Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

Post #301 » by **montestewart** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 7:25 pm

TGW wrote:Grunfail is going to get extended, and so is Whitman. Might as well accept it now.

A clock stuck on 11:59 is right twice a day. Maybe it'll help the Wizards on a West Coast trip somewhere down the line.

wizardry · Post #302 » by **wizardry** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 10:39 pm

Grunfeld fired. No you fired. Give me your couch potato GM card. You dont deserve it. Dumped Maynor and 2 picks to the 76ers for nothing to pick up a 40 year old who just got outplayed by the worst player in the league. :rockon:

Post #303 » by **montestewart** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 10:48 pm

wizardry wrote::lol: Grunfeld fired. No you fired. Give me your couch potato GM card. You dont deserve it. Dumped Maynor and 2 picks to the 76ers for nothing to pick up a 40 year old who just got outplayed by the worst player in the league.

Go do your homework dencil pick

leswizards · Post #304 » by **leswizards** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 10:59 pm

wizardry wrote:...Maynor ... the worst player in the league.

I am glad you have come to recognize what everyone has been posting about Maynor has some truth to it. There maybe hope for you after all.

ozthegandp · Post #305 » by **ozthegandp** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 1:52 am

Maybe resigning grunfeld wouldn't be such a bad thing. I mean it could be worse. We could be the pistons, about to replace joe dumars with Isaiah Thomas. LMAO at pistons.

mhd · Post #306 » by **mhd** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 1:54 am

ozthegandp wrote:Maybe resigning grunfeld wouldn't be such a bad thing. I mean it could be worse. We could be the pistons, about to replace joe dumars with Isaiah Thomas. LMAO at pistons.

Isiah has always had a good eye of talent. I think he'd be a much better gm in a market not dictated by James Dolan.

ozthegandp · Post #307 » by **ozthegandp** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 1:56 am

are we talking about the same Isaiah Thomas? The guy who traded the picks that became Lamarcus aldrige and Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry (who at the time had a known heart defect, and wouldn't get the tests before the trade to see how serious it was and also had a massive contract)

hands11 · Post #308 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 2:06 am

leswizards wrote:
hands11 wrote:If you want to know why the Bullet/Wizards had been a dysfunctional franchise for so long, look no further. But it all started with Abe.

Your history is far too kind to John Nash and Jim Lyman. John Nash was an awful GM, and Jim Lyman was an awful coach.

You are also too critical of Wes as a coach. Despite having almost no talent, he had teams that constantly competed. Charles Jones was THE ONLY AVAILABE CENTER for the Bullets for a large part of Wes' coaching career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/

Nash was GM 1990–1996. Unseld then took over for him as GM.

Wes had more talent on those teams then you remember. Jeff Malone and Bernard King.

And when Nash took over the team had no good picks. Traded away. Once he finally tanked to get good picks he got J Howard and R Wallace. Nash did what needed done. He rebuilt the team.

Not sure of your age but I lived though all of this. Not just something I'm reading afterward.

1990 Nash got Greg Foster (played 12 years) with the 38 and AJ Englsh at 40. Not bad picks at all.
1991 LaBradford Smith at 19 was about all there was. Weak draft after the top picks.
1992 Tom Gugliotta at 6 was a great pick and so was Brent Price at 25. Real nice draft.
1993 Calbert Cheaney at 6 was average pick. Another weak draft but he got Gheorghe Muresan at 33
1994 Juwan Howard at 5 and Jim McIlvaine at 35 (7 yrs).. a solid draft. Also got Webber.
1995 Rasheed Wallace at 4 and Terrence Rencher at 33 who was traded away.

Webber was had for an often injured Tom Gugliotta and 1996 ( we had two), 1998 and 2000 firsts

That was Nash's last draft. Wizard then traded the 12th pick in the next draft for and old Mark Price.

The 13th pick in that draft was KOBE BRYANT :lol:

The 15th pick... STEVE NASH :lol:

The 17th pick.. Jermaine ONeal
The 20th pick ..Zydrunas Ilgauskas
The 24th pick. Derek Fisher

That was a sick draft. Maybe the best ever. And we traded away our pick for an old Mark Price :lol:

I remember screaming at my radio. That draft also had AI, Camby, Stephon Marbury, Ray Allen, Predrag Stojakovic. Amazing draft.

Oh, and it only get better from there. We traded away

http://articles.philly.com/1996-07-16/s ... ed-wallace

We will have to agree to disagree. Nash was not a bad GM. He reloaded the team. Wes was a terrible coach. And an even worse GM. He decimated the team Nash has assembled. Only benefit of Wes coaching was Nash getting enough top picks to rebuild the team.

But like I laid out. Once the team was rebuilt, Abe stepped in like he we always do and screwed it up. Rinse. Repeat.

Jay81 · Post #309 » by **Jay81** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 2:46 am

Didn't ernie try trading ariza for Caron butler last season?..

hands11 · Post #310 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 3:16 am

Jay81 wrote:Didn't ernie try trading ariza for Caron butler last season?..

That was a rumor. Not sure how true or not. But it didn't happen.

But on that note. TONS of poster here suggested TONS of trades for Trevor A.

And lots and lots of Amazingly sucky Trevor A posts. Would be fun to dig those up.

leswizards · Post #311 » by **leswizards** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 7:34 am

hands11 wrote:Wizard then traded the 12th pick in the next draft for and old Mark Price.

The 13th pick in that draft was KOBE BRYANT
The 15th pick... STEVE NASH
The 17th pick.. Jermaine ONeal
The 20th pick ..Zydrunas Ilgauskas
The 24th pick. Derek Fisher

That was a sick draft. Maybe the best ever. And we traded away our pick for an old Mark Price

Thank you for proving my point. John Nash is the one who traded away the pick for Mark Price.

I lived through the history as well, and some of the things you write are true. But as in the Mark Price case some of your history is wrong. I lived through the history and not going to redebate it. You are far too hard on Wes Unseld tenure as a coach, and are far too easy on John Nash.

hands11 · Post #312 » by **hands11** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 11:00 pm

leswizards wrote:
hands11 wrote:Wizard then traded the 12th pick in the next draft for and old Mark Price.

The 13th pick in that draft was KOBE BRYANT
The 15th pick... STEVE NASH
The 17th pick.. Jermaine ONeal
The 20th pick ..Zydrunas Ilgauskas
The 24th pick. Derek Fisher

That was a sick draft. Maybe the best ever. And we traded away our pick for an old Mark Price

Thank you for proving my point. John Nash is the one who traded away the pick for Mark Price.

I lived through the history as well, and some of the things you write are true. But as in the Mark Price case some of your history is wrong. I lived through the history and not going to redebate it. You are far too hard on Wes Unseld tenure as a coach, and are far too easy on John Nash.

Damn .. that pick did get moved while Nash was still GM... at least Cleveland only got Vitaly Potapenko with it.
A win now move. Trade pick, get older vet player. We saw that played out again with the Curry draft.

I remembered not liking the move. We already had Brent. And didn't we get Pack that year. They just needed to be patient and keep building the way they had been.

dobrojim · Post #313 » by **dobrojim** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 7:57 pm

just saw on WT that Phil Jax wants a front office job.
Make it so Ted. We'd suddenly be much more relevant.

on a related note - I visited the renewal suite last night (Mem) game and
got into a spirited discussion with one of the acct reps. My bottom line point
was that it was completely unfair for the Wizards to expect their season ticket
holders to re-new until we had the information about whether EG would be renewed.
A few other related topics came up but that was the gist of it.

Sluggerface · Post #314 » by **Sluggerface** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 9:06 pm

dobrojim wrote:just saw on WT that Phil Jax wants a front office job.
Make it so Ted. We'd suddenly be much more relevant.

on a related note - I visited the renewal suite last night (Mem) game and
got into a spirited discussion with one of the acct reps. My bottom line point
was that it was completely unfair for the Wizards to expect their season ticket
holders to re-new until we had the information about whether EG would be renewed.
A few other related topics came up but that was the gist of it.

There's no way Ted hires a personality that is bigger than he is. He's too vain.

daSwami · Post #315 » by **daSwami** » Tue Mar 4, 2014 11:41 pm

dobrojim wrote:just saw on WT that Phil Jax wants a front office job.
Make it so Ted. We'd suddenly be much more relevant.

on a related note - I visited the renewal suite last night (Mem) game and
got into a spirited discussion with one of the acct reps. My bottom line point
was that it was completely unfair for the Wizards to expect their season ticket
holders to re-new until we had the information about whether EG would be renewed.
A few other related topics came up but that was the gist of it.

That was my thought, too. PJax would obvs be better than EG, but I'm not sure he'd be a great GM. He has a soft spot for "quirky" players, and this franchise was a case study in the dangers of excessive quirkery [sic].

Post #316 » by **montestewart** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:30 am

daSwami wrote:
dobrojim wrote:just saw on WT that Phil Jax wants a front office job.
Make it so Ted. We'd suddenly be much more relevant.

on a related note - I visited the renewal suite last night (Mem) game and
got into a spirited discussion with one of the acct reps. My bottom line point
was that it was completely unfair for the Wizards to expect their season ticket
holders to re-new until we had the information about whether EG would be renewed.
A few other related topics came up but that was the gist of it.

That was my thought, too. PJax would obvs be better than EG, but I'm not sure he'd be a great GM. He has a soft spot for "quirky" players, and this franchise was a case study in the dangers of excessive quirkery [sic].

Some do better than others with quirky. I know Wall the player would be an attraction, but other than that, I can't see him coming here. Too many red flags.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #317 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:56 am

Phil has at various times dabbled in politics and political causes.

Let him come here, be a part time lobbyist for national pot legalization legislation and GM the Wiz part time.

Heck, he'll do better than EG by amalgamating the mock draft picks and choosing the consensus choice. Never make a trade. Read our board periodically and take CCJ and Kevin's advice.

hands11 · Post #318 » by **hands11** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 3:36 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Phil has at various times dabbled in politics and political causes.

Let him come here, be a part time lobbyist for national pot legalization legislation and GM the Wiz part time.

Heck, he'll do better than EG by amalgamating the mock draft picks and choosing the consensus choice. Never make a trade. Read our board periodically and take CCJ and Kevin's advice.

Man, Sheed, Webber and Dray would be so jealous.

I wonder if Shaq every smoked trees with the Zen Master.

The Big Aristotle

I think that puts that question to rest. :lol:

closg00 · Post #319 » by **closg00** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:19 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Phil has at various times dabbled in politics and political causes.

Let him come here, be a part time lobbyist for national pot legalization legislation and GM the Wiz part time.

Heck, he'll do better than EG by amalgamating the mock draft picks and choosing the consensus choice. Never make a trade. Read our board periodically and take CCJ and Kevin's advice.

When Ernie's last contract was up for renewal, Ted refused to take calls from potential GM candidates, what does that tell you? Besides, Phil is an LA guy, he probably stays on the West Coast.

verbal8 · Post #320 » by **verbal8** » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:54 pm

closg00 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Phil has at various times dabbled in politics and political causes.

Let him come here, be a part time lobbyist for national pot legalization legislation and GM the Wiz part time.

Heck, he'll do better than EG by amalgamating the mock draft picks and choosing the consensus choice. Never make a trade. Read our board periodically and take CCJ and Kevin's advice.

When Ernie's last contract was up for renewal, Ted refused to take calls from potential GM candidates, what does that tell you? Besides, Phil is an LA guy, he probably stays on the West Coast.

Where though?

It will take an open team president or GM role and some talent to interest him.

The Lakers are a disaster. Sacramento he was linked to a rival ownership group. There is no way that Phoenix, Golden State, Portland or the Clippers fire their GMs. I could see him being GM or team president if a team is moved to Seattle.

The only potential matches in the Western Conference would be Denver or New Orleans. I think the Wizards have to be pretty high on the list of Eastern Conference options. The GMs of the good teams aren't going anywhere. Orlando, Philly and Boston are deliberately bad. Milwaukee does have some pieces, but they don't have a ton of talent overall. I really think it would come down to the Knicks, Bucks and Wizards from the Eastern Conference.

IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?