Otto Porter

[pancakes3]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Apologies if this has been posted, but as far as I can tell, since 1983, there's been one top-3 pick to average under 10 minutes per game his rookie season.

That player?

Darko Milicic.

Otto is on track to join an exclusive group.

Milicic probably didn't start out his career injured, with two high quality players ahead of him on the depth chart from the jump though.

I'm failing to see who the two 'high quality' players are. I see a whole lot of average on the Wizards' roster.

And you don't think over the course of 30 years, other top-3 picks have had to beat out average/decent players for playing time?

A healthy Otto Porter would've probably been brought along slowly behind either Webster or Ariza being that they're veteran players. An injured Porter who's had to play catch-up with the entire team for most of the season really had no shot at supplanting either player this year.

You don't think the Heat, Thunder, or Spurs see Ariza and Webster as high quality players who could help their squads out greatly come playoff time?

Ariza was regarded as a major trade asset that could be dangled in front of other team's front office for a nice return for a reason...

[gtn130]

Porter isn't playing because he isn't good enough. Sure, he's behind after not having an offseason, but he looked awful in summer league, and he looks awful now. He can improve just like anyone else, but it's really hard to imagine this upcoming offseason being a world of difference for him.

And there's like a zero percent chance Porter isn't playing because of our wealth of depth. If he was actually impressing in practice, then they'd find a way to get him in the game. It's not that difficult to move Ariza and Webster around and play Booker and Temple a little bit less.

[ozthegandp]

Its hard to believe hes as bad as he is because every team had him in the top 5-10 in that draft. With Milicic it was lack of scouting not very many people saw him play that much. But Porter was on stage in front of the whole country. How did everyone so misjudge him? It doesn't make any sense.

[Mizerooskie]

A healthy Otto Porter would've probably been brought along slowly behind either Webster or Ariza being that they're veteran players. An injured Porter who's had to play catch-up with the entire team for most of the season really had no shot at supplanting either player this year.

You don't think the Heat, Thunder, or Spurs see Ariza and Webster as high quality players who could help their squads out greatly come playoff time?

Ariza was regarded as a major trade asset that could be dangled in front of other team's front office for a nice return for a reason...

I think the Heat, Thunder, and Spurs would see Ariza or Webster as decent role players who could help their squads out during their playoff runs.

If Otto didn't play at Georgetown, I predict he'd have no defenders.

[stevemcqueen1]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

Trevor is in his fourth year and plays PF & C. He competed with Vesely and Seraphin for those minutes. Otto only plays SF and he's competing with Ariza and Webster for those minutes.

[hands11]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

Trevor is in his fourth year and plays PF & C. He competed with Vesely and Seraphin for those minutes. Otto only plays SF and he's competing with Ariza and Webster for those minutes.

I believe they are talking about playing TA at PF as a S4. In that case, he would be competing with Booker. There are more dimensions than how you described it.

[nate33]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

Yup.

And not necessarily for Booker (who has been pretty solid and it's not a terrible thing if a rookie can't beat him out). If Porter was any good, he'd have taken all of Singleton's 149 minutes, plus the 200 or so odd minutes that Temple has played at SG (we would have played Webster at SG more, freeing up SF minutes). Those 350 minutes alone would have boosted his minutes played average to the 13-15 range.

Porter is a bad basketball player right now. I'm not saying he won't pan out, because some players just take a little longer to adjust to the speed of the game. All I'm saying is that there is definitely reason for concern. He could very well be another Ernie Grunfeld bust.

[pancakes3]

I'm optimistic though. Porter's game very much depends on the players around him since he's pretty much exclusively an off-ball player. With Miller coming in we can actually start exploring second unit rotations.

Miller
Webster
Porter
Booker
Seraphin

is not too shabby of a second unit considering a few seasons ago our starting lineup wouldn't be much better than that.

[mhd]

I'm optimistic though. Porter's game very much depends on the players around him since he's pretty much exclusively an off-ball player. With Miller coming in we can actually start exploring second unit rotations.

Miller
Webster
Porter
Booker
Seraphin

is not too shabby of a second unit considering a few seasons ago our starting lineup wouldn't be much better than that.

So the #3 pick MUST have good players around him to be successfull? Noel could affect the game on his own with his shotblocking, passing, and pick & roll defense. Porter just stands in the corner, gets bullied by opposing defenders, and makes terrible decisons.


Except, Porter won't ever get PT. Ariza: 32 MPG, Beal: 34 MPG, Webster: 30 MPG (split between SG & SF). Where is the PT?

[mhd]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

Yup.

And not necessarily for Booker (who has been pretty solid and it's not a terrible thing if a rookie can't beat him out). If Porter was any good, he'd have taken all of Singleton's 149 minutes, plus the 200 or so odd minutes that Temple has played at SG (we would have played Webster at SG more, freeing up SF minutes). Those 350 minutes alone would have boosted his minutes played average to the 13-15 range.

Porter is a bad basketball player right now. I'm not saying he won't pan out, because some players just take a little longer to adjust to the speed of the game. All I'm saying is that there is definitely reason for concern. He could very well be another Ernie Grunfeld bust.

I called it from day 1. Porter lacks the physical ability to warrant being taken over Noel (and even Len). EG always wanted to take Childress when he came out. Except Childress actually had an NBA body. Porter is weak, not explosive, and frankly, a huge bust.

[pancakes3]

So the #3 pick MUST have good players around him to be successfull? Noel could affect the game on his own with his shotblocking, passing, and pick & roll defense. Porter just stands in the corner, gets bullied by opposing defenders, and makes terrible decisons.

Not all #3 picks, just this #3 pick. For the record, I'm a huge Noel fan too and would swap the two in a heartbeat, sign unseen of what Noel was capable of. However, I don't think you can make any definitive statements of Porter's game. That's the curse of sample size. We can't say anything good, but we can't say anything bad either.

Except, Porter won't ever get PT. Ariza: 32 MPG, Beal: 34 MPG, Webster: 30 MPG (split between SG & SF). Where is the PT?

Is Beal still on a minute cap? I'm not much for for laying out minute distributions but something like:

Wall 32 Miller 16
Beal 30 Webster 10 Temple 8
Ariza 24 Webster 14 Porter 10
Nene 20 Ariza 10 Booker 10
Gortat 32 Nene 8 Seraphin 8

?

Hah, so basically shift the positions around a little and take 10 mpg from Booker - probably some time in the doldrums of the middle-2nd quarter. Give it a few games to see how he plays with Miller.

[dobrojim]

Trevor Booker's getting 20 mpg with us. If Porter was good enough, he'd be playing.

Yup.

And not necessarily for Booker (who has been pretty solid and it's not a terrible thing if a rookie can't beat him out). If Porter was any good, he'd have taken all of Singleton's 149 minutes, plus the 200 or so odd minutes that Temple has played at SG (we would have played Webster at SG more, freeing up SF minutes). Those 350 minutes alone would have boosted his minutes played average to the 13-15 range.

Porter is a bad basketball player right now. I'm not saying he won't pan out, because some players just take a little longer to adjust to the speed of the game. All I'm saying is that there is definitely reason for concern. He could very well be another Ernie Grunfeld bust.

I called it from day 1. Porter lacks the physical ability to warrant being taken over Noel (and even Len). EG always wanted to take Childress when he came out. Except Childress actually had an NBA body. Porter is weak, not explosive, and frankly, a huge bust.

everything you've posted about both OP and NN is pure speculation.
You could be perfectly correct or you could be WAY off.

How many of Singleton's minutes came before OP was even activated?

[Induveca]

Only one thing is certain thus far.....Porter has been trash. It would be one hell of a turnaround to reach the lofty expectations of some.

There was a ton of homerism going on from DC residents. Also Ted saw it as a way to attract more local fans (who are valued at 12 to 35 dollars per year even if they don't attend a game).

[hands11]

So the #3 pick MUST have good players around him to be successfull? Noel could affect the game on his own with his shotblocking, passing, and pick & roll defense. Porter just stands in the corner, gets bullied by opposing defenders, and makes terrible decisons.

Not all #3 picks, just this #3 pick. For the record, I'm a huge Noel fan too and would swap the two in a heartbeat, sign unseen of what Noel was capable of. However, I don't think you can make any definitive statements of Porter's game. That's the curse of sample size. We can't say anything good, but we can't say anything bad either.

Except, Porter won't ever get PT. Ariza: 32 MPG, Beal: 34 MPG, Webster: 30 MPG (split between SG & SF). Where is the PT?

Is Beal still on a minute cap? I'm not much for for laying out minute distributions but something like:

Wall 32 Miller 16
Beal 30 Webster 10 Temple 8
Ariza 24 Webster 14 Porter 10
Nene 20 Ariza 10 Booker 10
Gortat 32 Nene 8 Seraphin 8

?

Hah, so basically shift the positions around a little and take 10 mpg from Booker - probably some time in the doldrums of the middle-2nd quarter. Give it a few games to see how he plays with Miller.

Thats pretty much the same I had before Miller only with Temple at Millers shot. Randy did something like that for a game but then got away from it and Porter stopped getting any minutes.

[hands11]

Only one thing is certain thus far.....Porter has been trash. It would be one hell of a turnaround to reach the lofty expectations of some.

There was a ton of homerism going on from DC residents. Also Ted saw it as a way to attract more local fans (who are valued at 12 to 35 dollars per year even if they don't attend a game).

Yeah, well Bennett was bigger trash and he is starting to turn it around. I didn't want Otto as the pick but we just hasn't seen enough to judge. And there is the Randy factor to consider.

[mhd]

Only one thing is certain thus far.....Porter has been trash. It would be one hell of a turnaround to reach the lofty expectations of some.

There was a ton of homerism going on from DC residents. Also Ted saw it as a way to attract more local fans (who are valued at 12 to 35 dollars per year even if they don't attend a game).

Yeah, well Bennett was bigger trash and he is starting to turn it around. I didn't want Otto as the pick but we just hasn't seen enough to judge. And there is the Randy factor to consider.

Except Bennett always had the physical ability and explosiveness (i.e. the innate athletic ability). Porter is weak, rail thin, and unexplosive.

[Scabs304]

So the #3 pick MUST have good players around him to be successfull? Noel could affect the game on his own with his shotblocking, passing, and pick & roll defense. Porter just stands in the corner, gets bullied by opposing defenders, and makes terrible decisons.

Not all #3 picks, just this #3 pick. For the record, I'm a huge Noel fan too and would swap the two in a heartbeat, sign unseen of what Noel was capable of. However, I don't think you can make any definitive statements of Porter's game. That's the curse of sample size. We can't say anything good, but we can't say anything bad either.

Except, Porter won't ever get PT. Ariza: 32 MPG, Beal: 34 MPG, Webster: 30 MPG (split between SG & SF). Where is the PT?

Is Beal still on a minute cap? I'm not much for for laying out minute distributions but something like:

Wall 32 Miller 16
Beal 30 Webster 10 Temple 8
Ariza 24 Webster 14 Porter 10
Nene 20 Ariza 10 Booker 10
Gortat 32 Nene 8 Seraphin 8

?

Hah, so basically shift the positions around a little and take 10 mpg from Booker - probably some time in the doldrums of the middle-2nd quarter. Give it a few games to see how he plays with Miller.

i think Temple will be completely out of the equation so that is 8 minutes more available. I'm not a fan of playing Ariza as a stretch 4 though so this leaves us no room for porter unless the game is in hand or out of hand. Also take into account that wall will see some run at Sg here and there along side miller.

[hands11]

Might be more like this.

Wall 30 Miller 18
Beal 32 Webster 12 Wall 4
Ariza 30 Webster 18 ( maybe some for Otto from Websters mins. Web could go down as low as 20 min)
Nene 20 Booker 18 AH 8
Gortat 30 Nene 8 Seraphin 10

Randy went down to 8 players but now he is getting AH and Miller. Two vets. After he cleans up his shorts, he will be thinking of a way to work them in.

This has Webster at 30 mins. If Randy want to find Otto mins, he can take 6-10 from Webster, and get Otto in there with a real back up PG now to give him another chance out there. Shame Ves wasn't around to benefit from that but he will in Denver.

Wall 34
Beal 32
TA 30
Webster 30 - maybe as little as 20 with Otto taking 6-10 minutes
Nene 28
Gortat 30
Booker 18
A Miller 18
Kevin 10
AH 8

Otto, ??, ?? - who will be inactive.... Glen ?, Temple ? Singleton ? Maybe its Temple and Glen active. Temple is a pretty reliable defender at PG/SG and some SF and Glen can drive and defend pretty well.

Kevin gets more if they need what he bring more then what Booker does or AH does that night.

Now Randy has to figure out how to make that work like pulling Beal earlier and bring him back with the 2nd unit. He also might want to start Webster to make the rotations easier.

What is back out that roster is a couple things.

1) never more then one ball handler out there at a time still expect when Wall and Miller play together.
2) The post defense is weak
3) and the can cover speedy PGs

[nate33]

Might be more like this.

Wall 30 Miller 18
Beal 32 Webster 12 Wall 4
Ariza 30 Webster 18 ( maybe some for Otto from Websters mins. Web could go down as low as 20 min)
Nene 20 Booker 18 AH 8
Gortat 30 Nene 8 Seraphin 10

Randy won't be making room for Harrington if he plays both Booker and Seraphin. 4 bigs in one game is enough. Gortat, Nene and Booker will be absorbing those 8 minutes you're giving to Harrington.