2014 College/Draft Prospects Thread II

Post #181 » by **JDR720** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 4:45 pm

Vonleh has 3pt range, can block shots, rebound and he is tall (6'10") and has a big wingspan (7-4) so we could use him at C or PF and he would do fine, i think he paired with someone like K.J. McDaniels would be a solid draft

Eoghan · Post #182 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 5:23 pm

catch20two wrote:I just found out that Randle's wingspan is only 6-10.

I don't know if that ZBo comp can stick since Zbo has a 7-4 wingspan.

It's a bad comparison to begin with. Randle is way more athletic and has a face up game. Z-Bo was a fat kid that developed into a great paint banger. I'm not worried about Randle much at all, athleticism translates. He is playing way better than Drummond did and people said the same garbage. There's no spacing in the college game so bigs with really athletic games don't look as good. College is only good for showcasing guards and shooting wings, it's a glorified D-league these days.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #183 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 6:22 pm

The one thing about Randle is that he can also play out on the wing. Calipari doesn't show it because they are loaded out there so they just have him bang around down low. When he can showcase the fact he can't get out on the wing, hit a midrange shot and take guys off the dribble with his strength he will be even more valued.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #184 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sun Mar 2, 2014 6:27 pm

JDR720 wrote:Vonleh has 3pt range, can block shots, rebound and he is tall (6'10") and has a big wingspan (7-4) so we could use him at C or PF and he would do fine, i think he paired with someone like K.J. McDaniels would be a solid draft

I hope we don't get McDaniels, because as a Clemson fan I hope he stays for our sake and his. He will be picked in that range where his probability of getting a second contract will be small compared to what it could be next year.

DY_nasty · Post #185 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 3:23 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEkwbeDno0

This is that video I was talking about that sort of summed up why I want no part of McDermott.

mrknowitall215 · Post #186 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 3:53 am

DY_nasty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEkwbeDno0

This is that video I was talking about that sort of summed up why I want no part of McDermott.

It's not so bad to be a Wally Szczerbiak/Matt Harpring hybrid type of player. They were both productive, and played for winning teams. Doug McDermott should be a lottery pick, but I'm unsure if Charlotte should take him, for I believe that they need a SG more than anything

Eoghan · Post #187 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:23 am

DY_nasty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEkwbeDno0

This is that video I was talking about that sort of summed up why I want no part of McDermott.

Even Al Jefferson has had bad games before. Nobody is betting on this guy to become Kevin Love or Glen Rice, we just need a boost of skills like shooting and dude can definitely shoot.

DY_nasty · Post #188 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:32 am

BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEkwbeDno0

This is that video I was talking about that sort of summed up why I want no part of McDermott.

Even Al Jefferson has had bad games before. Nobody is betting on this guy to become Kevin Love or Glen Rice, we just need a boost of skills like shooting and dude can definitely shoot.

We need shot creators more than spot up shooters though. I have zero faith that he can create a shot against NBA defenders. The guy is entirely right in saying that he'd need a system catered to him at the NBA level to be used the same way that he is in the NCAA. I like McDermott - but definitely not as a lottery pick.

Post #189 » by **JDR720** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 4:59 am

Doug could be the SF version of Kyle Korver or Klay Thompson or he could be a better Steve Novak, the ceiling is high and the floor is low, i think he'll be a slightly better Klay Thompson because he is bigger and a more versatile scorer

DY_nasty · Post #190 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 5:06 am

JDR720 wrote:Doug could be the SF version of Kyle Korver or Klay Thompson or he could be a better Steve Novak, the ceiling is high and the floor is low, i think he'll be a slightly better Klay Thompson because he is bigger and a more versatile scorer

He doesn't have anything close to Klay's athleticism. Like nothing even resembling it all.

I've tried to picture him as a Korver but he'd really need to learn how to work off ball around the perimeter against guys twice as fast as him. That's nothing easy in the NBA. Reddick was a better shooter and faster and he didn't pick it up until his fourth year in the league really.

Eoghan · Post #191 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 5:29 am

DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIEkwbeDno0

This is that video I was talking about that sort of summed up why I want no part of McDermott.

Even Al Jefferson has had bad games before. Nobody is betting on this guy to become Kevin Love or Glen Rice, we just need a boost of skills like shooting and dude can definitely shoot.

We need shot creators more than spot up shooters though. I have zero faith that he can create a shot against NBA defenders. The guy is entirely right in saying that he'd need a system catered to him at the NBA level to be used the same way that he is in the NCAA. I like McDermott - but definitely not as a lottery pick.

How do we need more shot creators than shooters? Kemba can create his own shot, Al can definitely create his own shot, Hendo can create an ill-advised midrange fadeaway all day. We have zero shooters until Tolliver or Neal check into the game. We need a crafty white guy running off screens and spotting up for Al when he gets doubled.

Now if you want a guy that can create his own shot and knock them down, we're going to need a much higher pick than where we're heading to give us a decent chance at that kind of player.

DY_nasty · Post #192 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 5:31 am

BrotherDave wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Even Al Jefferson has had bad games before. Nobody is betting on this guy to become Kevin Love or Glen Rice, we just need a boost of skills like shooting and dude can definitely shoot.

We need shot creators more than spot up shooters though. I have zero faith that he can create a shot against NBA defenders. The guy is entirely right in saying that he'd need a system catered to him at the NBA level to be used the same way that he is in the NCAA. I like McDermott - but definitely not as a lottery pick.

How do we need more shot creators than shooters? Kemba can create his own shot, Al can definitely create his own shot, Hendo can create an ill-advised midrange fadeaway all day. We have zero shooters until Tolliver or Neal check into the game. We need a crafty white guy running off screens and spotting up for Al when he gets doubled.

Now if you want a guy that can create his own shot and knock them down, we're going to need a much higher pick than where we're heading to give us a decent chance at that kind of player.

I can't argue with any of that :lol:

HornetJail · Post #193 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:11 am

McDermott is going to be one of the best catch-and-shoot players in the league as a rookie. I don't care if he can create his own shot. Kemba and Al can do enough creating for themselves, and Kemba and McBob can do it for others as well. If McDermott can make shots like Klay Thompson, he's a top 10 pick IMO.

No-Man · Post #194 » by **No-Man** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:30 pm

Vonleh is a stupid pick for this team having drafted Zeller a year ago.
Vonleh is not going to be able to play anything but PF, his reach is awful for a post player, he is 6'10 with a 7'4 wingspan but he is all neck, his shoulders are lower than a typical 6'10 guy.

No-Man · Post #195 » by **No-Man** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:35 pm

I think you can easily get Minnesota, Memphis, picks, and maybe Orlando and Cleveland's for Zeller and Portland's pick.
That's a late lotto one, my best guess i getting nº12.

If you get Vonleh or Randle with Detroit's pick, I'd do something like that.

mrknowitall215 · Post #196 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:49 pm

Fischella wrote:Vonleh is a stupid pick for this team having drafted Zeller a year ago.
Vonleh is not going to be able to play anything but PF, his reach is awful for a post player, he is 6'10 with a 7'4 wingspan but he is all neck, his shoulders are lower than a typical 6'10 guy.

Vonleh might turn out to be a better player than Zeller though. I'm actually warming up to the idea of Cho drafting Vonleh looking beyond the surface. Vonleh is a legitimate stretch 4 offensively that can protect the rim defensively. Those type of players don't grow on trees

gehenherzog · Post #197 » by **gehenherzog** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 6:56 pm

I'll take McDermott, all day, everyday

Post #198 » by **JDR720** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 9:01 pm

Embiid has back problems already.....might take him off my "want list" if it doesn't get better

Post #199 » by **JDR720** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:15 pm

Im starting to like Vonleh also, he is a two way player that can shoot with range and defend the paint he is big enough to play both C and PF and he is statistically the best rebounder in the NCAA, he might be a better rebounding/worse shot blocking Serge Ibaka

mrknowitall215 · Post #200 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Mar 3, 2014 10:23 pm

JDR720 wrote:Im starting to like Vonleh also, he is a two way player that can shoot with range and defend the paint he is big enough to play both C and PF and he is statistically the best rebounder in the NCAA, he might be a better rebounding/worse shot blocking Serge Ibaka

Vonleh remind me of Chris Bosh, but so does Serge Ibaka to a certain extent, so that's a good comparison. However, I don't think Vonleh will be a elite shot blocker, just solid