seem the be forgetting that the pacers have a great track record of making bad players pretty good I mean look at PG lance Roy and even Danny. None of them were highly recruited or even looked at and the pacers made them into something . I feel that if turner were to stay around the pacers long he would actually turn into something.

JeremyGray35 · Post #10 » by **JeremyGray35** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:03 pm

Honestly I really like Turner. I'd love to keep him and switch Lance to the 1.

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:38 pm

Alienware wrote:From a fantasy standpoint, how much minutes do you expect Lavoy to play per game?
He has been good for me this year, but I think it's time to dump him.

Well, barring injury or a planned reduction of minutes and occasional rests for guys, he doesn't project in the rotation. He's got West, Scola, and Copeland ahead of him at the PF spot, and Hibbert, Mahinmi, and eventually Bynum ahead of him at center.

I'd drop him if you can't afford taking a HUGE risk by hoping that two big men get hurt here.

Wizop · Post #12 » by **Wizop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:52 pm

JeremyGray35 wrote:Honestly I really like Turner. I'd love to keep him and switch Lance to the 1.

I'd like to see us try sitting Hill for some part of the game to find out if Lance, Evan, and Paul can play together. I doubt they'd be so great together that we'd want to trade Hill in the summer but it would be a pleasant surprise if it worked.

Wizop · Post #13 » by **Wizop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:53 pm

Alienware wrote:From a fantasy standpoint, how much minutes do you expect Lavoy to play per game?
He has been good for me this year, but I think it's time to dump him.

zero. odds are that for now Bynum and Allen are the two inactives.

8305 · Post #14 » by **8305** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:24 pm

Wizop wrote:
JeremyGray35 wrote:Honestly I really like Turner. I'd love to keep him and switch Lance to the 1.

I'd like to see us try sitting Hill for some part of the game to find out if Lance, Evan, and Paul can play together. I doubt they'd be so great together that we'd want to trade Hill in the summer but it would be a pleasant surprise if it worked.

Might be an interesting experiment but if we committ too many turnovers now....

mikepacernation · Post #15 » by **mikepacernation** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:33 pm

Wizop wrote:
JeremyGray35 wrote:Honestly I really like Turner. I'd love to keep him and switch Lance to the 1.

I'd like to see us try sitting Hill for some part of the game to find out if Lance, Evan, and Paul can play together. I doubt they'd be so great together that we'd want to trade Hill in the summer but it would be a pleasant surprise if it worked.

I would love to see if that lineup works the next couple games are the best to try that out on

Wizop · Post #16 » by **Wizop** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:13 pm

I wouldn't rush it. the next few games are against below 500 teams, but I think we want to get Turner comfortable on the wing before we ask him to initiate the offense.

8305 · Post #17 » by **8305** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:46 am

Right now Turner projects to get the backup minutes for Lance and Paul George. I wonder about tweaking things so that Turner gets back up minutes for Hill and Lance. Then give the backup minted for Paul to Butler. Essentially you would be sliding Butler into Watson's spo. Question is, would this improve anything? Could Butler improve the perimeter shooting along with creating a potential mismatch forcing the opposition backup pg to defend a wing player? I suppose the one could argue that Butler isn't that much better a shooter than Watson while not having comparable ball handling skills. Just a thought.

Wizop · Post #18 » by **Wizop** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm

8305 wrote:Right now Turner projects to get the backup minutes for Lance and Paul George. I wonder about tweaking things so that Turner gets back up minutes for Hill and Lance.

probably depends upon matchups. maybe if the other team has a big point guard but I think Turner gets Danny's minutes first and we see how that goes.

8305 · Post #19 » by **8305** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:00 pm

I think you are right. As an organization I think the Pacers appreciate the value of continunity despite the two big moves we've seen in the last couple of weeks. In a perfect world Turner slides in for Granger, Bynum for Mahamni while Scola comes out of his shooting slump and Watson returns to the form he showed a month or so back. If all those things happen you would have the think the Pacer bench would be a legit weapon. Can't blame Vogel for thinking in those terms.