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Post#61 » by 42uptop » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:55 am

Better ballhandling, better shooting (not that Wiggins' shot is bad by any means), and offensive sets can be taught. Wiggins' athletic gifts cannot be taught. So yes, a lot of Wiggins' hype is based on potential because that is what NBA GMs look for in a superstar-driven league. That is not a difficult concept to understand. Wiggins is a prize while the Kyle Andersons and the Doug McDermotts of the world are not because they have physical limitations to their game.

You do realize that we aren't running a decathlon here, right?

This is the biggest misnomer about college prospects and it drives me nuts. The athleticism argument works when you are debating players who will not translate to the next level. It does NOT mean that as long as you are an athlete you can be excused for a lack of basketball talent. You need more than just athletic ability to be a great NBA player.
And LOL and naming some of the most important skills for a 3 in the NBA to have and acting like they don't mean anything. "Yeah, he moves well off the ball and uses athleticism to create rebound/putback op portunities and shoots the 3 and is great in transition and plays team ball BUT DOES HE HAVE A FULLY DEVELOPED OFFENSIVE REPERTOIRE AND POINT FORWARD SKILLS AT AGE 19?"

The funny thing is, most of the things you listed aren't even true. He is not creating rebound and putback opportunities, the guy gets less than 6 rebounds per game. If you think shooting 35 % from the college 3 is a point in his favor, then you are clueless. There is no other way to put it. And he plays team ball? Based on what? If Andrew Wiggins plays team ball by barely averaging 1 assist per game then I guess every NBA prospect does the same. Not a point in his favor.
None of the prospects in this class are LeBron James caliber players. Not one person thinks Wiggins is supposed They might not even be Kevin Durant caliber players. If we're only evaluating college production then Parker has been a disappointment, Embiid can't stay on the floor, and Smart has shown little sign of improvement. None of this means Wiggins can't be a special player and shouldn't be going near the top. You act like there's nothing in between average scrub starter and top 10 all-time player.

All in all this is the worst serious post I have seen in a long while. If Parker is a disappointment by outproducing Wiggins in virtually every statistical category despite being ranked below him as a prospect, then Wiggins has been a trainwreck by comparison. Embiid has struggled to stay on the floor, and of course to you that's a critical flaw. But all of Wiggins flaws can be swept under the rug, while we nitpick players who are better than him right now.

There are several indications that Wiggins has no shot to be a special player. The fact that he struggles to finish at the rim despite being " a terrific athlete," the fact that he disappears every few games and winds up hurting his team, the fact that he is not a good shooter nor can he create offense with any consistency, the fact that he is supposed to be a great defender but no statistical evidence backs this up, the fact that he is forced to play off the ball because he lacks the skills necessary to be a go to guy on offense.

But nobody wants to acknowledge any of this. Instead the pro-Wiggins crowd will continue to pick nits at every other prospect in order to prop him up. It's annoying because people like yourself eliminate the possibility of any objective talk about the prospects on this board. It's all just excuses and slurping of certain players
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Re: Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer? 

Post#62 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:11 pm

^that was one of the worst and most illogical posts since…well, noobcake in this thread. There are too many logical fallacies and purposefully disingenuous responses to my points to sift through. I'd suggest actually reading my post again instead of skimming through it and looking for your favorite agenda-driven anti-Wiggins buzz terms. I have never said that Wiggins was some can't miss prospect with absolutely no faults, but that the way he is being evaluated is ridiculous.
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Post#63 » by 42uptop » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:39 pm

^ Ok, I wasn't expecting a logical response from you anyway. You don't have any ammo so I'll leave it alone
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Re: Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer? 

Post#64 » by MiltownHawkeye » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:12 am

42uptop wrote:You do realize that we aren't running a decathlon here, right?

This is the biggest misnomer about college prospects and it drives me nuts. The athleticism argument works when you are debating players who will not translate to the next level. It does NOT mean that as long as you are an athlete you can be excused for a lack of basketball talent. You need more than just athletic ability to be a great NBA player.


You are arguing in absolutes. Just because Wiggins' top athleticism is his best trait as a prospect, you make it sound like he's completely deficient in every other area in the game of basketball. If he was just a 6'8 kid who could run fast and jump high he wouldn't have been a top HS prospect nor would he be a top scorer on one of the best teams in the country. Your way of evaluating prospects seems pretty garbage if you think a lack of polish at the age of 19 means those skills can never be developed. Throw away any young player with special physical gifts because their freshman season in college isn't blowing you away.

The funny thing is, most of the things you listed aren't even true. He is not creating rebound and putback opportunities, the guy gets less than 6 rebounds per game. If you think shooting 35 % from the college 3 is a point in his favor, then you are clueless. There is no other way to put it. And he plays team ball? Based on what? If Andrew Wiggins plays team ball by barely averaging 1 assist per game then I guess every NBA prospect does the same. Not a point in his favor.


How about reading the post I was quoting instead of taking it out of context? Noobcake said "all Wiggins does is cut, play the garbage man, transition, and shoot spot-up jumpers." I responded to that by saying that those are all good skills for a wing in the NBA to have, and he is showing them as a freshman. Those are reasons he is a top prospect.

I'm curious as to how you think Wiggins averages his 16 points a game. Because apparently 6 rebounds for a 2/3 isn't good and happens all the time on top NCAA teams as freshmen, and he apparently is not creating rebound or putback opportunities. 35% from 3 is apparently a horrendous figure. He has no idea how to dribble the basketball because he is a decathalon runner with no basketball talent. He can't be cutting off the ball or opening up scoring opportunities for his teammates off the ball because he's not a team player. After all, 1.7 assists a game tells you all you need to know about how a 2/3 operates in a team system. And nothing else. So how does he score his points? Is the hype train scoring them for him?

all in all this is the worst serious post I have seen in a long while. If Parker is a disappointment by outproducing Wiggins in virtually every statistical category despite being ranked below him as a prospect, then Wiggins has been a trainwreck by comparison. Embiid has struggled to stay on the floor, and of course to you that's a critical flaw. But all of Wiggins flaws can be swept under the rug, while we nitpick players who are better than him right now.


Parker can be considered a disappointment because his conference production and efficiency fell off a cliff. He was putting up gaudy numbers in OoC play and is shooting 41.5% from the field and 26.8% from 3. Conference play shows how players perform when the level of competition is raised, teams have started to figure out and see you multiple times. Wiggins has improved his 3-point shooting (39%) and efficiency (55% TS) in conference play, and similar PPG to Parker. Wiggins is using 24.7% of possessions while Parker is using 32%.

Embiid is averaging 22.3 minutes a game and 3.4 personal fouls. He is not particularly physically tough and has had to miss some time. He cannot stay on the floor on a consistent basis yet. Those are facts. That does not mean anything for his future potential, and I absolutely never said it did, but you're so bad at reading comprehenson that you probably think I'm arguing for Wiggins over Embiid based on their college production.

Conference play does not tell the entire store but it tells a significant portion of it, if you want to go the route of solely using stats. But that is **** stupid when it comes to projecting NBA talent and upside. That is what I was arguing, sorry if that's over your head.

There are several indications that Wiggins has no shot to be a special player. The fact that he struggles to finish at the rim despite being " a terrific athlete," the fact that he disappears every few games and winds up hurting his team, the fact that he is not a good shooter nor can he create offense with any consistency, the fact that he is supposed to be a great defender but no statistical evidence backs this up, the fact that he is forced to play off the ball because he lacks the skills necessary to be a go to guy on offense.

But nobody wants to acknowledge any of this. Instead the pro-Wiggins crowd will continue to pick nits at every other prospect in order to prop him up. It's annoying because people like yourself eliminate the possibility of any objective talk about the prospects on this board. It's all just excuses and slurping of certain players

I have never denied that he needs to be stronger finishing at the rim (although he has an excellent free throw rate), or that he "disappears every few games" (name all these great prospects this year that haven't had any bad games), or that he's not a great facilitator. You are putting words in my mouth (a common theme) and assume I'm blindly supporting Wiggins and saying he's some can't miss prospect. I am simply explaining why he is a top 3 prospect. I don't think he's better than Embiid, and I do not necessarily even think he's a significantly better prospect than Parker. But he is obviously a cut above everyone else aside from maybe Exum, and that's for a reason. His athletic potential gives him a lot of upside. He could also be just an average player. Who knows? But you're the one that's making it into a name-calling contest and getting emotionally invested into propping up certain guys and putting down other ones.
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Post#65 » by 42uptop » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:31 am

You are arguing in absolutes. Just because Wiggins' top athleticism is his best trait as a prospect, you make it sound like he's completely deficient in every other area in the game of basketball. If he was just a 6'8 kid who could run fast and jump high he wouldn't have been a top HS prospect nor would he be a top scorer on one of the best teams in the country. Your way of evaluating prospects seems pretty garbage if you think a lack of polish at the age of 19 means those skills can never be developed. Throw away any young player with special physical gifts because their freshman season in college isn't blowing you away.

:roll: How about let's have the freedom to criticize a prospect on here if he does not blow us away? You have made the argument that Wiggins being athletic is why he is being projected as a future superstar and is what sets him apart from players with better skillsets and better basketball skills. I heard you, the other guy heard you, and it is just as stupid and misguided of an argument as it was when you discussed it earlier.

I'm curious as to how you think Wiggins averages his 16 points a game. Because apparently 6 rebounds for a 2/3 isn't good and happens all the time on top NCAA teams as freshmen, and he apparently is not creating rebound or putback opportunities. 35% from 3 is apparently a horrendous figure. He has no idea how to dribble the basketball because he is a decathalon runner with no basketball talent. He can't be cutting off the ball or opening up scoring opportunities for his teammates off the ball because he's not a team player. After all, 1.7 assists a game tells you all you need to know about how a 2/3 operates in a team system. And nothing else. So how does he score his points? Is the hype train scoring them for him?

Woah woah woah. I didn't question his points per game. You have used your complete lack of reading comprehension skills to completely misconstrue a very simple response. Your points were wrong. He is not some rebounding specimen that is getting putbacks like you indicate he is. He is not a good, or even average 3 point shooter for the college 3 point line. You still have yet to tell me how he is any more of a team player than the other prospects, because A) He isn't, and you wouldn't know because you don't know anything about these prospects, and B) Playing passive basketball is your definition of being a "team guy" which is hilarious. I love how you talked about dribbling and scoring skills when I never addressed them (though it's not like Wiggins is good at those either). So you are confusing me for someone else or you are projecting too hard. You were wrong, it's ok to move on

Conference play does not tell the entire store but it tells a significant portion of it, if you want to go the route of solely using stats. But that is **** stupid when it comes to projecting NBA talent and upside. That is what I was arguing, sorry if that's over your head.

If stats don't matter, why are you bringing up 16 ppg? Selective amnesia? Or do you alone decide which stats matter? The delicious irony here is that half of my criticisms were not based around statistics at all, so I might as well be arguing with a brick wall for all the insight this post provided

The rest of your response was not worth my time. If you are upset that I am criticizing your favorite player have a little cry and then come back to the internet. We're all friends here 8-)
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Re: Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer? 

Post#66 » by noobcake » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:47 am

Smh, Wiggins' lack of potential has never been any clearer after tonight's game. All garbage points seriously mixed in with some superstar calls. I can't bother reading any of the responses in this thread because there are no statistical arguments in support of Wiggins. Every eye test argument boils down to potential and athleticism.

I think Parker is a much better prospect than Wiggins but Embiid is just straight up on a different level right now. I'm just so impressed every time I watch him.

Parker's jump shot has turned to **** recently. The thing is that scouts generally regarded Parker as an elite shooter, so we'll have to see if he'll heat up anytime soon. Parker is rebounding so much that he is actually beating Randle in rebounding percentage during the past 10 games.
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Re: Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer? 

Post#67 » by Big_C_KU » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:18 pm

noobcake wrote:Smh, Wiggins' lack of potential has never been any clearer after tonight's game. All garbage points seriously mixed in with some superstar calls. I can't bother reading any of the responses in this thread because there are no statistical arguments in support of Wiggins. Every eye test argument boils down to potential and athleticism.

I think Parker is a much better prospect than Wiggins but Embiid is just straight up on a different level right now. I'm just so impressed every time I watch him.

Parker's jump shot has turned to **** recently. The thing is that scouts generally regarded Parker as an elite shooter, so we'll have to see if he'll heat up anytime soon. Parker is rebounding so much that he is actually beating Randle in rebounding percentage during the past 10 games.


Last night's game is not the game I'd use to describe Wiggins "lack of potential". He attacked the basket, hit a 3 coming off a double screen, hit a pull up floater, and got into the lane at will. He got bailed out on a call or 2 but when you're aggressive attacking the basket you're going to get fouls called in your favor. He also got hurt by 2 missed calls where he was fouled attacking the basket.

His handles appear to have gotten stronger as the season has gone on although he did lose the ball twice when driving not because of handles but because he wasn't strong with the ball in his hands. He also played exceptional defense all night last night.

He has some clear issues but they are things that are fairly correctable. He must get stronger. He needs to get better at using his athleticism to explode to basket in halfcourt set. Has good form but needs to be more consistent on jumper. Needs to finish better at rim. I think this has to do with being stronger, using athleticism better, having better timing, and keeping eyes on the rim. Luckily these areas are things players usually improve upon fairly quickly in the league.

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Post#68 » by crazy_me_87 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:58 pm

this^^

its easy to critisise him but looking at it objectively: yes he has flaws.. but his type of flaws are normaly corrected in the NBA under a good Coach in around 3 Seasons..

ballhandling: already gotten better as he plays... and can be trained.. look at Durant.. as a Rookie you couldn´t watch him dribble without cringing and look at him now

Shooting: not a real flaw good form just needs more training/repetition

Strenght: yeah easy to correct and he has a pretty solid frame should get up to 210-220 pretty comfortably

"Passiveness": seems to be gone the last 10 games... lets see how he is from now on

what i am trying to say..

he is and will stay a amazing prospect no matter what some naysayers claim

so is Parker and Embiid too to say Wiggins is amazing is not taking anything away from the other top prospects if they all pan out we have 3-5 Hall of Famers in this draft... why to we argue so much against them

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Post#69 » by GANGSTERDOG » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:00 am

I cant believe people believe he's not gonna be a Star. Dont know what to tell ya.

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Post#70 » by boateng » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:00 pm

Mik317 wrote:The level of hatred some seem to for the kid must mean he is doing something right. lol.

Wigginstans? really? That seriously hurts any arguement you may have, as it makes you seem like a hater from jump. You aren't going to make people understand when from jump you are insulting them...doesn't work that way

He's not perfect and isn't as gamechanging as advertised for sure but geez.....

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This!!1

What is even more scary is he hasn't even played in the NBA :lol: imagine if he turns out to be the superstar that was predicted.....the hate he will get will be venemous

i am really starting to understand the fact that being great get you haters. You would think he is a 10 year veteran the way everybody s writing him off.
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Post#71 » by boateng » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:05 pm

CablexDeadpool wrote:It's no use Noobcake.

Wiggins is probably the most unimpressive overhyped NBA prospect that since well Shabazz Muhammad and Harrison Barnes, I'ma take your words because it sounds nice, built on the alters of athleticism and "potential".

"But's he's 19 years old."

Lebron, Carmelo Anthony, Michael Beasley, Derrick Rose, Allen Iverson, OJ Mayo, Kevin Durant, James Harden and a countless of other perimeter players weren't devoid of elite ballskills at 19-20 years old. What made them elite prospects, was the fact they had ball skills on top of their athletic ability, not devoid of ball skills and just pure athletes.

That's what is wrong with BBALL today, nobody cares about the actual skills anymore. If you just jump high and your jumpshot doesn't look like crap, you got "potential".

He can learn how to dribble.
He can learn how to shoot.
He can learn how to run a pick and roll.

Once he gets drafted.

Basically you are telling me, teams might as well just draft the most athletic guy they can find and teach him how to play basketball. Might as well go get the best streetballers and teach them how to play organized basketball on an NBA level.

And the funny crap is, if Wiggins stayed another year and college and put up a measly 15 points a game, a lot of Wiggins slobbers on would change their tune, but since it's his freshmen year, "He got potential."

And people are comparing him to players that he currently doesn't even play like, just hoping he plays like Paul George and never seen Paul George play in college or read a Paul George scouting report but think somebody sat him down and taught him how to shoot one day (Paul George was never a bad shooter) after he was subpar in college, just hoping Wiggins plays like Tracy Mcgrady, just hoping he plays like Vince Carter etc etc etc.

When he plays like a Corey Brewer and a Trevor Ariza, but Wiggins is a Pokemon and he is going to evolve into Orlando Magic Tracy Mcgrady.


Wiggins can run fast and jump high and when you are athletically better than everybody else and you just zoom pass them, you look impressive and that's what he did in High School.

Then he gets into the NCAA and he's a pedestrian. He's boring. He has no ball skills. He is simply a cutter and a garbage man and a spot shooter and a transition player and last time I check, if you gonna draft a wing player number 1, they gotta be iso players, they gotta be able to handle the ball, they gotta be able to run pick and roll and gotta be able to shoot off the dribble.

But it's Wiggins and he's been hyped to death and people just can't let it go that he isn't some Lebron James caliber player.


It will be so interesting to read your comments in about 3 years time if Wiggins is a Durant/Melo level player :lol:
You will probs pretend you never said all this or will call him ''overrated''. :lol:
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Post#72 » by rockmanslim » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:42 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/435199630633357312[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/wallyball/status/435200915533205504[/tweet]
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January 23 Podcast -
Gary Parrish (Wiggins apologist) vs Jeff Goodman (Wiggins hater):
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... th-wiggins

18:45 mark: Even Gary Parrish, Wiggins apologist, gives credence to the the Rudy Gay comparison:
"With Wiggins, you could see him being, you know, Rudy Gay instead of Tracy McGrady"
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Post#73 » by Crazy-Canuck » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:32 pm

Goodman has it out for Wiggs in the worst way.

He's been calling Craft (Wisconsin) the superior player and would basically take a bench warmer off a third rate team in China over Wiggins in the draft.
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Post#74 » by noobcake » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:53 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Goodman has it out for Wiggs in the worst way.

He's been calling Craft (Wisconsin) the superior player and would basically take a bench warmer off a third rate team in China over Wiggins in the draft.


You know, it is because some people understand that perimeters players without half court skills and lack of good handles rarely ever become superstars.

Yes, you can develop handles but that development is the exception, not the norm. Not everyone can get to Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James level handles while starting from below average.
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Post#75 » by immortalone23 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:53 am

IMO he's like a Demar Derozan

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Post#76 » by Big_C_KU » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:50 am

immortalone23 wrote:IMO he's like a Demar Derozan


DeRozan is a solid comparison at similar stage although Wiggins impact on defense is much higher as a freshman than DeRozan's was. I think Wiggins can end up anywhere between what DeRozan is to what Paul George is in their primes which is one of the best wings in the NBA. How close he reaches George's level depends upon how much desire and work he puts-in in his career and how good of coaching he receives. Wiggins has "elite 2-way wing" potential in the NBA and if you can't see that now then you're never gonna be convinced of it.

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Post#77 » by MGrand15 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:41 pm

I'd say this is a worrying video if you're a Wiggins fan.

Just doesn't show that elite athleticism when he's near the rim here. Not very aggressive or explosive, rarely stays on balance after contact, never finishes strong in traffic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISjeKIuumE[/youtube]
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Post#78 » by Gilles » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:13 am

He is weak, so it's reasonable, that he doesn't finish strong in traffic. You often see him extending in those closing shots instead of exploding, which once again comes back to the lack of strength. It's a concern, he will need time in the pros to gain muscle, but it doesn't look like a huge obstacle.
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Post#79 » by rockmanslim » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:47 am

MGrand15 wrote:I'd say this is a worrying video if you're a Wiggins fan.

Just doesn't show that elite athleticism when he's near the rim here. Not very aggressive or explosive, rarely stays on balance after contact, never finishes strong in traffic.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISjeKIuumE[/youtube]


Some snippets from the article (linked in the video description):

The biggest wart preventing Wiggins from being a useful half-court scorer is his poor finishing ability. I compiled all of his rim attempts and a few short jumpers from 6 conference games (Iowa St x2, Baylor x2, @Texas, vs Oklahoma State). In sum he shot 41.4% from 2 in these games and averaged 14.5 pts, and he is averaging 42.4% from 2 and 16.4 ppg in conference play, so I think it’s a fair selection even if not the most flattering:

There’s no way around it: Andrew Wiggins has horrific touch around the rim and is completely inept at finishing in traffic. In 10 games against teams that are top 130 in both defense and block %, Wiggins is shooting just 22/72 (30.6%) from inside the arc. There’s likely bad variance on long 2′s in that sample, but the fact remains that it’s hard to find footage of him finishing over trees.


Again his half-court scoring splits look poor in comparison to those of his peers. This highlights why PJ Hairston is absolutely a lottery talent, as he is an elite weapon in the half-court with his endless barrage of high % 3′s. Again Jabari completely outclasses Wiggins on both volume and efficiency. Even Aaron Gordon scores with greater volume and efficiency in the half-court in spite of having a completely broken shot. Gary Harris is nearly as inefficient at 45.1%, but that seems in part due to fluke as he had a 53% half-court eFG as a freshman.

I also included transition stats to show that while I am weeding out a strength of Wiggins’ game, he isn’t a uniquely good transition scorer. He is among the best in this sample, but he doesn’t blow everybody away because he still struggles to finish when he doesn’t beat the entire defense down the court.

It is hard to say whether there have been any past examples of such poor half-court scorers who developed into stars, because nobody tracks these splits prior to 2011-2012. But this all stems from Wiggins’ inability to get to the rim and finish. He has converted a grand total of 30/58 (51.8%) half-court rim FG’s in 24 games. He has done a solid job of drawing free throws, but until he adds weight and becomes a respectable finisher, he will likely have a tough time fully translating this to the NBA.

Currently he has several problems, and none of them can be addressed independently of the others:

1) He does not have advanced ball handling skills to get to the hoop at will
2) He does not have the touch to finish contested shots in traffic
3) He doesn’t atone for his lack of touch by using his athleticism to dunk over everybody

He has issues with both creating and finishing, and he will need to address them simultaneously. If does make a stellar improvement skill-wise and add bulk to his frame, his tools will enable him to be a weapon in the half-court. Skills can be learned, tools cannot. But when he is starting so incredibly far behind his peers, is it realistic to project such drastic growth such that he is able to become a good attacker in the half-court against NBA defenses? It would be swell if it did happen, but it seems like a long shot to me. The best argument for his upside is that a sharp coach finds a way to unlock some hidden upside unseen by this analysis, but again this is not safe to bank on.

Realistically, I would expect Wiggins to continue to provide value in the areas where he currently does. The Thaddeus Young mold of 3′s, defense, and transition suits him well. Also he could contribute in other ways playing off the ball, such as finishing lobs and scoring on cuts and putbacks. A slightly toolsier Thad Young is a happy return on a pick in the middle of the lottery. But in the top 3, it is insane to take him on the outside shot that he mimics Paul George’s otherworldly development curve and becomes a two way superstar. It’s more likely that he becomes Marvin Williams (or worse) than Paul George (or better). Wiggins still has time to improve his stock, but at this stage I believe he belongs in the 4-9 range and I suspect that he will not be in the top 5 of my final big board. It is time to update the narrative that he is a rare prospect. Andrew Wiggins has rare tools but his skill level and employment of his tools are alarmingly worse than advertised.


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Re: Has Wiggins been compared to Cory Brewer? 

Post#80 » by Big_C_KU » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:03 pm

I have 2 major concerns with Wiggins.

1) Mentality. Does he have the mentality and desire to improve his skills and be the best he can be? It's obvious at times he lacks interest in games and have to wonder if he'll ever shake out of that and how far does that mentality go outside if the game to practice.

2) As noted, finishing at the rim. He has so many bad habits when driving and attempting to finish at the rim. He's gotten better at not avoiding the contact as the season has gone on but he still fails to absorb the contact and try and finish through it.

He also has horrendous timing. He picks up his dribble too far from the basket which means he takes off from too far away. Leads to him having to stretch over defenders to score and a lot of times shooting while on the way down which is never good.

Wiggins also tries to finish a lot of times off of one leg. This is where the exploding over opponents is most effected. You can't get to your highest vertical off of one leg and it also puts the body in an awkward stretching position to try and finish.

One thing I've seen though over the years is that 18-19 year olds are horrible finishers. Probably 80% of freshman struggle to score around the rim and the majority of them improve tremendously after a year or 2 at finishing. The problem is Wiggins came in with so much hype that he was expected to be a part of the % that was suppose to be great at finishing. I expect Wiggins finishing to improve as he enters the tournament as long as he looks to finish strong like he did vs Texas Tech. If he doesn't he won't look any better in that aspect.

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