2nd Team Lineup Suggestion/MKG

[BobsBuddy]

MKG is currently shooting .111 from the 3pt line. and .680 from FT line. Work on his freethrows with the correct shooting style and then let him only concentrate on his rebounding and scoring from within the paint. Why not let him play the 4 spot on offense and the 3 spot on defense with the second team? At 6'9" try Tolliver at 4 on defense only. Also Zellar was a center when at Indiana. I think he can play it at this level even though people say his arms are too short and he doesn't weigh enough. He has already gained muscle and at 7' can post up 2nd team centers. Just try this lineup with some pick and rolls.and kickouts to GN/AT.. I think you will be pleased.
Ridhour
Neal
Tolliver
MKG
Zellar

To rest Mkg move Zellar to 4 and bring in BIZ

[DY_nasty]

We don't play MKG at the 4 because we don't want him to go braindead like Gerald Wallace.

Zeller has no business playing center at this point in time. 2nd team centers in the NBA are goons. He'd get snapped in half.

We got some good young players. There's really no rush.

[BobsBuddy]

We have 2 Stretch PF since we traded Adrien,Who now is getting some mpg with the Bucks
We need someone else besides Jefferson to get offensive boards and put backs. Mkg does that best on this team. He can still guard a 2-3 on defense.

As for Zellar,he has put on some muscle ansd can post up as well as guard the paint defensively. Tolliver is big enough to guard a 4 on defense also.

[DY_nasty]

We have 2 Stretch PF since we traded Adrien,Who now is getting some mpg with the Bucks
We need someone else besides Jefferson to get offensive boards and put backs. Mkg does that best on this team. He can still guard a 2-3 on defense.

As for Zellar,he has put on some muscle ansd can post up as well as guard the paint defensively. Tolliver is big enough to guard a 4 on defense also.

Adrien never mattered and was used more as a training tool for Biyombo more than anything else. Him getting PT on the Bucks is just a clear sign that they indeed have lacked a space eater inside immensely.

We literally gameplan away from staying back for offensive boards. The only person on the entire team with a greenlight to stay back is MKG - because he's one of our best rebounders and has the speed to get back on defense consistently. Everyone else is treated with a 'get it if its there' philosophy.

We do not have two stretch PFs. Zeller is one of the worst shooters from 18 in the entire league. Al can make the shot, but he's rarely in position to take the shot as him putting that up is usually the mark of a blown play or him losing the positioning battle down low. McRoberts is, sure. Tolliver is used as and is treated like a SF offensively.

Zeller has not put on muscle. You don't add the kind of weight that he needs during the season. y u do dis

Tolliver gets abused by bigger PFs and is only able to guard the PFs that make their bread and butter on playing away from the paint and staying mobile.

[HornetJail]

We have 2 Stretch PF since we traded Adrien,Who now is getting some mpg with the Bucks
We need someone else besides Jefferson to get offensive boards and put backs. Mkg does that best on this team. He can still guard a 2-3 on defense.

As for Zellar,he has put on some muscle ansd can post up as well as guard the paint defensively. Tolliver is big enough to guard a 4 on defense also.

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[Tupik]

We have 2 Stretch PF since we traded Adrien,Who now is getting some mpg with the Bucks
We need someone else besides Jefferson to get offensive boards and put backs. Mkg does that best on this team. He can still guard a 2-3 on defense.

As for Zellar,he has put on some muscle ansd can post up as well as guard the paint defensively. Tolliver is big enough to guard a 4 on defense also.

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Nah it has to be someone else using his account.

[BobsBuddy]

On quick replies I don't use emotioncons...Fats lets lock this one down and delete it...Nobody is going to agree with me that MKG is a 4 in a 3s body. Remember Rodman? Could not shoot 'but wow could he rebound.

[HornetJail]

On quick replies I don't use emotioncons...Fats lets lock this one down and delete it...Nobody is going to agree with me that MKG is a 4 in a 3s body. Remember Rodman? Could not shoot 'but wow could he rebound.

I don't disagree, but I'm far from agreeing as well. MKG would need to bulk up and get to 255-260 if he wanted to bang down low at 6'7. He's not ever going to be Dennis Rodman. He has a lot of good qualities for a 3, just doesn't have the jumper yet. He's 20, he'll pick it up soon.

[fatlever]

good of place as any for this discussion...

i am looking at two man combinations that have played more than 200 minutes together this season, mainly to prove that henderson and MKG shouldnt play many minutes together on offense. as expected they are a mess when paired together with an ORTG of 96.3. however, defensively they are stout with a DRTG of 95.7. MKG and kemba much any better with an OTRG of 96.9.

its hard to pair MKG with either biyombo or zeller on the floor as well. those combinations are actually worse. ORTG of 86.5 with MKG is paired with biz and ORTG of 90.4 when MKG is paired with zeller. (both have DTRGs more than 10 points higher).

so it seems that MKG needs to stay on the floor with jefferson at the very least (99.1 when together). al helps MKG's offense while MKG helps Jefferson's defense. however, jefferson and tolliver have the second highest ORTG at 106.5 (1st is mcroberts and tolliver at 107.3 - but that pairing is a little worse defensively). MKG at least has a fighting chance when he is with jefferson though, as compared to playing with biz which is a trainwreck.

so that would mean that its hendo that needs to shift to playing more with the 2nd team, not MKG. right? not so quick, henderson and zeller also form a terrible duo with an ORTG of 90.8 and a DRTG of 105.9. wow. pretty much zeller and anyone is a horrible matchup. (granted this data is for the entire year and zeller has been much better lately)

tolliver is listed in 4 of the 5 best duos in terms of net rating (OTRG minus DTRG). kemba and sessions were actually #1.

what did i learn from this? tolliver deserves as many minutes as he can handle. zeller deserves less minutes. don't expect the offense to do anything when MKG is on the floor, but expect the defense to be good enough to break even in most cases if he is paired with kemba, hendo or jefferson. playing MKG with the 2nd team is a bad idea.

my suggestions would be to keep the starters, but separate hendo and MKG as early as possible by bringing in tolliver for hendo and sliding MKG to sg. from that point on, try to keep one of tolliver or neal in the lineup, but at the same time limiting MKG from playing with the 2nd team bigs.

[fatlever]

how does the data change when we limit it to the past 20 games, pairing with 100 minutes together? overall our offense has been much better with all but two pairings above 98 OTRG. (zeller/MKG and zeller/hendo well below 98)

also, tolliver is a superstar for our offense. he dominates the top pairings. 5 of the top 6 offensive pairings include tolliver.

henderson, zeller and MKG litter the bottom 10 offensive pairings. zeller continues to be awful when paired with either MKG or henderson. 5 of the bottom 10 offensive pairings include henderson. same for MKG. 3 of the bottom 10 include zeller (but they are 3 of the worst 4).

defensively biz and mcroberts represent the worst duo. tolliver actually is included in the 3 best defensive duos (paired with CDR, zeller and kemb... go figure)

net ratings... once again, tolliver is the superstar. top 5 pairings all include tolliver, led by kemba/tolliver with a +18pt net rating. at the bottom, the previously mentioned nightmare duos of zeller and MKG and zeller and hendo, with lots of MKG and hendo in other pairings at the bottom.


MORE TOLLIVER, LESS MKG, LESS HENDO.

[fatlever]

3 man lineups over the past 20 games?

well, the two best duos were kemba/tolliver and zeller/tolliver. what happens when you play all 3 together? MAGIC. OTRG 114, DTRG 87.2, net rating of +27. (114 minute sample size, so could be a fluke).

the top 7 three man lineups by net rating include... you guessed it... anthony (the most underrated bobcat ever) tolliver.

oh no... wrinkle in the matrix, the worst trio - biz, mcroberts... and tolliver. i'll chalk that up as a fluke. (only 110 minutes)

only eight 3-man lineups have a net negative rating over the past 20 games. who is featured the most in those?
henderson - 6
jefferson - 4
mcroberts - 4
MKG - 3
tolliver - 2
sessions - 2
biyombo - 1

(i guess there arent any 3 man lineups with zeller and MKG/hendo that have over 100 minutes or surely they would be at the bottom.)

pretty impressive that kemba wasnt in a single 3 man lineup in the bottom eight when the rest of the starters were in at least 3 or more.

MORE TOLLIVER, MORE KEMBA, LESS HENDERSON