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Wizards - A good or bad Free Agent Destination?

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Re: Wizards - A good or bad Free Agent Destination? 

Post#41 » by Wes_Tiny_Abe_ » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:05 pm

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Please do not confuse a bunch of kickball playing, snowball fighting, white wanna-be urban try hards with black pro athletes.
Cities all over the country have bars, clubs, restaurants, cultural institutions, political functions, etc...
Every city looks the same now.

Pro black athletes are better off going to Los Angeles, New York City, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami etc...



Your frustration with the changes in this city are legitimate, Wes. I agree with it on a lot of levels, especially the dislocation of long time residents that has resulted from it. But you're letting it cloud your view of some of the benefits of those changes.

Yes, most cities have bars, clubs, restaurants, museums etc. But that doesn't mean that the number, quality or prestige of those places are equal to what they are in a major and high-profile city like DC. And please don't put Atlanta on the same level as LA, NYC, Miami and Chicago.

BTW, the gentrification that you hate so much in DC is also taking place in all of these other cities.


Cities across the country changed from the 60 till today. I grow up in the Potomac area and when I was growing up I remember being shocked to meet a white person who said they grow up in DC.

Mostly when we went into the city it was into Georgetown or down Wisconsin. That's where the clubs where mostly. Then for the more brave, we would venture down main street. But all the action is right there is NW. Then Adams Morgan got rolling but it really was never as fun.

Older people would tell me stories about how DC used to have a ton of white people. But the suburban sprawl happened and most the white families left the city and moved to NVA and Potomac, Chevy Chase, Bethesda. I'm sure the racial tension of the 60s had something to do with that. Well with this last housing boom from 2000 to 2007, the Metro build out and Version center in China Town, there was a lot of reinvestment in the city. Entire blocks got renovated. Same happened in Baltimore. Well now you have people returning to the city again. Things go in cycles.

In 1940 DC was 71.5% white and 28.2% black
in 1950 is was 64.6% white and 35.0% black
In 1960 is was 45.2% white and 53.9% black
in 1970 is was 27.7% white and 71.1% black

In 1980 is was 26.9% white and 70.3% black and 1.0% Asian and 2.8% spanish
In 1990 is was 29.6% white and 65.8% black and 1.8% Asian and 5.4% spanish
in 2000 is was 30.8% white and 60.0 black and 2.7% asian and 7.9% spanish
in 2010 is was 38.5% white and 50.7% black and 3.5% asian and 9.1% spanish

Its still not as white as it was in the 60s but it is trending that way. By 2020 that will probably be true. Something about divided equally between whites and blacks only with more asians and spanish this time.

Sounds like a cool city to me.

Hey, I remember when things hit rock bottom in DC and it was the murder captain of the country. That's not good for any body. It go so bad at one point you couldn't even go to Georgetown safely.

Money returning doesn't have to mean boring or cookie cutter. Look at LA.


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Re: Wizards - A good or bad Free Agent Destination? 

Post#42 » by DCZards » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:12 pm

Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:Donnie Simpson's niece is black and I am sure while she was in DC she experienced all of what black DC has to offer and she still left for Atlanta.
There were people begging her to stay in DC and she still left.


So Donnie Simpson's niece chose Atlanta over DC. So what? My two nieces are black and they chose to return to DC after graduating from college--and one went to Spelman College in Atlanta. So that's DC two and Atlanta one...if you're keeping count. :D
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Post#43 » by Wes_Tiny_Abe_ » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:23 pm

DCZards wrote:
Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:Donnie Simpson's niece is black and I am sure while she was in DC she experienced all of what black DC has to offer and she still left for Atlanta.
There were people begging her to stay in DC and she still left.


So Donnie Simpson's niece chose Atlanta over DC. So what? My two nieces are black and they chose to return to DC after graduating from college--and one went to Spelman College in Atlanta. So that's DC two and Atlanta one...if you're keeping count. :D


Well I prefer DC over Atlanta but I am not black.
Lots of black people really do love Atlanta.
Good for them.
They can buy a much bigger house down there for less money.
The weather is also nice there for most of the year too.
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Post#44 » by DCZards » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:48 pm

Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:Well I prefer DC over Atlanta but I am not black.
Lots of black people really do love Atlanta.
Good for them.
They can buy a much bigger house down there for less money.
The weather is also nice there for most of the year too.


There's a lot to like about Atlanta...not the least of which is the bang for the buck that you can get for a house, especially compared to DC.
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Post#45 » by Error Afflalo » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:38 am

Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:
DCZards wrote:
Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:
Please do not confuse a bunch of kickball playing, snowball fighting, white wanna-be urban try hards with black pro athletes.
Cities all over the country have bars, clubs, restaurants, cultural institutions, political functions, etc...
Every city looks the same now.

Pro black athletes are better off going to Los Angeles, New York City, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami etc...



Your frustration with the changes in this city are legitimate, Wes. I agree with it on a lot of levels, especially the dislocation of long time residents that has resulted from it. But you're letting it cloud your view of some of the benefits of those changes.

Yes, most cities have bars, clubs, restaurants, museums etc. But that doesn't mean that the number, quality or prestige of those places are equal to what they are in a major and high-profile city like DC. And please don't put Atlanta on the same level as LA, NYC, Miami and Chicago.

BTW, the gentrification that you hate so much in DC is also taking place in all of these other cities.


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Donnie Simpson's niece is black and I am sure while she was in DC she experienced all of what black DC has to offer and she still left for Atlanta.
There were people begging her to stay in DC and she still left.


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Post#46 » by nuposse04 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:42 am

<3 gentrification

nah but we should get more FA's I imagine if we actually make some noise in the playoffs...I just don't think we play consistently well enough to do that...especially if we run into TOR.

Bulls and Nets are not to be feared though. Both teams will be run into the ground by the time playoffs roll around....of course with Nene going down...well...things should get interesting.
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Post#47 » by Wes_Tiny_Abe_ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:53 am

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I love old pictures of DC.
I love how old pictures expose how less interesting DC has become in recent years.
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Re: Wizards - A good or bad Free Agent Destination? 

Post#48 » by TheBlackCzar » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:45 am

barelyawake wrote:
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barelyawake wrote:Wes, DC isn't cookie cutter for the young millionaire. Check the lists of the best clubs in the country. Check the top chefs that are flocking to DC. Hell, take a look at a pic of Tyson's Corner in the 70s, and then five years ago, and then now. We are becoming a metropolis. There is no Minibar in Cleveland. There is no art district in Detriot. There is no Love, or 9:30, or Jet, or private clubs, or secret restaurants, or speakeasys, or chef tables, or presidential suites worth a damn, or multitude of upscale country clubs, or exclusive spas or cigar bars, or anything in Oklahoma City. Not every city is the same.

And there's a lot I miss of the old days too to be honest. But, this city ain't that one by a long shot.


Did you just mention Love?

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You are clearly exaggerating what DC has to offer in relation to other cities.

Do you seriously believe that no other city has art districts, private clubs, chefs, upscale

Barely Houston is a better spot than DC and I'm a native Washingtonian....... The women are better and make just add much if not more on average. ?...... The young black scene here is crazy....... and DC was feeling the recession as many people from home were crying the Blues during the recession yet Houston grew exponentially gaining over 1000 people per day as we speak..... I know many economic levels apt DC having lived there for 26yrs up the street from the stadium..... DC has a better leapt than Houston but Houston is so big 2 days a year you aren't seeing anything that's here. ?...
restaurants, upscale country clubs, exclusive spas or cigar bars?


Not to the extent DC does. Absolutely not. Again, let me explain to you my job is to take rich people out and entertain them in all these cities we have mentioned. So, I think I have a rather firm grasp of the nightlife of every city not only mentioned here but in the entire country.

PS If you don't like Love (which btw was ranked in the top 40 clubs in the country last year), then up higher on the list are Fur, Muse, Lima, etc... No, Detriot doesn't have those.
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Post#49 » by fishercob » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:57 pm

Do we have moderators anymore on this forum?

Or is this POS going to be allowed to hijack every single f*cking thread whenever he feels like it?
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Post#50 » by verbal8 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:02 pm

I agree that money is generally the prime motivator. Record/prospects is second and the city is 3rd factor if that high. I think Washington is in the 2nd tier of cities, where the location should be a positive, but it isn't a huge plus the way it is for New York/LA. One thing that may help the team/city in the long run is the increasing numbers/success of foreign players in the NBA.

I think the attraction of the Nations Capital is probably stronger for foreign players than it is for US born players. Foreign players probably also have LA/New York high on their lists, but after that I think the gap between DC and say Milwaukee is going to be bigger.
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Post#51 » by verbal8 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:02 pm

fishercob wrote:Do we have moderators anymore on this forum?

Or is this POS going to be allowed to hijack every single f*cking thread whenever he feels like it?


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Post#52 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:12 pm

There's nothing about DC as a city that makes it a less desirable destination. The Wizards haven't had cap space and they've sucked.

This coming offseason, they probably won't have much cap space because they're probably going to re-sign Gortat.
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Post#53 » by Higga » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:39 pm

Nivek wrote:There's nothing about DC as a city that makes it a less desirable destination. The Wizards haven't had cap space and they've sucked.



Exactly.

D.C. is a fine city. That isn't the issue. We've gotta win, and we have to show stability in our organization. We have been anything but for most of our history. Now we're starting to accumulate some nice young talent, but do players want to play for an organization led by the Three Stooges(Ted, Ernie, Wittless)?
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Post#54 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:45 pm

Yeah, Higga. The other issue is one I wrote about back at the beginning of the season -- namely that to sign a "name brand" free agent, they'll have to let Gortat and Ariza (and Booker) depart. Which means they're replacing, not adding to the remaining guys. And, Gortat and Ariza will be major reasons why they make the playoffs (assuming they do).

I would think that a smart free agent who wants to win would (assuming the money is about the same) would rather sign where he can be an ADDITION, not a replacement.

The best time for the Wizards to strike in free agency was when they amnestied Blatche. Instead, they traded their cap room to New Orleans for Okafor and Ariza -- in effect trading cap space and a future 1st for Gortat. Who they're almost certainly going to re-sign, which means they will have effectively burned two sets of near max cap space and a future 1st to acquire Gortat.

With how badly they've managed resources, their best option to remain a contender to make the playoffs will probably be to re-sign Gortat (and Ariza if they can), and then use the MLE to try and add some production.
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Post#55 » by dobrojim » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:17 pm

Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:I love old pictures of DC.
I love how old pictures expose how less interesting DC has become in recent years.


we know. If it were not for old pictures generating nostalgia for you....
oh never mind.
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Post#56 » by Wes_Tiny_Abe_ » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:49 pm

fishercob wrote:Do we have moderators anymore on this forum?

Or is this POS going to be allowed to hijack every single f*cking thread whenever he feels like it?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f ... n-shootout

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri ... story.html

Did you hear about Samuel Sheinbein getting shot by guards yesterday over in Israel?
He only had a few years left on his sentence.
Doesn't make sense why he would do something like that if he was going to be set free soon.
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Post#57 » by mohammed10 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:49 pm

Wes_Tiny_Abe_ wrote:
fishercob wrote:Do we have moderators anymore on this forum?

Or is this POS going to be allowed to hijack every single f*cking thread whenever he feels like it?


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/f ... n-shootout

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cri ... story.html

Did you hear about Samuel Sheinbein getting shot by guards yesterday over in Israel?
He only had a few years left on his sentence.
Doesn't make sense why he would do something like that if he was going to be set free soon.


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Post#58 » by Knighthonor » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:35 am

I want to put the idea here first.

But what if EG is preparing for Lebron to come to DC?

Doesnt Lebron like Wall?

Clev doent seem like the right location anymore. Well what about Wall and the Wizard's instead?

Would make sense to let TA walk if they are expecting somebody big to fill in his place.
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Post#59 » by montestewart » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:18 am

Knighthonor wrote:I want to put the idea here first.

But what if EG is preparing for Lebron to come to DC?

Doesnt Lebron like Wall?

Clev doent seem like the right location anymore. Well what about Wall and the Wizard's instead?

Would make sense to let TA walk if they are expecting somebody big to fill in his place.

Yeah. Wall, LeBJ, Durant, all taking a pay cut, with all these young prospects and savvy veterans willing to play for the minimum, just to be a part of the action. After Obama retires, he can join the organization, sit courtside at every game. And lemonade. Everyone gets lemonade. That will be so great.
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Post#60 » by verbal8 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:29 pm

Knighthonor wrote:I want to put the idea here first.

But what if EG is preparing for Lebron to come to DC?

Doesnt Lebron like Wall?

Clev doent seem like the right location anymore. Well what about Wall and the Wizard's instead?

Would make sense to let TA walk if they are expecting somebody big to fill in his place.


Wade isn't leaving Miami. I think both the sentimental and financial case for staying is pretty strong.

Bosh really is the only question mark. Even if he leaves, I see it being a S&T that yields at least one useful player - let's say Dalembert for the sake of discussion. A S&T also creates a huge TPE which can be used in addition to the mini-MLE to acquire role players.

Also they have their draft picks which can either be used or traded for vet players. Especially since they would have a TPE to absorb the player. If the Lakers go full-rebuild Gasol could be available in a S&T.

A poor play-offs and Bosh leaving would be a blow to the Heat, but I think they have enough assets to be able to recover and remain a contender. Why would LeBron leave that? Especially if the rumored big name destinations - New York, Lakers, Cavs are in terrible shape.

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