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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#141 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:20 pm

jdm3 wrote:I like Vonleh more than Randle for some reason.


I like Vonleh's skill set a lot more than Randle's too, but I'm honestly not impressed by neither. Randle has the reputation that preceded him thing going as a highly touted high school recruit, but Vonleh is the better shooter & defender. I would hope that Cho look in another direction, but I wouldn't be overtly disappointed if he drafted neither of Randle or Vonleh with the Detroit 1st rounder the way how I was when he selected Cody Zeller. I have to admit, the storyline of drafting back-to-back power forwards in the lottery from Indiana would create quite the stir for bloggers & etc.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#142 » by BeesWax » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:29 pm

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jdm3 wrote:I like Vonleh more than Randle for some reason.


I like Vonleh's skill set a lot more than Randle's too, but I'm honestly not impressed by neither. Randle has the reputation that preceded him thing going as a highly touted high school recruit, but Vonleh is the better shooter & defender. I would hope that Cho look in another direction, but I wouldn't be overtly disappointed if he drafted neither of Randle or Vonleh with the Detroit 1st rounder the way how I was when he selected Cody Zeller. I have to admit, the storyline of drafting back-to-back power forwards in the lottery from Indiana would create quite the stir for bloggers & etc.

I would doubt we take either of them because it would be like admitting we were wrong with Zeller. Depending on how tall Vonleh measures out he could be a C/PF prospect which makes him a better option along with his range and defense. Remember he is not one of those guys who went to college at 19 he is still just 18 and could grow a little more.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#143 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:37 pm

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jdm3 wrote:I like Vonleh more than Randle for some reason.


I like Vonleh's skill set a lot more than Randle's too, but I'm honestly not impressed by neither. Randle has the reputation that preceded him thing going as a highly touted high school recruit, but Vonleh is the better shooter & defender. I would hope that Cho look in another direction, but I wouldn't be overtly disappointed if he drafted neither of Randle or Vonleh with the Detroit 1st rounder the way how I was when he selected Cody Zeller. I have to admit, the storyline of drafting back-to-back power forwards in the lottery from Indiana would create quite the stir for bloggers & etc.

I would doubt we take either of them because it would be like admitting we were wrong with Zeller. Depending on how tall Vonleh measures out he could be a C/PF prospect which makes him a better option along with his range and defense. Remember he is not one of those guys who went to college at 19 he is still just 18 and could grow a little more.


I don't see Vonleh measuring out that tall, even though I'd assume that he may have grown a inch or two. His last official measurement of note had him measured in at 6'8" with shoes. Like you mentioned though, I don't see Cho swallowing his pride to draft another PF with Zeller still developing and McRoberts likely still on the books

Charlotte need to cover the bases that they've failed to cover over the past couple of drafts, and that's finding a replacement or at least competition for Henderson's starting SG spot. That's why I'm currently favoring James Young for Charlotte with the Detroit 1st rounder
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#144 » by catch20two » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:58 pm

Hendo hasn't had competition for his starting spot since he's had it. No wonder he's so lackadaisical. The closest thing to competition he's had was Jeff Taylor, a 2nd round pick that can't shoot but is willing to shoot after maybe a thousand pump fakes. Even Taylor took Hendo's spot for a second until Hendo showed some sense of urgency to get his spot back and then went on a tear in the last two months of the season to secure himself a contract.

We need to draft a SG. It's LONG OVERDUE.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#145 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:07 pm

catch20two wrote:Hendo hasn't had competition for his starting spot since he's had it. No wonder he's so lackadaisical. The closest thing to competition he's had was Jeff Taylor, a 2nd round pick that can't shoot but is willing to shoot after maybe a thousand pump fakes. Even Taylor took Hendo's spot for a second until Hendo showed some sense of urgency to get his spot back and then went on a tear in the last two months of the season to secure himself a contract.

We need to draft a SG. It's LONG OVERDUE.


I remember it like yesterday. I thought the Henderson at starting shooting guard era was over

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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#146 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:28 pm

The logo, Jerry West, has spoken, saying that this year's draft class is "poor", and I have to agree with him. Jabari Parker is a possible transcending talent and will definitely be a all-star caliber player, but Andrew Wiggins & Julius Randle have both been disappointments that would benefit from at least another year of collegiate play if this was the 80's or 90's, and the same also could be said for Joel Embiid who has struggled to deliver consistent production
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#147 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:38 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:The logo, Jerry West, has spoken, saying that this year's draft class is "poor", and I have to agree with him. Jabari Parker is a possible transcending talent and will definitely be a all-star caliber player, but Andrew Wiggins & Julius Randle have both been disappointments that would benefit from at least another year of collegiate play if this was the 80's or 90's, and the same also could be said for Joel Embiid who has struggled to deliver consistent production


There we go. 2015 could very well end up being a better draft, thus why none of us should concern ourselves with the Pistons pick moving to top-1 protection.

Look at all the teams around them.

The Cavs have tons of young talent.

The Bobcats will improve.

The Nets and Knicks have money and large endorsement deals.

The Bulls get back Rose.

The Hawks get back Horford.

The Wiz have a positive direction and deep squad.

The Celtics have Rondo for a full season and Sullinger coming along and they could draft higher than the Pistons.

The Pistons have their work cut out for them to say the least.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread II 

Post#148 » by Hugo The Hornet » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:39 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:The logo, Jerry West, has spoken, saying that this year's draft class is "poor", and I have to agree with him. Jabari Parker is a possible transcending talent and will definitely be a all-star caliber player, but Andrew Wiggins & Julius Randle have both been disappointments that would benefit from at least another year of collegiate play if this was the 80's or 90's, and the same also could be said for Joel Embiid who has struggled to deliver consistent production


There we go. 2015 could very well end up being a better draft, thus why none of us should concern ourselves with the Pistons pick moving to top-1 protection.

Look at all the teams around them.

The Cavs have tons of young talent.

The Bobcats will improve.

The Nets and Knicks have money and large endorsement deals.

The Bulls get back Rose.

The Hawks get back Horford.

The Wiz have a positive direction and deep squad.

The Celtics have Rondo for a full season and Sullinger coming along and they could draft higher than the Pistons.

The Pistons have their work cut out for them to say the least.

Don't be sure about the Bulls and Rose. We thought that Rose will back to be 100% this year, but he injured again. Even if Rose will back next season, I don't know if he will play like before the injury. We never know what the future may bring.
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Post#150 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:32 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Grantland profile of Zach Lavine.
http://grantland.com/features/swinging- ... aft-yo-yo/


I can't see LaVine returning to UCLA for another season under Alford. At least I wouldn't advise him to. It's going to be a very tough decision for him & his family to decide whether or not he should enter the draft projected as a mid-to-late 1st rounder, transfer to another school, and return to UCLA
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Post#151 » by MasterIchiro » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:12 pm

“Because he does have that skill set, that length, that athletic ability — that, combined with his ability to shoot the basketball, teams really covet.”


I've heard of those teams before but figured it was a myth.
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Post#152 » by Elden Payton » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:21 am

Obviously this draft was over hyped but it is still real solid imo.

Plenty of depth in that 7-15 area as well imo.

1-6 all have the potential to be perennial all-stars.
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Post#153 » by HornetJail » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:06 am

Yeah, I agree there's a pretty clear-cut top 6 at this point, a significant downgrade but I think anywhere else in the lottery has plenty of talent.
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Post#154 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:45 am

I honestly think this draft is beginning to look overrated. Very overrated.

Still leaps and bounds better than last years, though
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Post#155 » by catch20two » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:51 am

The 2010 draft was stronger than this draft.
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Post#156 » by catch20two » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:57 am

Randle is so easy to defend. Just box out so he can't get offensive rebounds or keep your hands straight up when he shoot and he'll miss. Cousins was way way way better than Randle when he was at Kentucky, Wall was better than both the twins put together, and Bledsoe was just as good or better than Young. Kentucky was hyped up to be this juggernaut team because of their strong recruiting class and they are mad average. I've seen a lot better.
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Post#157 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:16 am

catch20two wrote:Randle is so easy to defend. Just box out so he can't get offensive rebounds or keep your hands straight up when he shoot and he'll miss. Cousins was way way way better than Randle when he was at Kentucky, Wall was better than both the twins put together, and Bledsoe was just as good or better than Young. Kentucky was hyped up to be this juggernaut team because of their strong recruiting class and they are mad average. I've seen a lot better.


I actually thought Randle would average nearly a 20/10 as a freshmen. He will be a solid pro, but nothing out of this world like some thought. Same goes for just about every other prospect other than Parker, Wiggins, Embiid and maybe Exum.

Marcus Smart may end up being better than any of them. Too bad he is a head case.
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Post#158 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:03 am

Zach LaVine will breakout tonight to show everybody why he was considered a lottery pick not too long ago, with ball-dominant players, Kyle Anderson & Jordan Adams, suspended for tonight's game
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Post#159 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:15 am

I wouldn't rule out trying to improve the PF or SF position in this draft with a pick around 9-10, especially PF. I think Saric is going to be a pretty solid stretch 4 in the NBA.

Aaron Gordons stock isn't exactly rising either.
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Post#160 » by catch20two » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:20 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:Zach LaVine will breakout tonight to show everybody why he was considered a lottery pick not too long ago, with ball-dominant players, Kyle Anderson & Jordan Adams, suspended for tonight's game

Looking good so far.
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