Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[gambitx777]

We got a second rounder from Philly?

Where did you see that? It might be one of those "imaginary" 2nd rounders that are included just because a team needs to give up something in a trade.

It probably has a top 50 protection or something stupid like that.

[payitforward]

We got a second rounder from Philly?

Where did you see that? It might be one of those "imaginary" 2nd rounders that are included just because a team needs to give up something in a trade.

It's a 3d round pick -- 2 of them in fact. Every year until the end of time.

And Ernie -- he is such a nice guy! -- is letting us make those picks right here in this forum.

[jivelikenice]

For the sake of argument, If one assumes Ariza wants to play elsewhere next season, does that mean we lose him and get nothing in return or is there a good chance we can do a sign and trade?

Sure, it's a real possibility IMO. Most seem to think he'll command more than the MLE, so all it takes to get it started is a team that can only offer the MLE to really want Ariza. Assuming it's a team that he wants to go to, they'll have to work something out.

I don't know what team will use raw cap space on him (that he'll want to go to) and the MLE won't be enough. LAC is the logical destination out west but would we really want Dudley to facilitate a deal? He expires in time for KD but I'm lukewarm on him...Maybe if they throw in Bullock but I'm still not sure.

If we're re-signing Gortat and accept that we're navigating above the cap and below the tax, why not offer him an above market deal on a short term basis? If his market value is 3/21 or 3/24, why not offer 2/20 and see if he takes it? We're overpaying but we're over the cap anyways....

One wrinkle though; the pursuit of Deng. That was possibly the 2nd team we've pursued him in the last year. Its doubtful that Ariza agrees to a S&T with Cleveland, so what would it take to keep Gortat and bring in Deng?

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... eace-Udrih

Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Wow. So both are going to be free shortly no nothing. Amazing.

[nuposse04]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232102/Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Wow. So both are going to be free shortly no nothing. Amazing.

Singleton should be cut immediately and Udrih signed as insurance (if he were willing to take that role). Then sign the best shot blocker/rebounder you can in the d-league.

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232102/Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Wow. So both are going to be free shortly no nothing. Amazing.

Singleton should be cut immediately and Udrih signed as insurance (if he were willing to take that role). Then sign the best shot blocker/rebounder you can in the d-league.

I think Miller is enough for the PG part and he adds a post scoring game we will see more off. Plus he is durable so not sure we need more insurance there.

I think what they need to add is some speed at the guard. Someone with some handles. If that is not Glen Rice and he doesn't have a future on the team then move on. Now that they have two less question marks to integrate into the team (Maynor/Ves) lets see where the remaining pieces fit or don't fit. This team had to many question marks all at once. Its tough to build that way.

One nice things about not being seen as a non playoff bottom tier team or even a stage 1 rebuild team is that its a lot easier to bring in legit mid level talent to try out at fair or cheap contracts. That's a powerful asset to have.

So they have about 10 more games to figure out how to tweak this thing. If Glen, Singleton and Otto aren't going to be a part of it this year, find some players that can. They have an open roster spot and can create more by cutting Glen and Singleton if needed.

[Sluggerface]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232102/Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Knicks-In-Buyout-Talks-With-World-Peace-Udrih

Wow. So both are going to be free shortly no nothing. Amazing.

Singleton should be cut immediately and Udrih signed as insurance (if he were willing to take that role). Then sign the best shot blocker/rebounder you can in the d-league.

I think Miller is enough for the PG part and he adds a post scoring game we will see more off. Plus he is durable so not sure we need more insurance there.

I think what they need to add is some speed at the guard. Someone with some handles. If that is not Glen Rice and he doesn't have a future on the team then move on. Now that they have two less question marks to integrate into the team (Maynor/Ves) lets see where the remaining pieces fit or don't fit. This team had to many question marks all at once. Its tough to build that way.

One nice things about not being seen as a non playoff bottom tier team or even a stage 1 rebuild team is that its a lot easier to bring in legit mid level talent to try out at fair or cheap contracts. That's a powerful asset to have.

So they have about 10 more games to figure out how to tweak this thing. If Glen, Singleton and Otto aren't going to be a part of it this year, find some players that can. They have an open roster spot and can create more by cutting Glen and Singleton if needed.

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

[thricethefun]

What are you guys' opinions on Jimmer? Seems like he would've been a good instant offense type guy to try to buy low at the trade deadline.

[Rafael122]

What are you guys' opinions on Jimmer? Seems like he would've been a good instant offense type guy to try to buy low at the trade deadline.

I probably would have given up Singleton and the 2nd rounder this year for him, and see what happens in the last 30 games or so to see if they should bring him back.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

What are you guys' opinions on Jimmer? Seems like he would've been a good instant offense type guy to try to buy low at the trade deadline.

Not a fan. He couldn't guard my grandma... And she's been dead over a decade.

On offense, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce....

[Illuminaire]

Yeah, but haven't you missed having a tiny dribble-happy pointguard in a Wizard's uniform? It just hasn't been the same since Boykins left.

[deneem4]

WE SHOULDVE TRADED NENE LIKE I SAID...HE WAITED EXACTLY TIL THE DEADLINE ENDED AND GOT INJURED...HE A WASTE OF SPACE ON THE TEAM

[gambitx777]

We probably could have moved him for gasol. It might have cost us a future first. but, we would have been better off all the way around. I think that
NENE, Harrington, Singleton, Kevin and a future protected first or some seconds, for Gasol and kelly would have gotten the deal done.

[hands11]

Singleton should be cut immediately and Udrih signed as insurance (if he were willing to take that role). Then sign the best shot blocker/rebounder you can in the d-league.

I think Miller is enough for the PG part and he adds a post scoring game we will see more off. Plus he is durable so not sure we need more insurance there.

I think what they need to add is some speed at the guard. Someone with some handles. If that is not Glen Rice and he doesn't have a future on the team then move on. Now that they have two less question marks to integrate into the team (Maynor/Ves) lets see where the remaining pieces fit or don't fit. This team had to many question marks all at once. Its tough to build that way.

One nice things about not being seen as a non playoff bottom tier team or even a stage 1 rebuild team is that its a lot easier to bring in legit mid level talent to try out at fair or cheap contracts. That's a powerful asset to have.

So they have about 10 more games to figure out how to tweak this thing. If Glen, Singleton and Otto aren't going to be a part of it this year, find some players that can. They have an open roster spot and can create more by cutting Glen and Singleton if needed.

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

The biggest mistake ?

[Error Afflalo]

WE SHOULDVE TRADED NENE LIKE I SAID...HE WAITED EXACTLY TIL THE DEADLINE ENDED AND GOT INJURED...HE A WASTE OF SPACE ON THE TEAM

Trade him for what? Who's giving up valuable assets for an injury prone 30 year old making $26 million the next two years? I wish this were NBA Live so we could turn off the other team's trade deny feature, but we can't. Factor in Ernie's GM skills and we're probably looking at a lesser player on a similar deal like Gerald Wallace, or the Kings' flotsam of Thompson/Landry/other garbage.

[Sluggerface]

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

The biggest mistake ?[/quote]

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.

[thricethefun]

Seems like it would have made more sense to grab Jimmer (The Kings are about to buyout his contract) and trade for a big instead of trading for Miller. Now that Nene and Seraphin are both out and we have no Jan we are really sunk. Jimmer would have given us a much needed spark off the bench and is a player who could play with both Wall and Beal. Stupid, stupid Ernie.

[verbal8]

Seems like it would have made more sense to grab Jimmer (The Kings are about to buyout his contract) and trade for a big instead of trading for Miller. Now that Nene and Seraphin are both out and we have no Jan we are really sunk. Jimmer would have given us a much needed spark off the bench and is a player who could play with both Wall and Beal. Stupid, stupid Ernie.

IMO the move that would have made the most sense would be to trade Ariza for a young big and hopefully a back-up guard. Jimmer or Udrih aren't as good as Miller, but they won't cost a 2nd rounder - although it was really dumping Maynor that cost the 2nd.

Trading Ariza would have hurt slightly this season, but could have put the Wizards in better position long-term.

[hands11]

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

The biggest mistake ?

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.[/quote]

Well that explains that. I don't agree but at least I understand where you are coming from.

But in the grant scheme of mistakes, putting this one at the top probably over stating it.

Interesting to see all the buy out talk. Should be easy picking to add talent for next to nothing. Good thing we gave up a young big and a 2nd to add a 37 year old Miller. Don't get me wrong. Miller is nice to have. Just wonder if we could have gotten him for nothing.

[truwizfan4evr]

Jimmer Fredette anyone?