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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#241 » by Rafael122 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:44 pm

Welp...

There is a fear among some members of the Washington Wizards that Nene is done for the season with a torn ligament in his left knee, although the team won’t know for certain until the Brazilian big man meets with team doctors and has an MRI exam on Monday. According to a person with knowledge of the situation, “It doesn’t look good.”
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#242 » by dobrojim » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:51 pm

dlts20 wrote:Wall was having his best game in a long time and just because we have Miller now, means they will start stripping his minutes down? He always cools our hot hand. Wall was in a zone in every way and was in total control of the game. Hope he didnt lose that


sometimes we just don't know when to be happy

if Wall was playing 40 mpg, I'm pretty sure we'd be hearing all about
how that was a bad idea.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#243 » by dobrojim » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:58 pm

80sballboy wrote:
closg00 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Well there goes the game.

No way Seraphin can manage to stay out of foul trouble.


It's a good-thing the Wizards were one of the 6 six teams that signed Centers after the trade deadline.


Yet there is nobody close to resembling Nene. He's just not replaceable.


he is the guy some of us love to hate, myself included. Correction - in my case,
it's a simple love-hate relationship based purely on how he's playing. It'd be nice
if he could play against TOR. But that hasn't gotten us a W against them either.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#244 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:58 pm

jivelikenice wrote:-Beal jumping from 30 mpg to 35.7 per game over the past 10 games is not a good thing and that averages jumpts to nearly 37 mpg over the last 5. That is alarming considering Randy's irresponsibility with overplaying Beal in the past.

"Nearly 37 minutes" is 36 minutes a game. Isn't that pretty much the norm for a young starter who is no longer on a minutes restriction?
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#245 » by queridiculo » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:58 pm

After decade long conditioning torn ACL is exactly what I expected.

The sad part is, assuming we miss the playoffs as a result, yet another excuse for our eternal GM.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#246 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:02 pm

queridiculo wrote:After decade long conditioning torn ACL is exactly what I expected.

The sad part is, assuming we miss the playoffs as a result, yet another excuse for our eternal GM.


Is it? Wasn't the prospect that Nene might be injury prone one of the legit critques of this trade? Gilbert going down with a freak injury forever is not EG's fault. Nene going down is.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#247 » by dobrojim » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:04 pm

SizzlinSimms wrote:Going to be a good win for the WizKids! Only 10 FTAs so far, however only 5 turnovers and a great job spreading the ball around tonight.



Story of the game (ignoring for the moment Nene's injury until we know the severity)

When we win, in addition to playing solid D, we often have really low TOs and great A:TO.
5 TOs is an insanely low number.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#248 » by dobrojim » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:08 pm

JWizmentality wrote:Yay! We're average again!


which in the east, is above average
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#249 » by jivelikenice » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:11 pm

nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:-Beal jumping from 30 mpg to 35.7 per game over the past 10 games is not a good thing and that averages jumpts to nearly 37 mpg over the last 5. That is alarming considering Randy's irresponsibility with overplaying Beal in the past.

"Nearly 37 minutes" is 36 minutes a game. Isn't that pretty much the norm for a young starter who is no longer on a minutes restriction?


36.6 so I round up :wink:

And while that may be the norm, it shouldn't be the norm for a 20 year old coming off mulitple stress injuries this early in his career. I would have actually liked to see them keep the minutes cap at somewhere around 32 mpg as a general rule (which they could occasionally break if a game went to OT or something). Jumping his minutes by half a quarter's worth of play is irresponsible.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#250 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:14 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
nate33 wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:-Beal jumping from 30 mpg to 35.7 per game over the past 10 games is not a good thing and that averages jumpts to nearly 37 mpg over the last 5. That is alarming considering Randy's irresponsibility with overplaying Beal in the past.

"Nearly 37 minutes" is 36 minutes a game. Isn't that pretty much the norm for a young starter who is no longer on a minutes restriction?


36.6 so I round up :wink:

And while that may be the norm, it shouldn't be the norm for a 20 year old coming off mulitple stress injuries this early in his career. I would have actually liked to see them keep the minutes cap at somewhere around 32 mpg as a general rule (which they could occasionally break if a game went to OT or something). Jumping his minutes by half a quarter's worth of play is irresponsible.

It's only irresponsible if you think that Beal is permanently frail due to those stress injuries. So far, under Ted, the medical staff has been very conservative with their diagnoses. My guess is that they kept Beal's minutes restriction for far longer than necessary and he now has a totally clean bill of health. If that's the case, then 36 minutes a game is fine.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#251 » by DCZards » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:22 pm

dobrojim wrote:
Partial agreement. I just hate contested long 2s. But clean looks I don't feel quite
as badly about, except all too often it seems like he steps 1 dribble inside the line
when he could have just as easily put up the 3. Where either is an option, shoot the 3!


Yeah, it's those long 2s from just inside the arc that Beal often takes that frustate me. Might as well take a 3. But I'm fine with those pull-up jumpers from 15-18 feet, especially since he's often deadly from that range and it's a shot that he needs to have in his toolbox.

I am torn, however, on the minutes stuff. He's young and apparently the minute restriction has been lifted but I kinda liked it when Beal was restricted to 30 or so minutes. It's looking more and more like he'll be averaging 38 plus minutes again soon and I don't know if that's a good thing.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#252 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:16 pm

DCZards wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
Partial agreement. I just hate contested long 2s. But clean looks I don't feel quite
as badly about, except all too often it seems like he steps 1 dribble inside the line
when he could have just as easily put up the 3. Where either is an option, shoot the 3!


Yeah, it's those long 2s from just inside the arc that Beal often takes that frustate me. Might as well take a 3. But I'm fine with those pull-up jumpers from 15-18 feet, especially since he's often deadly from that range and it's a shot that he needs to have in his toolbox.

I am torn, however, on the minutes stuff. He's young and apparently the minute restriction has been lifted but I kinda liked it when Beal was restricted to 30 or so minutes. It's looking more and more like he'll be averaging 38 plus minutes again soon and I don't know if that's a good thing.


From 10-16 feet this season, Beal is shooting 36% this season.

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DIST            eFG%    PPS     % FGA
At Rim          .659    1.32    12%
3 to <10 ft     .321    0.64    7%
10 to <16 ft    .361    0.72    10%
16 ft to <3-pt  .368    0.74    41%
3-pt            .616    1.23    29%


Like most players, Beal's highest yield shots are at-rim and from 3pt range, but they comprise just 41.4% of his FGA. 58.6% of his FGA are from his lowest yield spots -- 41.4% are long 2s. This is poor shot selection, and it's hurting his efficiency and the team's offense.

And, unless Beal is extremely unusual, he's not drawing fouls on those 2pt jumpers either. The majority of shooting fouls are drawn with 5 feet of the basket (I think the number is around 58%).
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Post#253 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:36 pm

Think about this on Beal's shot selection: his efg on 3pt shots (100% of which are jumpers) is .616 this season. In other words, every time he pulls the trigger from 3pt range, it's the equivalent of shooting 61.6% from 2pt range. Yet his efg on ALL jumpers this season is .449. League average efg: .497.

Here's the same info another way:

- combined at-rim and 3pt shooting: 150-310
- 3 feet to the 3pt line: 158-438

In other words, it's taken him 128 additional attempts from 3 feet to the 3pt line for 8 additional made FGA. But, those 8 additional made FGs don't count for a much. His at-rim and 3pt shooting have produced 390 points. His shooting from 3 feet to the 3pt line has produced 316 points.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#254 » by Dat2U » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:49 pm

Nivek wrote:Think about this on Beal's shot selection: his efg on 3pt shots (100% of which are jumpers) is .616 this season. In other words, every time he pulls the trigger from 3pt range, it's the equivalent of shooting 61.6% from 2pt range. Yet his efg on ALL jumpers this season is .449. League average efg: .497.

Here's the same info another way:

- combined at-rim and 3pt shooting: 150-310
- 3 feet to the 3pt line: 158-438

In other words, it's taken him 128 additional attempts from 3 feet to the 3pt line for 8 additional made FGA. But, those 8 additional made FGs don't count for a much. His at-rim and 3pt shooting have produced 390 points. His shooting from 3 feet to the 3pt line has produced 316 points.


Imagine how good Beal & Wall might look if they were coached to AVOID taking those shots (instead of being ENCOURAGED) unless they absolutely have to (i.e. play is breaking down, shot clocking is running out).
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Post#255 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:41 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:Think about this on Beal's shot selection: his efg on 3pt shots (100% of which are jumpers) is .616 this season. In other words, every time he pulls the trigger from 3pt range, it's the equivalent of shooting 61.6% from 2pt range. Yet his efg on ALL jumpers this season is .449. League average efg: .497.

Here's the same info another way:

- combined at-rim and 3pt shooting: 150-310
- 3 feet to the 3pt line: 158-438

In other words, it's taken him 128 additional attempts from 3 feet to the 3pt line for 8 additional made FGA. But, those 8 additional made FGs don't count for a much. His at-rim and 3pt shooting have produced 390 points. His shooting from 3 feet to the 3pt line has produced 316 points.


Imagine how good Beal & Wall might look if they were coached to AVOID taking those shots (instead of being ENCOURAGED) unless they absolutely have to (i.e. play is breaking down, shot clocking is running out).


Yeah. When I look at numbers like that, I'm just baffled how ANYONE in the Wizards organization -- front office, scouting, coaching, "advanced stats", video coordinator -- can justify their employment. The word that comes to mind to describe this: malpractice.
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Re: GT #56 Wizards at Cavaliers 6 PM 2/23/2014 

Post#256 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:21 am

Nivek wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Nivek wrote:Think about this on Beal's shot selection: his efg on 3pt shots (100% of which are jumpers) is .616 this season. In other words, every time he pulls the trigger from 3pt range, it's the equivalent of shooting 61.6% from 2pt range. Yet his efg on ALL jumpers this season is .449. League average efg: .497.

Here's the same info another way:

- combined at-rim and 3pt shooting: 150-310
- 3 feet to the 3pt line: 158-438

In other words, it's taken him 128 additional attempts from 3 feet to the 3pt line for 8 additional made FGA. But, those 8 additional made FGs don't count for a much. His at-rim and 3pt shooting have produced 390 points. His shooting from 3 feet to the 3pt line has produced 316 points.


Imagine how good Beal & Wall might look if they were coached to AVOID taking those shots (instead of being ENCOURAGED) unless they absolutely have to (i.e. play is breaking down, shot clocking is running out).


Yeah. When I look at numbers like that, I'm just baffled how ANYONE in the Wizards organization -- front office, scouting, coaching, "advanced stats", video coordinator -- can justify their employment. The word that comes to mind to describe this: malpractice.


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