Doug McDermott

[Hogified05]

I saw a highlight of him doing a step back one-legged Dirk jump shot. Promising. At worse you are going get a knock down 3 point shooter and who couldn't use that? Mid lottery to Mid first round. I think he is a safe bet just because of his shot alone. I kind of hope Orlando nabs him with their 2nd pick. I want a knock down shooter that we lack.

I hope he becomes an all-star wing. It''s been so long since there has been a great American white wing player. Just be nice to see. Just like it would be nice to see a black guy come in and dominate NASCAR. Makes things interesting and busts stereotypes.

[Pierre The Poet]

I saw a highlight of him doing a step back one-legged Dirk jump shot. Promising. At worse you are going get a knock down 3 point shooter and who couldn't use that? Mid lottery to Mid first round. I think he is a safe bet just because of his shot alone. I kind of hope Orlando nabs him with their 2nd pick. I want a knock down shooter that we lack.

I hope he becomes an all-star wing. It''s been so long since there has been a great American white wing player. Just be nice to see. Just like it would be nice to see a black guy come in and dominate NASCAR. Makes things interesting and busts stereotypes.

Stephen Curry is a great wing player

[Gilles]

I saw a highlight of him doing a step back one-legged Dirk jump shot. Promising. At worse you are going get a knock down 3 point shooter and who couldn't use that? Mid lottery to Mid first round. I think he is a safe bet just because of his shot alone. I kind of hope Orlando nabs him with their 2nd pick. I want a knock down shooter that we lack.

I hope he becomes an all-star wing. It''s been so long since there has been a great American white wing player. Just be nice to see. Just like it would be nice to see a black guy come in and dominate NASCAR. Makes things interesting and busts stereotypes.

Well, if you're going to pick him in the lottery, you'd better be sure, that he's not Luke Babbitt.

[EricAnderson]

i dont really follow, please elaborate.
10/4/3 isn't really unreasonable for mcdermott imo unless you think he won't even get enough minutes for that

it's been gone over ad nauseum. the only similarities b/t korver and mcdermott are that they're white, went to creighton and can shoot 3's. korver is a master 3 point shooter, who shoots very well on the move and can have sets designed around his ability to come of screens and shoot. mcdermott's more of a stand still catch and shoot 3 point shooter, who doesn't even shoot 3's on huge volume or on the move. he does the majority of his damage inside the arc off of curls, pnr, pnp, sleep screens, quick post ups, mid post face ups, flex action with a variety of different shots. runners, pull ups, quick release push shots, scoop shots, fades, back door cuts, etc. he has an uncanny ability to catch and release the ball around the box area quickly with accuracy before the defense reacts a la antawn jamison.
mcdermott has more variety to his game. he's also bigger, stronger and knows how to use positioning and leverage to get touches from all over the floor.
the korver comparison is lazy. any mcdermott comparison to players who are strictly shooters is lazy.

yeah show me Korver showign this type of skillset ever

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[Johnlac1]

What I find hilarious about this thread is that he is only being compared to white players

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That's because white players tend to be slower than black players on average. People comparing McDermott to white players like Korver do it because they're both on the lesser end of the athletic spectrum. Understand?

[Johnlac1]

late lottery is very fair i think for a korver type player imo
franchise players in a re-draft will go in the top, and most drafts don't have that many stars, so if you get a consistent contributor from the lottery i think that's a reasonable expectation

the nba is definitely power forward strong, but as the league trends towards more stretch 4's and positions continue to evolve into blends rather than staying pure, mcdermott's success will be more about the system that he is in rather than the individual one on one matchups. only the elite PFs will have legit post/back to the basket games, and in general, teams have different defensive schemes for that anyways and rely upon more than single coverage. as you see with pick and roll playing such a large role in every team's offense around the league, the success of a stopping the ball has markedly less emphasis on individual one on one matchups, and a much greater emphasis on the collective bball IQ of the team, mainly switching and cross covering each other.

Not necessarily true that only elite pfs have postup games. Boston has two non-elite pfs in Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk. It's interesting that while neither of those two are athletically gifted, it would be very difficult for McDermott to guard either down low. Sullinger would overpower him and Olynyk would have him height/length-wise. But McDermott would be more mobile than those two. But if he couldn't rebound againt them, the Boston players would have the edge. It will be interesting.

[arambone]

I could see him being a 1b scoring option, in an offense like Doc Rivers ran for Ray Allen in boston. Deliberate offense with lots of screens to free Dougie Style.

I think he's the kind of guy who makes others on the court more confident. Look how well his teammates all shoot and overachieve.

They don't get frustrated and let off the gas pedal when Doug gets beat defensively, and they know he's selfless so they don't hesitate to shoot. They're not sheepish about shooting or worried about glares from McDermott.

I think in the nba teammates will gladly pick up the slack defensively, and play more confidently and selflessly with this leader.

[FecesOfDeath]

I saw a highlight of him doing a step back one-legged Dirk jump shot. Promising. At worse you are going get a knock down 3 point shooter and who couldn't use that? Mid lottery to Mid first round. I think he is a safe bet just because of his shot alone. I kind of hope Orlando nabs him with their 2nd pick. I want a knock down shooter that we lack.

I hope he becomes an all-star wing. It''s been so long since there has been a great American white wing player. Just be nice to see. Just like it would be nice to see a black guy come in and dominate NASCAR. Makes things interesting and busts stereotypes.

Well, if you're going to pick him in the lottery, you'd better be sure, that he's not Luke Babbitt.

Babbitt was not a lights out shooter in college, and it's clear that Luke relied more on his athleticism than his skill to score in the WAC, which, despite also having Paul George at the time, didn't and doesn't have a plethora of world-class athletes or NBA/Euroleague-level talent compared to the Big East.

The only thing that's keeping McDermott from moving up the draft board is his tweener size and average foot speed, which, in the right defensive scheme (Chicago, Charlotte) can be camouflaged to not be a big hindrance.

[Gilles]

I saw a highlight of him doing a step back one-legged Dirk jump shot. Promising. At worse you are going get a knock down 3 point shooter and who couldn't use that? Mid lottery to Mid first round. I think he is a safe bet just because of his shot alone. I kind of hope Orlando nabs him with their 2nd pick. I want a knock down shooter that we lack.

I hope he becomes an all-star wing. It''s been so long since there has been a great American white wing player. Just be nice to see. Just like it would be nice to see a black guy come in and dominate NASCAR. Makes things interesting and busts stereotypes.

Well, if you're going to pick him in the lottery, you'd better be sure, that he's not Luke Babbitt.

Babbitt was not a lights out shooter in college, and it's clear that Luke relied more on his athleticism than his skill to score in the WAC, which, despite also having Paul George at the time, didn't and doesn't have a plethora of world-class athletes or NBA/Euroleague-level talent compared to the Big East.

The only thing that's keeping McDermott from moving up the draft board is his tweener size and average foot speed, which, in the right defensive scheme (Chicago, Charlotte) can be camouflaged to not be a big hindrance.

Yeah, .421 from 3 and .893 from FT line over 2 year career looks like a guy, who can't shoot.

[FecesOfDeath]

Yeah, .421 from 3 and .893 from FT line over 2 year career looks like a guy, who can't shoot.

I never said he can't shoot. He's just not lights out. He only averaged 1.1 makes on 2.6 attempts per game. In addition, his shooting release, while not real slow, was such that he needed some space in order to get it off. If you watch videos of his shooting release in college compared to his as a pro you'll see a big difference. He's purely a spot-up shooter now compared to how and when he took threes in Nevada.

Let's just say his shooting ability wasn't exactly what kept opposing WAC coaches up at night.

Kendall Marshall is shooting 47.2% on three-pointers this season, but that doesn't make him a lights-out shooter. He'll make you pay if you leave him wide open, but he'll very rarely hit one with a semblance of defense in his face unlike the way Korver or Ray Allen can.

[Chi town]

When its all said and done I think he goes top 12. Elite 3pt shooter is his floor (ala Korver) his cieling is a 20ppg scoring SF/Stretch 4. I think it all depends on who drafts him. in a Spurs or Bulls system where there is movement or a speed team like PHO with lots of secondary breaks he will thrive and max his potential.

[Sixercise]

Adam Morrison is my best comparison. Both him and McDermott were really good shooters and scorers(college comparison) but are terrible athletes. McDermott might find a niche in the league with his shooting (I mean brian cardinal did as well) but he's a fairly bad value as a lotto pick, IMO

[rockmanslim]

i dont really follow, please elaborate.
10/4/3 isn't really unreasonable for mcdermott imo unless you think he won't even get enough minutes for that

it's been gone over ad nauseum. the only similarities b/t korver and mcdermott are that they're white, went to creighton and can shoot 3's. korver is a master 3 point shooter, who shoots very well on the move and can have sets designed around his ability to come of screens and shoot. mcdermott's more of a stand still catch and shoot 3 point shooter, who doesn't even shoot 3's on huge volume or on the move. he does the majority of his damage inside the arc off of curls, pnr, pnp, sleep screens, quick post ups, mid post face ups, flex action with a variety of different shots. runners, pull ups, quick release push shots, scoop shots, fades, back door cuts, etc. he has an uncanny ability to catch and release the ball around the box area quickly with accuracy before the defense reacts a la antawn jamison.
mcdermott has more variety to his game. he's also bigger, stronger and knows how to use positioning and leverage to get touches from all over the floor.
the korver comparison is lazy. any mcdermott comparison to players who are strictly shooters is lazy.

yeah show me Korver showign this type of skillset ever

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If anybody on that team plays like Korver, it's not McDermott, it's Wragge.

[PlayerUp]

He could be one of the biggest busts in the draft but it's hard to tell until we see his game translate to the NBA Level.

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[ManualRam]

Adam Morrison is my best comparison. Both him and McDermott were really good shooters and scorers(college comparison) but are terrible athletes. McDermott might find a niche in the league with his shooting (I mean brian cardinal did as well) but he's a fairly bad value as a lotto pick, IMO

terrible comparison. morrison was an iso player in college who created a lot of his own offense, specializing in making difficult, contested shots. doug is not an iso player, does not create his offense and does his work early to get easier shots.

[reignfire]

Adam Morrison is my best comparison. Both him and McDermott were really good shooters and scorers(college comparison) but are terrible athletes. McDermott might find a niche in the league with his shooting (I mean brian cardinal did as well) but he's a fairly bad value as a lotto pick, IMO

terrible comparison. morrison was an iso player in college who created a lot of his own offense, specializing in making difficult, contested shots. doug is not an iso player, does not create his offense and does his work early to get easier shots.

What's your projection of him in terms of numbers and role?

If he can't ISO then he won't be a scorer. If he requires others to create for him, isn't his ceiling a man coming off the bench? Considering everything else he lacks.

[ManualRam]

Adam Morrison is my best comparison. Both him and McDermott were really good shooters and scorers(college comparison) but are terrible athletes. McDermott might find a niche in the league with his shooting (I mean brian cardinal did as well) but he's a fairly bad value as a lotto pick, IMO

terrible comparison. morrison was an iso player in college who created a lot of his own offense, specializing in making difficult, contested shots. doug is not an iso player, does not create his offense and does his work early to get easier shots.

What's your projection of him in terms of numbers and role?

If he can't ISO then he won't be a scorer. If he requires others to create for him, isn't his ceiling a man coming off the bench? Considering everything else he lacks.

not every starter can iso. i don't know why that should be seen a requirement to start. a player doesn't need to iso to put the ball in the basket either. it might be a requirement to be a star, but not a starter. stars or #1 options need complementary players too, which i think doug projects to be in the right situation. i think he'd be a good complement to a #1 option who'll hit the open man because he's a threat to make himself available for shots from every level of the floor.

[Jazzfan12]

But for a guy who is going to be a zero on defense, doesn't he need to be able to get off enough shots to make up for the fact that the team starting him will either have no perimeter defense (if he starts at SF) or will have no chance of protecting the paint (if he starts at PF)?

[reignfire]

terrible comparison. morrison was an iso player in college who created a lot of his own offense, specializing in making difficult, contested shots. doug is not an iso player, does not create his offense and does his work early to get easier shots.

What's your projection of him in terms of numbers and role?

If he can't ISO then he won't be a scorer. If he requires others to create for him, isn't his ceiling a man coming off the bench? Considering everything else he lacks.

not every starter can iso. i don't know why that should be seen a requirement to start. a player doesn't need to iso to put the ball in the basket either. it might be a requirement to be a star, but not a starter. stars or #1 options need complementary players too, which i think doug projects to be in the right situation. i think he'd be a good complement to a #1 option who'll hit the open man because he's a threat to make himself available for shots from every level of the floor.

You really expect a 6'8'' PF who isn't an athlete, who can't create his own shot, being not only a starter, but a number 2 option?

I agree with a lot of your posts but you are completely off on this one.

[ManualRam]

What's your projection of him in terms of numbers and role?

If he can't ISO then he won't be a scorer. If he requires others to create for him, isn't his ceiling a man coming off the bench? Considering everything else he lacks.

not every starter can iso. i don't know why that should be seen a requirement to start. a player doesn't need to iso to put the ball in the basket either. it might be a requirement to be a star, but not a starter. stars or #1 options need complementary players too, which i think doug projects to be in the right situation. i think he'd be a good complement to a #1 option who'll hit the open man because he's a threat to make himself available for shots from every level of the floor.

You really expect a 6'8'' PF who isn't an athlete, who can't create his own shot, being not only a starter, but a number 2 option?

I agree with a lot of your posts but you are completely off on this one.

did i say anything about him being a #2? no. i said complementary player. i think he'll be a player who cannot be doubled off of and who's defender has to be cognizant of at all times because of his knowledge of playing off the ball.