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[Powder Blue]

By waiting to deal Miller, the Nuggets had left open the possibility that they could expand the market for him and get better offers. Instead, the longer the silence between Miller and Shaw has persisted, the more the market for Miller has weakened.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... r-fredette

[Powder Blue]

I know i'm pretty much just talking to myself on here but...Count McGee out for the year too....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nuggets-ce ... 4-nba.html

[The Rebel]

By waiting to deal Miller, the Nuggets had left open the possibility that they could expand the market for him and get better offers. Instead, the longer the silence between Miller and Shaw has persisted, the more the market for Miller has weakened.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2 ... r-fredette

I seen that coming, they tried to pull the Melo type wait and see deal, but Miller is not Melo, and has a history of enjoying his time off shall we say, the longer they wait the worse it will get with him.

I know i'm pretty much just talking to myself on here but...Count McGee out for the year too....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nuggets-ce ... 4-nba.html

Sorry had some family medical stuff come up last week, and have been busy enough at work that I have not even watched the last 2 games yet.

That being said with the Nuggets refusing to put out a timeline on McGee and no rumors of a pending return, i was beginning to believe this was inevitable. I wish for his and the Nuggets sake this report is wrong and he can get back at some point this year, the lost development time could be crucial in the long run.

[josh_nuggets]

Damn, not what I like to hear after waking up.

[The Rebel]

http://stationcaster.com/player_skinned ... &f=2411913
Karl interview

Karl has taken issue with Shaw complaining about guys not wanting to shoot.

That being said Karl made some good points with the mid range game, with the use of advanced stats I do not understand how Shaw cannot understand why mid range shots are such a bad idea, having an offense seemingly designed to always get mid range shots is a terrible offense.

[Powder Blue]

Hurry up trade deadline, force the FO to make a move, Lawson gonna die as the only PG

[josh_nuggets]

Hurry up trade deadline, force the FO to make a move, Lawson gonna die as the only PG

U were right

[pickaxe]

I am done for the rest of this season. Not interested in buying tickets anymore......waste of time, waste of money. I'd rather see a reality show about Javale, Nate and Gallinari healing up and guest Nuggets showing up in the hospital from time to time in a M.A.S.H.-like setting.

Done spending money on this waste. I may be done with T.C. all together. Do not want to see the players he traded for. He seems to care as much about this team as the Monforts do about the Rockies, from the standpoint of a GM.

::edit:: don't get me wrong, if I see the right moves being made or some sort of effort to correct the ship I'll pay to watch a game again ......running the ship into the ground gets nothing but my contempt

[Powder Blue]

I am done for the rest of this season. Not interested in buying tickets anymore......waste of time, waste of money. I'd rather see a reality show about Javale, Nate and Gallinari healing up and guest Nuggets showing up in the hospital from time to time in a M.A.S.H.-like setting.

Done spending money on this waste. I may be done with T.C. all together. Do not want to see the players he traded for. He seems to care as much about this team as the Monforts do about the Rockies, from the standpoint of a GM.

::edit:: don't get me wrong, if I see the right moves being made or some sort of effort to correct the ship I'll pay to watch a game again ......running the ship into the ground gets nothing but my contempt

I wouldn't pay to see this team without a PG either. I can't see how we could all see this coming but the Nuggets front office didn't. The Post needs to blast their ass, someone in the media does!

[pickaxe]

I am done for the rest of this season. Not interested in buying tickets anymore......waste of time, waste of money. I'd rather see a reality show about Javale, Nate and Gallinari healing up and guest Nuggets showing up in the hospital from time to time in a M.A.S.H.-like setting.

Done spending money on this waste. I may be done with T.C. all together. Do not want to see the players he traded for. He seems to care as much about this team as the Monforts do about the Rockies, from the standpoint of a GM.

::edit:: don't get me wrong, if I see the right moves being made or some sort of effort to correct the ship I'll pay to watch a game again ......running the ship into the ground gets nothing but my contempt

I wouldn't pay to see this team without a PG either. I can't see how we could all see this coming but the Nuggets front office didn't. The Post needs to blast their ass, someone in the media does!

Yes. There is definitely an air of neglect. With the effort and thought and work that was put into the 1st post-melo season it's just gone downhill. I can see moving on from one or two things and trying to improve them....but this is kind of like the one nagging car problem that slowly starts causing other problems in other areas of the car. That's exactly what it is like.

Please, Post, call this team out! You need paying fans.

[Powder Blue]

Dempsey wrote a damn puff piece saying TC is having a hard time evaluating the roster and he's constantly probing to make the team better. BS I say, if you have no healthly PG's sign a motherf...in PG. None of us are looking for a blockbuster deal at this point, just something to keep us afloat.

[RRFB]

You realize the roster is full at 15 men right now, right? We can't just go out and sign a free agent PG.

I don't see anything wrong with TC holding onto Andre until this point. If none of the offers fit what we were looking for, why take a bad return just for the sake of trading him? His value can't get any lower and it sounds like the same offers from a month ago are still on the table today. This only becomes an issue if the other PGs get hurt - which unfortunately happened, but you can't blame Connelly for that. A fractured rib is a freak injury, not something that happens from playing too many minutes.

What if TC panicked with the Andre Miller situation and immediately traded him for a Center (where it looked like we needed the depth at the time)? We'd be screwed right now with no way to obtain another ball handler. At least our options are still open...

[Powder Blue]

You realize the roster is full at 15 men right now, right? We can't just go out and sign a free agent PG.

I don't see anything wrong with TC holding onto Andre until this point. If none of the offers fit what we were looking for, why take a bad return just for the sake of trading him? His value can't get any lower and it sounds like the same offers from a month ago are still on the table today. This only becomes an issue if the other PGs get hurt - which unfortunately happened, but you can't blame Connelly for that. A fractured rib is a freak injury, not something that happens from playing too many minutes.

What if TC panicked with the Andre Miller situation and immediately traded him for a Center (where it looked like we needed the depth at the time)? We'd be screwed right now with no way to obtain another ball handler. At least our options are still open...

I was going to hit you with the Injured player exception but I did my research and read that you can't apply for such an exception after Jan. 15th and at that time the Nuggets weren't sure that both Gallo and Mcgee would be out for the year. So right now we're stuck at 15...two guys that could be cut loose are Hamilton or AR (but AR has another year on his deal)

So TC can't outright sign a player. He could still make a trade to bring a PG onto the roster. Nate went out a couple weeks ago. At that point he knew Lawson was the only PG and was going to play heavy minutes. I don't blame him for the rib fracture but knowing that you only had one PG and he was going to be playing upwards of 40 mpg you've got to realize the extra time coupled with the way he plays was bound to cause an injury.

I woulda been fine if TC had traded Miller for a center, at the time and presently we need help there. Miller's value has gone down over the past month and other teams know the Nuggets are much more desperate to move him.....meaning he will haul in even less. The buck has to stop somewhere and we can't be blaming the first year head coach with an undersized roster and no healthy PG's at the moment.

[patrol345]

Lets not act like he made great moves this offseason either. Heck his best signing of the off season is Randy Foye that says alot about how great his "talent" eval is.

[The Rebel]

While I have not watched much of any of the games for the last few days, I have seen some of the comments from Shaw, and it seems like every time I watch them it just makes me lose more respect for Shaw. It seems like he is unwilling to take responsibility for any of the problems, instead it is always the players and George Karl's fault. When does he say he has to be a better coach, or he has to work on getting the players on the same page?

I was one of his biggest advocates but did not realize that he was going to need a stacked team of prototypical players for the system he was going to insist on running, which means if the Nuggets plan is to keep Shaw they have to rebuild as really the only prototypical types the Nuggets have is Fournier, Lawson, Gallo, and Mozgov.

The problem I see is that I do not have much faith in Connelly this team has become a mess with his signings this last summer.

[Powder Blue]

While I have not watched much of any of the games for the last few days, I have seen some of the comments from Shaw, and it seems like every time I watch them it just makes me lose more respect for Shaw. It seems like he is unwilling to take responsibility for any of the problems, instead it is always the players and George Karl's fault. When does he say he has to be a better coach, or he has to work on getting the players on the same page?

I was one of his biggest advocates but did not realize that he was going to need a stacked team of prototypical players for the system he was going to insist on running, which means if the Nuggets plan is to keep Shaw they have to rebuild as really the only prototypical types the Nuggets have is Fournier, Lawson, Gallo, and Mozgov.

The problem I see is that I do not have much faith in Connelly this team has become a mess with his signings this last summer.

He just said it...

Shaw has never excluded himself from those who need to find answers. He has pointed the finger at himself on numerous occasions, and didn't spare his role in the improvement that's needed after the break.

"Collectively, until we figure out how to defend — and a big part of that is on us as a coaching staff, just trying to figure what's going to work best for us matchup-wise, activity-wise — that's going to get us aggressive and get our confidence up," Shaw said. "We lost a little bit of confidence on this (past) road trip. It's no better time to have a break than now."

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_25 ... star-break

[pickaxe]

Thing about going out on a limb. If the limb starts cracking, you have to consider the fall or start backing up a foot or two.

I'm fine with Shaw being coach if he's given the same roster punch that Karl had last season. If we're downgrading the overall talent of the team I seriously would have just rather, realistically, given Karl one more season to get it done. The trade that would have happened in the offseason would be purely to get a SG back into the lineup without losing any assets, and to ensure the 3 point shooting was shored up.

It was well worth one last additional season because the team was not that far off. We could see that with Gallo and a player of Iggy's caliber this was a very strong, well distributed team with a coach that was as seasoned as you get. It was petty to ignore Karl's improvements. While being a very important point, the 1st round exit could be directly pinned on not having a Gallo. 3 adjustments needed to be made to the team: replacement for Iggy, shore up the 3 point shooting, healthy Gallo.

Really, this could all be accomplished by acquiring back our very own Arron Afflalo and allowing Gallo to heal up while giving Wilson this entire season to grow. Tbph, that is a very small time to wait compared to the projected wait time now.

So we make a move for Shaw. We have a crappy trade executed that completely incinerates the size advantage we had, and injury creeps in. Our new coach eliminates our backup pg and both pgs go down. We haven't made any moves to fit Shaw's system nor have we kept the exact same team in place to see how Shaw could handle the exact same situation Karl had, thereby waiting until this year's draft to actually make the appropriate moves to get Shaw the exact right players for his system.

There was no need to make several changes to the team until one fairly critical change was assessed, and that was how Shaw handles a full season with a carefully crafted roster that proved themselves. We should have maintained a very strong trading position, evaluated Shaw, and head directly into this draft to make the roster moves correctly.

From that conservative standpoint, I think the trigger was pulled way too soon on too many things that were based on assumption and not enough patience with those that were based on established facts.

So what do we do now? -Take evaluating Shaw seriously. He may take it even more safe than Karl ever did. What I mean by that is what is Shaw willing to do that Karl wasn't?

Anyway, that's how I view the mess. I know there's a lot of hindsight is 20/20 in there, but I'm just a fan and I've been sensing this all along. There are GMs getting paid to sense the same things and for some reason they are not sensing them.

The ONLY move that I could applaud the FO for at this point is if they acquired Arron Afflalo for Andre Miller. Solves a lot of problems all at once, and I don't think Arron's too old. He's the perfect age for a 2-3 year build up. Billups was right when he recommended him initially.

Maybe sign Carter or Boykins as a temporary signing to get through the season, trade Miller for Afflalo, and I think we would all be much more at ease heading into this draft.

[RRFB]

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[Echelon_Desi]

Jimmer Fredette would be a nice back up off the bench

[Teens On Acid]

we don't have any roster spots though right?