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Post#361 » by In2ition » Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:16 pm

ShawnBronald wrote:On that same note, I think Hornacek needs to start playing Len more consistently. It could possibly help us now, but will definitely help in the future.

It's a balancing act. On one hand, if you play him too much and he's not still not ready, you take a chance that he loses confidence. But, if you don't play him, and he really could blossom with more minutes and increased responsibility, you risk holding back his growth. It would be nice to know exactly which path to go, in regards to giving Len minutes right now. That might be the biggest issue going forward. If Len can live up to his potential and take the starting spot, it will help Plumlee to go to his more natural position of coming off the bench. It would help both players. Right now, it's on Len. IMO, I think it would have been good to make the trade for Pau. It would have taken some of the pressure off of Len to mature quicker than he can, and put Plumlee into the bench role. It possibly could have helped in Len's development to learn and practice against Pau. Honestly, I don't know which is the best path to take for Len.
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Sign Jimmer the minute he gets bought out.
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Post#363 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:06 pm

Here is part an article posted by Amin Elhassan about the 2014 free agents and what his estimate is of their approximate value of each player is...

...this is sorted by the AAV (average annual value) of the new contracts I believe each player deserves under the rules of the CBA. To make my contract value estimates, I used many of the same factors I used as a member of the Phoenix Suns' front office: age, injury history, value of recent comparable player contracts, irreplaceability of skill set, contribution to winning, history of production, fit with style and culture, marketability and current cap situation, among other things.

Remember, this is not a ranking of the best free agents -- it lines them up based on projected AAV; and the AAVs listed below represent my estimation of the approximate value of each player, not a prediction of what the player will receive on the market in 2014. (Values denoted in millions of dollars.) The contract valuations for many of these players are almost guaranteed to change, as their 2013-14 performances will affect their worth, but it is important to get a gauge of where the different prospects stand.

LeBron James | SF | ETO | 2013-14 Team: Miami Heat

2013-14 Salary: $19.1 million | Suggested AAV: $23.1 million/year, five years, ETO on fifth year

You could make the argument that the Heat could seek to collaborate with James to take another pay cut to ensure Miami's ability to reload this aging roster, but I'd err on the side of caution and just give LeBron the maximum allowable amount of money for the maximum allowable years, with any option he desires.

Chris Bosh | PF/C | ETO | 2013-14 Team: Miami Heat

2013-14 Salary: $19.1 million | Suggested AAV: $20.1 million/year, 5 years, partial guarantee on final year

There has been some speculation within league circles that Bosh is more willing to test the open market than previously expected; that shouldn't stop Miami from being able to offer him a deal that guarantees him more money than any other team can, while still retaining some flexibility.

Dirk Nowitzki | PF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Dallas Mavericks

2013-14 Salary: $22.7 million | Suggested AAV: $15.0 million/year, two years, player option on second year

Just when you thought he was slowing down, Nowitzki comes back with a strong season, shooting a career high eFG% and flirting with a 20+ PPG, 50-40-90 season. He's said he wants to come back for two to three more seasons, so this deal allows him to gauge whether he feels like going on while still affording the Mavs the flexibility to add surrounding talent.

Greg Monroe | C | RFA | 2013-14 Team: Detroit Pistons

2013-14 Salary: $4.1 million | Suggested AAV: $12.5 million/year, four years

Monroe's season hasn't been the resounding statement he'd probably hoped it would be after failing to reach an agreement for an extension last October, but it bears mentioning that he's been able to maintain relatively even production despite playing in a pretty questionable situation. At 23 years old, he's got a world of potential, although his defense lags far behind his offense. This deal is framed against the comparable extensions signed by DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors.

Zach Randolph | PF | PO | 2013-14 Team: Memphis Grizzlies

2013-14 Salary: $18.2 million | Suggested AAV: $12.0 million/year, three years, partial guarantee in final year

I dropped Randolph's value in large part because of the struggles he and the Grizzlies endured in Marc Gasol's absence. While Randolph was able to score the ball and his rebounding improved, his field goal percentage plummeted to below 42 percent and the team fell behind in the standings. The good news is since Gasol's return, "Z-Bo" has gone back to his usual, efficient self and the team has been on a roll. But it does highlight his place as a complementary piece. The new estimate reflects this, and is based on recent deals signed by David West and Kevin Garnett.

Eric Bledsoe | PG | RFA | 2013-14 Team: Phoenix Suns

2013-14 Salary: $2.6 million | Suggested AAV: $10.2 million/year, four years (incentives to reach $11.5 million per year)

There are two ways to view Bledsoe's injury. You can either see it as another element of uncertainty that will temper potential offers given the small sample size of games played and concern for the health of his knee, or you believe he's proven everything he needs to and has earned his next contract. I think he's done more of the latter, pushing him closer to the next stratosphere of young point guards (Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson). My suggested contract would give him the opportunity to prove he is of that caliber.

Tim Duncan | PF/C | PO | 2013-14 Team: San Antonio Spurs

2013-14 Salary: $10.4 million | Suggested AAV: $10.0 million/year, two years, player option on second year

Nothing has changed here, other than recent comments from ESPN analyst George Karl that Duncan might retire after this season. At this point, I am prepared to say the Spurs and Duncan can continue their productive relationship on into perpetuity.

Pau Gasol | F/C | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Los Angeles Lakers

2013-14 Salary: $19.3 million | Suggested AAV: $10.3 million/year, three years

The 2010 Gasol might not be walking through that door, but if he can continue to channel January 2014 (20.8 PPG 11.9 RPG, 51% FG), Gasol might secure himself a strong deal. Not getting traded probably hurt him more than any other prospective free agent on this list, so he's got to make the most of his remaining days as a Laker.

Gordon Hayward | SF | RFA | 2013-14 Team: Utah Jazz

2013-14 Salary: $3.5 million | Suggested AAV: $9 million/year, four years

Hayward has struggled with his shooting touch this season (3P% below 30 percent), but there will be no shortage of suitors willing to take a chance on him, particularly if he doesn't have to be a main offensive option. His size, age and skill level all make him a worthwhile investment, although his valuation gets knocked down to reflect the precipitous drop in shooting efficiency.

Lance Stephenson | SG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Indiana Pacers

2013-14 Salary: $1.0 million | Suggested AAV: $9.5 million/year, four years

In November, I said Granger's early injury problems were good news for Stephenson, who would have a chance to improve his value. I didn't see this much improvement coming, as Stephenson has become one of the most exciting young guards in the league. Using DeMar DeRozan's contract as a comparable puts Stephenson at $38 million over four years for an AAV of $9.5 million. Still, I believe he is more valuable in the confines of the Pacers' organization, where there are multiple checks and balances to keep him in line than he would be in most other franchises.

Rudy Gay | SF | PO | 2013-14 Team: Sacramento Kings

2013-14 Salary: $17.9 million | Suggested AAV: $9 million/year, three years, player option on third year

Gay has been marginally better in Sacramento than he was in Toronto, most notably shooting better around the rim. But his defense leaves a lot to be desired, and he hasn't regained the type of perimeter shooting efficiency he exhibited at the beginning of his current deal. If I were advising Gay, I'd tell him not to opt out, but if he does, a three-year, $27 million with a player option might be too generous.

Kyle Lowry | PG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Toronto Raptors

2013-14 Salary: $6.2 million | Suggested AAV: $8.5 million/year, three years

Along with Stephenson, arguably no player has increased his market value this season as much as Lowry did, playing at what should have been considered an All-Star level and being the main driving force behind Toronto's ascension into the playoff picture (although both of those facts should be tempered by the reality that he's done it in the Eastern Conference). His caustic personality hasn't gone away, and he is 27, so he doesn't get the full bump to an eight-figure AAV.

Marcin Gortat | C | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Washington Wizards

2013-14 Salary: $7.7 million | Suggested AAV: $8.3 million/year, three years

Gortat has performed up to expectation in Washington, but his value will be tested while Nené sits because of injury. He has a very real opportunity to add to his valuation by being able to step his production up.

Emeka Okafor | C | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Phoenix Suns

2013-14 Salary: $14.5 million | Suggested AAV: $8.3 million/year, three years, 50 percent guarantee on first year, 0 percent guarantee on second and third years

Okafor appears to be destined to miss the entire 2013-14 season. Whether this is due to the seriousness of the injury or the desire of the Suns to continue to reap the benefit of the insurance benefits is irrelevant. His value in free agency is compromised to some degree, but if healthy, he is a solid starting center. By giving only a partial guarantee in the first year, Okafor is able to prove that he can return to his prior form.

Luol Deng | SF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Cleveland Cavaliers

2013-14 Salary: $14.2 million | Suggested AAV: $7.5 million/year, three years, team option on third year

There will be a bidding war for Deng among several teams vying for his services, including his former team, Chicago. I still maintain my skeptical assessment of Deng's long-term effectiveness, and his performance in Cleveland thus far hasn't inspired confidence that he can provide All-Star level production going forward.

Spencer Hawes | C | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Cleveland Cavaliers

2013-14 Salary: $6.6 million | Suggested AAV: $7.4 million/year, three years

Hawes maximized his time in Philadelphia and has a chance to continue to do the same in Cleveland as they make their playoff push. He's in rare company as a true stretch big who shoots better than 37.5 percent from beyond the arc (minimum two attempts per game) and posts a DREB% greater than 15 percent, a position that's becoming more important as spacing becomes paramount.

Channing Frye | PF/C | PO | 2013-14 Team: Phoenix Suns

2013-14 Salary: $6.4 million | Suggested AAV: $7.4 million/year, three years

When Frye started the season, no one could have predicted that opting out of the last year of his deal would even be considered; after all, he was coming off missing the entire 2012-13 season with a heart condition. Instead, Frye has been a major contributing factor for Phoenix's renaissance as an elite 3-point shooter who also has developed into an underrated post and team defender. Frye is also in the "stretch big" club with Hawes.

Ed Davis | PF | RFA | 2013-14 Team: Memphis Grizzlies

2013-14 Salary: $3.2 million | Suggested AAV: $5.5 million/year, three years

Davis' production has been encouraging: an efficient scorer around the rim (almost 68 FG% at the rim), an above-average shooter in midrange and an excellent rebounder. He hasn't had the minutes to post the type of gaudy numbers that can drive up his market value, so there might be an opportunity to lock him into a value deal.

Trevor Ariza | SF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Washington Wizards

2013-14 Salary: $7.7 million | Suggested AAV: $5.5 million/year, three years

Ariza went from being an invaluable piece in a championship team as an early 3-and-D player, to an overpaid player with an inflated self-opinion, to back to fulfilling the role he should have never left behind. One of the best corner 3-point shooters in the league (44 percent corners 3's), Ariza should be in demand for contending teams looking to upgrade their perimeter defense without sacrificing spacing. A three-year deal worth $16.5 million represents full midlevel exception.

Evan Turner | SF | RFA | 2013-14 Team: Indiana Pacers

2013-14 Salary: $6.7 million | Suggested AAV: $5.5 million/year, three years

Turner proved he could rack up raw per-game stats in Philly's uptempo offense with little repercussion on the defensive end. Now he has to prove he can subjugate his game to a team with something on the line other than lottery balls. If he struggles to assimilate within the Pacers' concept, his value can take a serious hit.

Shawn Marion | SF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Dallas Mavericks

2013-14 Salary: $9.3 million | Suggested AAV: $5.4 million/year, two years, player option on second year

Marion's defensive versatility and ability to manufacture scoring opportunities without having plays run for him can be a useful addition to a contending team. He's getting up there in age, so anything longer than a two-year deal would probably be too long a commitment.

Paul Pierce | SF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Brooklyn Nets

2013-14 Salary: $15.3 million | Suggested AAV: $5.4 million/year, two years, player option on second year

Another player in mercenary mode, Pierce has lost a step since last year and isn't shooting as well, but he's still a savvy scorer and an underrated playmaker. He can't be one of your top 3 scorers anymore, but he can be an asset off the bench for a team looking to make the next step.

Thabo Sefolosha | SG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: OKC Thunder

2013-14 Salary: $3.9 million | Suggested AAV: $5.0 million/year, three years, partial guarantee on third year

Oklahoma City's resident 3-and-D guy hasn't matched the 3P% levels of the last two years, but he's been automatic from the left corner (41 percent corner 3's) and has shot better than 38 percent on above the break 3-pointers over the last two months. Partially guaranteeing the final year of the deal gives the team some flexibility should he start to experience some slippage.

Avery Bradley | PG/SG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Boston Celtics

2013-14 Salary: $2.5 million | Suggested AAV: $4.5 million/year, three years

Bradley is one of the NBA's premier backcourt defensive players, but he poses a bit of an offensive dilemma in that he lacks the playmaking creativity to play point guard and isn't a reliable enough shooter to play off ball. A comparable would be Tony Allen's four-year, $20 million deal, but Bradley's smaller size doesn't give him as much versatility defensively as Allen.

Mario Chalmers | PG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Miami Heat

2013-14 Salary: $4.0 million | Suggested AAV: $4.5 million/year, two years

He's been the butt of many jokes over the years, but he has been the perfect complement for the Heat as a good defender, reliable 3-point shooter and fearless competitor. He's doing a better job this year of being aggressive offensively and creating off the dribble. A two-year, $9 million deal for Chalmers is appropriate for a third-rotation guard role.

Patty Mills | PG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: San Antonio Spurs

2013-14 Salary: $1.3 million | Suggested AAV: $4.0 million/year, two years

In what has become a recurring theme with the Spurs, a player has stepped up during the absence of another and has been individually productive while maintaining team performance. Mills has always been a terrific shooter (career 3P% just under 40 percent), but he's improved at playmaking, particularly out of pick and roll, even though the numbers might not necessarily bear out.

Andrei Kirilenko | SF | PO | 2013-14 Team: Brooklyn Nets

2013-14 Salary: $3.2 million | Suggested AAV: $3.5 million/year, three years, partial guarantee on third year

While injuries kept Kirilenko sidelined for much of the start of the season, and his stats have been pedestrian at best, his return to the floor played a major role in the Nets' turnaround this calendar year, and his on/off rating (plus-2.4 Net Rating on versus minus-3.5 off court) is indicative of his impact. Still, his age and low traditional averages take away much of any leverage he'll have in free agency.

Steve Blake | PG | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Golden State Warriors

2013-14 Salary: $4.0 million | Suggested AAV: $3.3 million/year, two years

Blake's trade to Golden State gives him the opportunity that wasn't afforded to former teammate Gasol: to play meaningful minutes down the stretch and perhaps in the playoffs, a golden opportunity to play up his value. He's the sort of steady hand and good shooter that any team could use, and at $3.3 million AAV, he can be had via taxpayer midlevel exception,

P.J. Tucker | SF | UFA | 2013-14 Team: Phoenix Suns

2013-14 Salary: $884,293 | Suggested AAV: $3.0 million/year, three years, non-guaranteed third year

Another pleasant surprise for the Phoenix Suns this season has been Tucker's development of a corner 3-point shot -- he's hitting 39 percent on the year. He's a tough perimeter defender and has also been a boost on the boards.


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#364 » by SunsFanSSOL » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:10 am

Rudy at 3 years 27 million would be incredible.
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Post#365 » by Revived » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:25 am

I really hope we don't pass on signing Jimmer.

We don't have a healthy PG who can shoot the ball on the roster right now. And our offense is absolute crap without a shooter at PG.

Jimmer fits perfectly. It makes very little sense to not sign him.
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Post#366 » by SunsFanSSOL » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:35 am

SF88 wrote:I really hope we don't pass on signing Jimmer.

We don't have a healthy PG who can shoot the ball on the roster right now. And our offense is absolute crap without a shooter at PG.

Jimmer fits perfectly. It makes very little sense to not sign him.


Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.
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Post#367 » by Revived » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:46 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
SF88 wrote:I really hope we don't pass on signing Jimmer.

We don't have a healthy PG who can shoot the ball on the roster right now. And our offense is absolute crap without a shooter at PG.

Jimmer fits perfectly. It makes very little sense to not sign him.


Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.

It wouldn't mess up the chemistry, it would just fill a hole. Jimmer can do what Barbosa was supposed to do.

Plus we need healthy point guards right now, messing up chemistry or not.
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Post#368 » by SunsFanSSOL » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:11 am

SF88 wrote:
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SF88 wrote:I really hope we don't pass on signing Jimmer.

We don't have a healthy PG who can shoot the ball on the roster right now. And our offense is absolute crap without a shooter at PG.

Jimmer fits perfectly. It makes very little sense to not sign him.


Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.

It wouldn't mess up the chemistry, it would just fill a hole. Jimmer can do what Barbosa was supposed to do.

Plus we need healthy point guards right now, messing up chemistry or not.


I agree, I wouldn't mind getting him, but I know the Suns aren't going to want him. It might discourage Ish and Barbosa that their minutes are getting cut.
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Post#369 » by Revived » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:26 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
SF88 wrote:
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Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.

It wouldn't mess up the chemistry, it would just fill a hole. Jimmer can do what Barbosa was supposed to do.

Plus we need healthy point guards right now, messing up chemistry or not.


I agree, I wouldn't mind getting him, but I know the Suns aren't going to want him. It might discourage Ish and Barbosa that their minutes are getting cut.

I'd like us to cut Barbosa to get Jimmer (need to cut someone to open roster space for him).

I don't think LB will be fully healed and playing like his normal self before the season's over.
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Post#370 » by Gorilla Warfare » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:13 am

Jimmer is gonna go to the Bulls.
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Post#371 » by Revived » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:58 am

It's a shame cause we are such a better fit for him than Chicago.
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Post#372 » by sunsbum » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:47 am

Barbosa is done, I realize that he has a place in most suns fans hearts but he is really not that good. At this point Archie is more of a positive than barbs is.
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Post#373 » by Ring_Wanted » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:49 pm

There are some crazy figures in that article.
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Post#374 » by Revived » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:56 am

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Jimmer Fredette will sign with Chicago Bulls

Damn, we missed out :(
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Post#375 » by Cutter » Sat Mar 1, 2014 3:57 pm

SF88 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
SF88 wrote:I really hope we don't pass on signing Jimmer.

We don't have a healthy PG who can shoot the ball on the roster right now. And our offense is absolute crap without a shooter at PG.

Jimmer fits perfectly. It makes very little sense to not sign him.


Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.

It wouldn't mess up the chemistry, it would just fill a hole. Jimmer can do what Barbosa was supposed to do.

Plus we need healthy point guards right now, messing up chemistry or not.

One thing Barbosa is supposed to do is regularly penetrate around the basket and score at the rim or dish to shooters on the perimeter if when they don't have a shot. I havent watched Jimmer very much, but he doesn't seem the penetrate and dish type of guard our system needs.
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Post#376 » by Revived » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:04 pm

Cutter wrote:
SF88 wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Suns don't want to mess up the chemistry.

It wouldn't mess up the chemistry, it would just fill a hole. Jimmer can do what Barbosa was supposed to do.

Plus we need healthy point guards right now, messing up chemistry or not.

One thing Barbosa is supposed to do is regularly penetrate around the basket and score at the rim or dish to shooters on the perimeter if when they don't have a shot. I havent watched Jimmer very much, but he doesn't seem the penetrate and dish type of guard our system needs.

Good point. But honestly, I haven't seen Barbosa do much of that this season either. And by looks of last night, looks like he may be out of the rotation.

Jimmer has 0 playmaking skills, but he could have been a deadly shooter if we paired him with a PG when he's on the floor like Dragic or Ish.
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Post#377 » by Ring_Wanted » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:26 pm

Barbosa is injuried with an sprained toe. He is playing almost 20mpg, so I have a hard time seeing him out of the rotation when he comes back, at least while Bledsoe is out. By the way, he does drive and kick. And not turning the ball over a lot, surprisingly.
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Post#378 » by Revived » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:34 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote:Barbosa is injuried with an sprained toe. He is playing almost 20mpg, so I have a hard time seeing him out of the rotation when he comes back, at least while Bledsoe is out. By the way, he does drive and kick. And not turning the ball over a lot, surprisingly.

He's no longer injured. Coro reported before the game yesterday that he's fine now and ready to go.
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Post#379 » by gaspar » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:37 pm

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Post#380 » by csavage658 » Sat Mar 1, 2014 6:37 pm

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