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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#81 » by nate33 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:08 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I think MKG ends up being a rich man's LMA.

:o

I don't see it at all. LMA is a lights out midrange shooter. MKG can't shoot. LMA is a 6-11 PF. MKG is a SF. At the very least, it's a real stretch to call him a "rich man's" LMA. LMA is already a top 15ish player. An improved version of LMA would be a top 5 player in this league. Are you really projecting MKG to be that good?

I think MKG's ultimate upside is like a smarter version of Josh Smith or a prime Gerald Wallace. I don't think he'll quite get there though.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#82 » by nuposse04 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:09 pm

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nuposse04 wrote:I think MKG ends up being a rich man's LMA.

:o

I don't see it at all. LMA is a lights out midrange shooter. MKG can't shoot. LMA is a 6-11 PF. MKG is a SF. At the very least, it's a real stretch to call him a "rich man's" LMA. LMA is already a top 15ish player. An improved version of LMA would be a top 5 player in this league. Are you really projecting MKG to be that good?

I think MKG's ultimate upside is like a smarter version of Josh Smith or a prime Gerald Wallace. I don't think he'll quite get there though.


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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#83 » by rockymac52 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:09 pm

Wizards expected to sign Drew Gooden to a 10 day contract. Welcome back, I guess??
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#84 » by Ruzious » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:11 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:There's 7 weeks left in the regular season. Nene expected out 4-6 weeks. Between his injury recovery history and the Wizards' injury recovery history, I think it's fair to say we should be looking at the back end of that timetable. That would mean he'd barely be healthy enough to return just in time for the playoffs, but we typically like to ease Nene back into the rotation. Not sure if the playoffs is the right time to do that, but we might not have a choice. Fingers crossed, hope for a speedy and full recovery, as well as the rest of our team's ability to survive in the meantime.

I dunno. Lately, our medical staff has been overly cautious. It may be that they really only expect a 4-week recovery time but are assuming 6 weeks just to be on the safe side.

This is probably the best of all possible situations. We give Booker and Seraphin one final opportunity to prove that they're worth a second contract and we give Nene time to rest his feet before the playoffs. And if we slip out of playoff contention, it'll result in EG being fired. This isn't a case of "injury problems" derailing the season. This is just Nene being Nene. He has averaged 56 games a year for his career. Why should this year be any different?

Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, and I'll be looking forward to Seraphin proving himself again. See if he can keep that gaudy FT percentage up - and get to the line more.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#85 » by nuposse04 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:15 pm

rockymac52 wrote:Wizards expected to sign Drew Gooden to a 10 day contract. Welcome back, I guess??


ah the politics of NBA agents....EG, you sir, are a grade A bitch for that being the best you can do. Hopefully Gooden fails his physical or is found to be a heroin addict or something of the like.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#86 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:20 pm

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rockymac52 wrote:There's 7 weeks left in the regular season. Nene expected out 4-6 weeks. Between his injury recovery history and the Wizards' injury recovery history, I think it's fair to say we should be looking at the back end of that timetable. That would mean he'd barely be healthy enough to return just in time for the playoffs, but we typically like to ease Nene back into the rotation. Not sure if the playoffs is the right time to do that, but we might not have a choice. Fingers crossed, hope for a speedy and full recovery, as well as the rest of our team's ability to survive in the meantime.

I dunno. Lately, our medical staff has been overly cautious. It may be that they really only expect a 4-week recovery time but are assuming 6 weeks just to be on the safe side.

This is probably the best of all possible situations. We give Booker and Seraphin one final opportunity to prove that they're worth a second contract and we give Nene time to rest his feet before the playoffs. And if we slip out of playoff contention, it'll result in EG being fired. This isn't a case of "injury problems" derailing the season. This is just Nene being Nene. He has averaged 56 games a year for his career. Why should this year be any different?


I might be the only person who feels this way. I think it would have been better to trade Booker and for Seraphin and Vesely to have opportunity to get minutes next to Gortat. This is not the best case.

Booker is older by three years and small for PF. He cannot play C.

I think the Wizards severely mishandled Vesely, and now would have been a good time to play Vesely with Gortat.

It could be that Seraphin blows up now, but I expect Randy will lose remaining games playing Harrington and Booker at PF. He won't start Seraphin.

If anything, Wittman will try Singleton at PF.

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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#87 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:26 pm

Using the off court numbers from Nenê's on/off stats and applying them to the rest of the season (assuming Nenê misses the remainder of the regular season), I estimate the Wizards as being favored to win 9 of their remaining 26 games. If things went exactly as "projected" (and I use that term very loosely in this case), folks would first marvel out how little the Wizards were missing Nenê because they'd win 6 of their 10 games without him.

And then...an 8-game losing skid starting with Sacramento and that West coast road trip, and ending when they get Boston at home. They'd finish up that last stretch of games 3-5 and end the season 37-45. That would still likely be enough to get them in the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#88 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I think MKG ends up being a rich man's LMA.

:o

I don't see it at all. LMA is a lights out midrange shooter. MKG can't shoot. LMA is a 6-11 PF. MKG is a SF. At the very least, it's a real stretch to call him a "rich man's" LMA. LMA is already a top 15ish player. An improved version of LMA would be a top 5 player in this league. Are you really projecting MKG to be that good?

I think MKG's ultimate upside is like a smarter version of Josh Smith or a prime Gerald Wallace. I don't think he'll quite get there though.


We forget to factor in age and learning curve. MKG would be an NCAA junior. Last night, twice-traded Thomas Robinson replaced injured LMA and had 14 points, 18 rebounds. He's a guy many wrote off.

Gerald Wallace seems like a good comparison. It's early to judge MKG.

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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#89 » by gambitx777 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:27 pm

Yeah, you know why bring in a young healthy athletic big, from the D league. Let's just lump start some more broken down over the hill players and claim the need for vet leadership!. total crap!
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#90 » by deneem4 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:30 pm

He waited til after the deadline to get injured lmaoooooooooo nene is a scrub...shouldve been traded him
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#91 » by AFM » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:31 pm

4-6 Weeks. We'll be okay. As long as he's healthy for the playoffs.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#92 » by gambitx777 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:41 pm

Could we get lucky and he retire at the end of the season? I mean I am blanking on how that would effect our cap, I'm just blanking on the rules right now. ?
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#93 » by Nivek » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:49 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Could we get lucky and he retire at the end of the season? I mean I am blanking on how that would effect our cap, I'm just blanking on the rules right now. ?


It probably wouldn't be considered a career-ending injury so, the Wizards would need Nenê to file for retirement and give up the remaining money on his contract. He'd have to sit out a year, and then he'd be free to sign wherever he wanted. In the meantime, the Wizards would get back that salary cap space.

IF the injury was deemed career ending, Nenê could get his money and it wouldn't count against the cap. But, the Wizards would have to waive him, and then apply for a "salary exclusion" following a one-year waiting period from the Nenê's last game. And, the career-ending decision would be made by a doctor chosen by the league and the players association. So...not happening.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#94 » by Illmatic21 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:51 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Yeah, you know why bring in a young healthy athletic big, from the D league. Let's just lump start some more broken down over the hill players and claim the need for vet leadership!. total crap!

Like who? It's rare to find a big man worth a damn in the D-league. A 6-footer with skills may go unnoticed. A 7-footer with skills would be spotted from a mile away and snatched up immediately. Fortunately we'll be able to pick up a nice young prospect in the draft this year.. oh wait
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Post#95 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:33 pm

JonathanJoseph wrote:The other point that people are glossing over, our trusty medical staff misdiagnosed again. I realize you can't tell for sure until there's an MRI and that in this case it's an understandable misdiagnosis, but it's hard to overlook given the number of misdiagnoses over the years.


????

Really.

Talk about looking for an axe to grind.

They called it a knee sprain.

It was a knee sprain.

They got an MRI the next day. Now they can tell you specifically what kind of knee sprain. Looks like a level two MCL. But you know it was an MCL last night.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#96 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:37 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
rockymac52 wrote:There's 7 weeks left in the regular season. Nene expected out 4-6 weeks. Between his injury recovery history and the Wizards' injury recovery history, I think it's fair to say we should be looking at the back end of that timetable. That would mean he'd barely be healthy enough to return just in time for the playoffs, but we typically like to ease Nene back into the rotation. Not sure if the playoffs is the right time to do that, but we might not have a choice. Fingers crossed, hope for a speedy and full recovery, as well as the rest of our team's ability to survive in the meantime.

I dunno. Lately, our medical staff has been overly cautious. It may be that they really only expect a 4-week recovery time but are assuming 6 weeks just to be on the safe side.

This is probably the best of all possible situations. We give Booker and Seraphin one final opportunity to prove that they're worth a second contract and we give Nene time to rest his feet before the playoffs. And if we slip out of playoff contention, it'll result in EG being fired. This isn't a case of "injury problems" derailing the season. This is just Nene being Nene. He has averaged 56 games a year for his career. Why should this year be any different?


I might be the only person who feels this way. I think it would have been better to trade Booker and for Seraphin and Vesely to have opportunity to get minutes next to Gortat. This is not the best case.

Booker is older by three years and small for PF. He cannot play C.

I think the Wizards severely mishandled Vesely, and now would have been a good time to play Vesely with Gortat.

It could be that Seraphin blows up now, but I expect Randy will lose remaining games playing Harrington and Booker at PF. He won't start Seraphin.

If anything, Wittman will try Singleton at PF.

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No, you are not the only one that was thinking that. It should have been one of Singleton or Booker to go, not Ves. But I'm happy for Ves that he will get a chance to play now. Just don't think it was smart for the organization. Specially if EG and Randy are gone next year.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#97 » by hands11 » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:48 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I think MKG ends up being a rich man's LMA.

:o

I don't see it at all. LMA is a lights out midrange shooter. MKG can't shoot. LMA is a 6-11 PF. MKG is a SF. At the very least, it's a real stretch to call him a "rich man's" LMA. LMA is already a top 15ish player. An improved version of LMA would be a top 5 player in this league. Are you really projecting MKG to be that good?

I think MKG's ultimate upside is like a smarter version of Josh Smith or a prime Gerald Wallace. I don't think he'll quite get there though.


We forget to factor in age and learning curve. MKG would be an NCAA junior. Last night, twice-traded Thomas Robinson replaced injured LMA and had 14 points, 18 rebounds. He's a guy many wrote off.

Gerald Wallace seems like a good comparison. It's early to judge MKG.

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There was a ton of MKG love on the board that draft year. Me, I wasn't a part of it. Not for the Wizards. But I do agree with you. Give him another two years and he should be a solid player. But this is why I don't like raw project drafted so high. They just cost to much for what they produce. But if you have to cap room to do it, it can work out.

If they put a more mature team together, he should look better next year. He will only be 21. MKG was a long term investment.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#98 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:08 am

Illmatic21 wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Yeah, you know why bring in a young healthy athletic big, from the D league. Let's just lump start some more broken down over the hill players and claim the need for vet leadership!. total crap!

Like who? It's rare to find a big man worth a damn in the D-league. A 6-footer with skills may go unnoticed. A 7-footer with skills would be spotted from a mile away and snatched up immediately. Fortunately we'll be able to pick up a nice young prospect in the draft this year.. oh wait


That's what the 10-day contract is for, to see if they are worth a damn. Most of these guys would be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart anyway.

In any case, 4 Eastern teams did just sign D-League big men to 10-day contracts.

Dexter Pittman - Hawks
Dewayne Dedmon - Magic
Jarvis Varnado - Bulls
Arinze Onuaku - Cavs
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Post#99 » by rockymac52 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:11 am

But that's not why WE'RE signing a big man to a 10 day contract. WE'RE signing Gooden because WE have a big hole to fill during Nene's absence. We're not signing a guy to see if he has any potential. We're not signing a guy because we think he'll be a role player for the next 2-3 years. We're signing a guy because we think he's the most prepared and skilled to step in and give us 10-20 MPG for the next 6 weeks. Potential means nothing in this situation.
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Re: WP: Nene feared to be done for season 

Post#100 » by verbal8 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:23 am

Nivek wrote:And then...an 8-game losing skid starting with Sacramento and that West coast road trip, and ending when they get Boston at home. They'd finish up that last stretch of games 3-5 and end the season 37-45. That would still likely be enough to get them in the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed.


That is a great scenario.... for Phoenix.

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