We could get Harrison Barnes?

[paQo the BAWSER]

I'd give anything for him except Drummond, I think he's what this team needs.

[ImHeisenberg]

Why do you value him so highly? He hasn't been impressive this season, despite having an opportunity with Igoudala being injured and/or playing poorly.

He looks the part of a dominant wing player, but doesn't play it well.

Would I like to have him on the roster? Sure, despite not being a great player, he would still be the best wing player on this team.

Outside of Drummond and Monroe, I'd easily trade anyone from the rest of roster for him. But, the GSW wouldn't be so foolish as to agree to such a thing.

[haulerch]

Not impressed by him. I dont think GSW fans are that excited about him anymore either. Dude is still living off high school hype I guess if you are willing to trade anyone outside Drummond for him...

Give me Klay Thompson all day over Barnes.

[Clarity]

No, we actually couldnt.

Barnes is a stud, insane potential in my eyes. What he did in the playoffs last year,on the biggest stage trumps him being jerked around in the lineup this year but we have no way to get him.

[wakeup50]

pistons already traded a better player than barnes. his name is khris middleton. that man can shoot and wow he is only 22

[DBC10]

Mark Jackson's role for Barnes has been ISO, ISO, ISO. No wonder he's declined or hasn't shown any improvements. He's really a good jack of all trades guy that is athletic.

I wouldn't mind having him, I think he needs a change of scenery.

[theBigLip]

If we get a coach who can teach young players to get better (or a coach with good assistants that can do it), then sure.

I'd love to do a Josh Smith trade to GSW and end up with Barnes coming back. Obviously some filler needs to be added, but GSW might be a good fit for Smith. Hard for him to shoot 3s when everyone else on the team can do it so well, and he could just stick to his paint game.

[sc8581]

I wouldn't give any value for him, I think his potential is through the roof but it was in college as well and he was less than impressive there too.

[Phenomenonsense]

It is literally impossible for us to even trade Monroe for Barnes at this point. GSW can't add more than 8 million in salary next year without being capped out. Monroe would get a contract they couldn't possibly match. This GSW team is pretty screwed for the next three years. Not including any picks, they will be at roughly 59.5 million in salary between Bogut, Lee, Igy, Curry, Speights, Barnes, Ezeli, and Nedovic. In order to retain Green, or add anything to the team, they will have to go over the cap. Most likely if they want to keep Thompson they will be sneaking towards Salary cap territory. Then to keep Barnes they will likely hit the hardcap and be in luxury tax deep, or give up Lee. Just looking at it now, it seems like this team's window will run through next year or the year after.

[MotownMadness]

It is literally impossible for us to even trade Monroe for Barnes at this point. GSW can't add more than 8 million in salary next year without being capped out. Monroe would get a contract they couldn't possibly match. This GSW team is pretty screwed for the next three years. Not including any picks, they will be at roughly 59.5 million in salary between Bogut, Lee, Igy, Curry, Speights, Barnes, Ezeli, and Nedovic. In order to retain Green, or add anything to the team, they will have to go over the cap. Most likely if they want to keep Thompson they will be sneaking towards Salary cap territory. Then to keep Barnes they will likely hit the hardcap and be in luxury tax deep, or give up Lee. Just looking at it now, it seems like this team's window will run through next year or the year after.

Damn, I never looked into it but yeah they are going to be screwed cap wise.

[HotelVitale]

No, we actually couldnt.
Barnes is a stud, insane potential in my eyes. What he did in the playoffs last year,on the biggest stage trumps him being jerked around in the lineup this year but we have no way to get him.

He was okay in last year's playoffs, but it's sort of a media myth that he was great. After Lee went down he played almost 39 minutes per game, and all his stats were inflated accordingly. The stats still weren't that good--16/6, 44% fg--and he mostly just stood around and hit some mid-range shots that others created for him (and missed more than half of them), rebounded well and defended okay. He ended up with a PER below league average for the playoffs, and he did nothing aside from shoot and rebound (which has always been the big knock on him--can't create for himself or others, doesn't make an impact on D and can't take over on offense). This was the best stretch of his career too--he was worse last regular season, before taking a big dive this season.

All in all, I think the shine is off him, but I still don't think GSW has any reason to give him away. He's got great size and athleticism and a nice shot and they have no incentive to trade him unless they get a good, cost-effective return. Still has two years left of his rookie deal; after that you can start talking about getting him for cheap.

[HotelVitale]

It is literally impossible for us to even trade Monroe for Barnes at this point. GSW can't add more than 8 million in salary next year without being capped out. Monroe would get a contract they couldn't possibly match. This GSW team is pretty screwed for the next three years. Not including any picks, they will be at roughly 59.5 million in salary between Bogut, Lee, Igy, Curry, Speights, Barnes, Ezeli, and Nedovic. In order to retain Green, or add anything to the team, they will have to go over the cap. Most likely if they want to keep Thompson they will be sneaking towards Salary cap territory. Then to keep Barnes they will likely hit the hardcap and be in luxury tax deep, or give up Lee. Just looking at it now, it seems like this team's window will run through next year or the year after.

I'm not following. There is no 'hardcap' in the NBA, and exceeding the salary cap only effects your ability to sign FAs. If we had traded Monroe to them before the deadline, they would have RFA rights to Monroe, and if we traded now he he would be S&T. Those are both ways of getting around the cap. There's no penalty for going over the cap--in fact I'd guess most teams are over it by at least a couple million.

If you're talking about the luxury tax, they still have options for next year. They're committed to about $62m next year, so assuming a Monroe S&T starts at $12-13m, they could dump one of the rookie-deal guys they don't use and be at around $72m, which is roughly the tax line. They'd have to fill out the roster creatively, but it's doable.

Are you just saying that the salaries in the trade itself (Monroe for Barnes) wouldn't match? That's true but it's a different issue from their cap/tax situation. I'd guess they would want to trade away Lee before taking on Monroe anyway. (For the record, I do NOT support trading Monroe for Barnes!)

[Phenomenonsense]

It is literally impossible for us to even trade Monroe for Barnes at this point. GSW can't add more than 8 million in salary next year without being capped out. Monroe would get a contract they couldn't possibly match. This GSW team is pretty screwed for the next three years. Not including any picks, they will be at roughly 59.5 million in salary between Bogut, Lee, Igy, Curry, Speights, Barnes, Ezeli, and Nedovic. In order to retain Green, or add anything to the team, they will have to go over the cap. Most likely if they want to keep Thompson they will be sneaking towards Salary cap territory. Then to keep Barnes they will likely hit the hardcap and be in luxury tax deep, or give up Lee. Just looking at it now, it seems like this team's window will run through next year or the year after.

I'm not following. There is no 'hardcap' in the NBA, and exceeding the salary cap only effects your ability to sign FAs. If we had traded Monroe to them before the deadline, they would have RFA rights to Monroe, and if we traded now he he would be S&T. Those are both ways of getting around the cap. There's no penalty for going over the cap--in fact I'd guess most teams are over it by at least a couple million.

If you're talking about the luxury tax, they still have options for next year. They're committed to about $62m next year, so assuming a Monroe S&T starts at $12-13m, they could dump one of the rookie-deal guys they don't use and be at around $72m, which is roughly the tax line. They'd have to fill out the roster creatively, but it's doable.

Are you just saying that the salaries in the trade itself (Monroe for Barnes) wouldn't match? That's true but it's a different issue from their cap/tax situation. I'd guess they would want to trade away Lee before taking on Monroe anyway. (For the record, I do NOT support trading Monroe for Barnes!)

If you want to argue semantics that's fine and dandy, but there is essentially a hardcap. Going 4 million over the tax line makes it so that you have no flexibility and nothing to offer FAs. You can't get SnT players, you can't sign any deals longer than 3 years, you can't use MLE or Bi-annual exceptions, you can't take back as much salary in trades. There are probably other things I'm not remembering either, but basically you can't pay anyone anything and have little flexibility, not to mention the fact that three million dollar players cost you like 20 million in the new tax. In order to get Monroe, and keep Klay, they would have to be okay with paying several hundred million in taxes (probably. I'm exaggerating).

Secondly, they have 65 million and twelve players per hoopshype. Any "Sign and trade" wouldn't work because of "soft-hard cap." In order to take on Monroe they would have to give us Speights, Barnes, Klay, Ezeli, Nedo, and Kuzmic while not picking up Green's option. That is unless they wanted to give us Lee or Iggy.

I was saying that trading for Monroe pre-deadline would be useless for them given their cap situation. When i said "salary cap" I meant luxury tax. They basically would be choosing between Barnes + Klay, or getting Monroe and having to decide if they want to pay Klay seven billion in (including luxury tax) as well. It would be worse than the Nets situation because their tax situation would get worse because they'd be over the tax for years and it gets more punitive.

[Damon_3388]

No, we actually couldnt.

Barnes is a stud, insane potential in my eyes. What he did in the playoffs last year,on the biggest stage trumps him being jerked around in the lineup this year but we have no way to get him.

Can someone explain to me why his playoff performance last year keeps getting so much darn hype? He averaged 16ppg on .444 shooting playing 38 minutes per game on a fast paced offensive team. Sure, it's nice that he did that as a rookie, and nice that he made the most of the minutes and touches he was getting, but it's not really anything mindblowing at the same time, considering his per minute and efficiency numbers were pretty much the same during the regular season.

That being said, I'd really like to see what he could do when given a starting role, and more minutes and touches

[princeofpalace]

I would not trade Monroe or KCP for Barnes. I like Barnes since he can shoot, but he's very one dimensional and has limited upside. Barnes/Jones were so hyped up going into 2011 (although both came out in 12), it really makes you realize how hit or miss the draft is.

[HotelVitale]

It is literally impossible for us to even trade Monroe for Barnes at this point. GSW can't add more than 8 million in salary next year without being capped out. Monroe would get a contract they couldn't possibly match. This GSW team is pretty screwed for the next three years. Not including any picks, they will be at roughly 59.5 million in salary between Bogut, Lee, Igy, Curry, Speights, Barnes, Ezeli, and Nedovic. In order to retain Green, or add anything to the team, they will have to go over the cap. Most likely if they want to keep Thompson they will be sneaking towards Salary cap territory. Then to keep Barnes they will likely hit the hardcap and be in luxury tax deep, or give up Lee. Just looking at it now, it seems like this team's window will run through next year or the year after.

I'm not following. There is no 'hardcap' in the NBA, and exceeding the salary cap only effects your ability to sign FAs. If we had traded Monroe to them before the deadline, they would have RFA rights to Monroe, and if we traded now he he would be S&T. Those are both ways of getting around the cap. There's no penalty for going over the cap--in fact I'd guess most teams are over it by at least a couple million.

If you're talking about the luxury tax, they still have options for next year. They're committed to about $62m next year, so assuming a Monroe S&T starts at $12-13m, they could dump one of the rookie-deal guys they don't use and be at around $72m, which is roughly the tax line. They'd have to fill out the roster creatively, but it's doable.

Are you just saying that the salaries in the trade itself (Monroe for Barnes) wouldn't match? That's true but it's a different issue from their cap/tax situation. I'd guess they would want to trade away Lee before taking on Monroe anyway. (For the record, I do NOT support trading Monroe for Barnes!)

If you want to argue semantics that's fine and dandy, but there is essentially a hardcap. Going 4 million over the tax line makes it so that you have no flexibility and nothing to offer FAs. You can't get SnT players, you can't sign any deals longer than 3 years, you can't use MLE or Bi-annual exceptions, you can't take back as much salary in trades. There are probably other things I'm not remembering either, but basically you can't pay anyone anything and have little flexibility, not to mention the fact that three million dollar players cost you like 20 million in the new tax. In order to get Monroe, and keep Klay, they would have to be okay with paying several hundred million in taxes (probably. I'm exaggerating).

Secondly, they have 65 million and twelve players per hoopshype. Any "Sign and trade" wouldn't work because of "soft-hard cap." In order to take on Monroe they would have to give us Speights, Barnes, Klay, Ezeli, Nedo, and Kuzmic while not picking up Green's option. That is unless they wanted to give us Lee or Iggy.

I was saying that trading for Monroe pre-deadline would be useless for them given their cap situation. When i said "salary cap" I meant luxury tax. They basically would be choosing between Barnes + Klay, or getting Monroe and having to decide if they want to pay Klay seven billion in (including luxury tax) as well. It would be worse than the Nets situation because their tax situation would get worse because they'd be over the tax for years and it gets more punitive.

I didn't mean this mean-spiritedly, just didn't see why the Warriors couldn't S&T. They won't have cap room for a while, but they still have flexibility for adding guys via sign and trades. The new sign-and-trade rule is that the team that receives the player has to be less than $4m over the tax line (so somewhere between $76-77m). So the Warriors could pick up Green's option and sign Monroe for $11m next year they'd still be okay. They'd be paying the tax, which they probably don't want to do, but it would still work under NBA rules. They would also presumably trade someone back, which would decrease their salaries.

Also, 2015-6 is the first year they need to pay Klay a non-rookie salary, and by then they only have their big-money 4 and a couple of rookies on the payroll. Lee expires after that season, by which time they can pay Barnes if they wanted to. Adding Monroe would make this harder but they could still make it work. (Though to be clear, they'd have no reason to be paying two offense-first, defense-challenged PFs big time money.)

Also, this is semantics but the luxury tax isn't anything like a hardcap, it's just a financial penalty for going over a certain line (a hardcap is defined by there being no way to exceed it, like in the NFL). 4 teams are over the tax this year, I think there were 6 last year (?). And the 'repeater tax' is pretty bad but it only applies if you exceed the luxury tax for three seasons, so you can go over for a few seasons and just get the usual tax penalty.

[paQo the BAWSER]

I think he's going to be a star when he sign for a team as first or second reference, like Bledsoe or Harden. Crazy athleticism, can create his own shoot, is getting better his handle, and can defense and shoot 3s. I think he's most suitable player for this team. And he's 21, don't forget it.

[rock digger]

I think he's going to be a star when he sign for a team as first or second reference, like Bledsoe or Harden. Crazy athleticism, can create his own shoot, is getting better his handle, and can defense and shoot 3s. I think he's most suitable player for this team. And he's 21, don't forget it.

The biggest knock on Barnes is that he's horrible at creating his own shot.

I agree that Barnes is crazy overrated. Everyone knocks MKG for being a horrible offensive player, but his offensive stats are pretty similar to Barnes'. Of course MKG is a horrible jump shooter while Barnes is serviceable, but the fact that MKG can produce similar stats shows how mediocre Barnes is in the other aspects of his offensive game.

[paQo the BAWSER]

I think he's going to be a star when he sign for a team as first or second reference, like Bledsoe or Harden. Crazy athleticism, can create his own shoot, is getting better his handle, and can defense and shoot 3s. I think he's most suitable player for this team. And he's 21, don't forget it.

The biggest knock on Barnes is that he's horrible at creating his own shot.

I agree that Barnes is crazy overrated. Everyone knocks MKG for being a horrible offensive player, but his offensive stats are pretty similar to Barnes'. Of course MKG is a horrible jump shooter while Barnes is serviceable, but the fact that MKG can produce similar stats shows how mediocre Barnes is in the other aspects of his offensive game.

I don't think so, he's in a team he can't develop it too much, like KCP. I think they are good creating his own shot, but they don't get the ball to do it with consistency.

[Clarity]

I would not trade Monroe or KCP for Barnes. I like Barnes since he can shoot, but he's very one dimensional and has limited upside. Barnes/Jones were so hyped up going into 2011 (although both came out in 12), it really makes you realize how hit or miss the draft is.

I would never trade Monroe for a wing. You just dont do that, ever.

Barnes is definitely not 1 dimensional, thats insane. He can shoot, he can beat his defender 1 on 1, hes excellent in the post. His ceiling is insanely high.

Can someone explain to me why his playoff performance last year keeps getting so much darn hype? He averaged 16ppg on .444 shooting playing 38 minutes per game on a fast paced offensive team. Sure, it's nice that he did that as a rookie, and nice that he made the most of the minutes and touches he was getting, but it's not really anything mindblowing at the same time, considering his per minute and efficiency numbers were pretty much the same during the regular season.

That being said, I'd really like to see what he could do when given a starting role, and more minutes and touches

His series against SA, a team that was 1 long Ray Allen 3 away from winning a title was nothing short of jaw dropping. He did that as a rookie.

He was okay in last year's playoffs, but it's sort of a media myth that he was great.

You clearly missed the SA series. Try to go watch that on Youtube.