ImageImageImageImageImage

Otto Porter

Moderators: nate33, montestewart, LyricalRico

CntOutSmrtCrazy
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,564
And1: 3,596
Joined: Dec 08, 2011

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1161 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:17 am

DCZards wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:

I think you're focusing way too much on minutes and where Otto Porter ranks with other players selected where he was, simply because you believe the selection was a bad one. It's almost as if you're intentionally pretending to lack knowledge of his injury situation, the depth chart, and how Randy Wittman operates just to give life to your bleak outlook on Porter.


Yeah, declaring Porter a bust without taking into account his circumstances is silly. No training camp, no preseason, no playing time. Those things matter.


Been saying this the whole time, kid walked into a loss-loss-loss situation.
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1162 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 6:27 am

I don't think we can afford to keep Ariza.

In an ideal world, next season we'd roll with Webster and he'd get back to the player he was last season and we could spend Ariza's money on a PF like Patrick Patterson to balance out the roster.
AWIZZINGBULLET
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,451
And1: 229
Joined: Apr 08, 2012
       

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1163 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:22 pm

jeffsays wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/440984687687634944[/tweet]

Maybe it means more playing time for Otto?



In an ideal world, this would stop all the "Trade Otto for a young big" noise...

Really believe Porter has the chance to become the most beloved Wizards player since Gilbert Arenas, pre-gun incident of course.
User avatar
J-Ves
Analyst
Posts: 3,066
And1: 1,297
Joined: May 16, 2012
 

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1164 » by J-Ves » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:36 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I don't think we can afford to keep Ariza.

In an ideal world, next season we'd roll with Webster and he'd get back to the player he was last season and we could spend Ariza's money on a PF like Patrick Patterson to balance out the roster.

Yep. I would love to have Ariza back, but this roster needs a stretch 4. Patterson, Marvin Williams and Frye are all free agents and likely could be had for less than Ariza. Any of those guys could be inserted into the starting lineup for better spacing, moving Nene to the bench improving the second unit.

The idea of trading Webster for a stretch 4 is also a possibility, but who's to say we would have a good trading partner? Why would the Bucks trade Illyasova for Webster straight up, for example.
Illmatic21
Inactive user
Inactive user
Posts: 2,950
And1: 554
Joined: Mar 01, 2009

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1165 » by Illmatic21 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 12:39 pm

jeffsays wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/440984687687634944[/tweet]

Maybe it means more playing time for Otto?

Well Wittman isn't going to be here for a long time, so I don't care what he has to say.

Let's face it, he isn't going to all of a sudden start playing Otto. Why would he mess with the rotation this close to the playoffs? His job is on the line, you know.. :roll:
verbal8
General Manager
Posts: 8,354
And1: 1,377
Joined: Jul 20, 2006
Location: Herndon, VA
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1166 » by verbal8 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 1:30 pm

J-Ves wrote:
stevemcqueen1 wrote:I don't think we can afford to keep Ariza.

In an ideal world, next season we'd roll with Webster and he'd get back to the player he was last season and we could spend Ariza's money on a PF like Patrick Patterson to balance out the roster.

Yep. I would love to have Ariza back, but this roster needs a stretch 4. Patterson, Marvin Williams and Frye are all free agents and likely could be had for less than Ariza. Any of those guys could be inserted into the starting lineup for better spacing, moving Nene to the bench improving the second unit.

The idea of trading Webster for a stretch 4 is also a possibility, but who's to say we would have a good trading partner? Why would the Bucks trade Illyasova for Webster straight up, for example.


Because Illyasova has been disappointing and they have little talent on the wing. They already have a bit of a log jam at PF/C and potentially adding a top PF/C prospect will make it worse.
jeffsays
Rookie
Posts: 1,050
And1: 150
Joined: Mar 30, 2013
         

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1167 » by jeffsays » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:04 pm

Illmatic21 wrote:Well Wittman isn't going to be here for a long time, so I don't care what he has to say.

Let's face it, he isn't going to all of a sudden start playing Otto. Why would he mess with the rotation this close to the playoffs? His job is on the line, you know.. :roll:

Because he looks down the bench and sees chris singleton, drew gooden, and al harrington. With Webster out, this could be Otto's chance. Also don't forget that Wittman isn't exactly the best when it comes to rotations. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes it up as he goes along. Plus this is the perfect time for Otto to get some experience before playoffs. Even though he should have been getting 10 minutes per game since he was deemed healthy.
User avatar
FAH1223
RealGM
Posts: 16,354
And1: 7,457
Joined: Nov 01, 2005
Location: Laurel, MD
       

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1168 » by FAH1223 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 5:44 pm

Image
Image
User avatar
Dark Faze
Head Coach
Posts: 6,492
And1: 2,143
Joined: Dec 27, 2008

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1169 » by Dark Faze » Wed Mar 5, 2014 6:52 pm

I'm trying to figure out why we can't try Ariza at the 4.

I mean would he really be worse defensively and on the boards than Ersan?
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1170 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 7:07 pm

Good question. I think it's a strength issue Dark Faze. It just takes a different body and a different type of conditioning.

And some guys don't necessarily look the part either. LeBron looks way better equipped to play the 4 than Carmelo for instance, but he actually gets worn down playing as a legit interior player while Melo holds up fairly well. And a skinny looking big like Joakim Noah or Serge Ibaka would absolutely wear LeBron down.
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1171 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 7:08 pm

I hope Porter breaks out next season because now I really want to call him Ottoman Empire.
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1172 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 7:25 pm

verbal8 wrote:Because Illyasova has been disappointing and they have little talent on the wing. They already have a bit of a log jam at PF/C and potentially adding a top PF/C prospect will make it worse.


Ilyasova for Webster straight up doesn't work. We'd have to include another salary at about 1.5 - 2 million or so.

We're also close to the tax line.

Extending Gortat for ~10 million and Ariza for ~8 million plus adding Ilyasova for ~8 million would have had us well over the tax line and it will have us close to it next year, with only 8 players signed.

Nene = 13
Wall = 13.7
Beal = 4.5
Porter = 4.5
Miller = 4.6
Ilyasova = 7.9

Gortat = ~10

~ 58 million already.

Ariza = ?

You need a legit back up C and another guard.

It's not a bad roster but Ilyasova and Nene will miss time and it's awfully expensive. How much is Ariza going to cost this summer? 8 million +? There aren't really any bargain contracts on that roster.

Ilyasova has underperformed this season. I would want some other piece of compensation to hedge our bets with him if we traded two useful rotation players like Webster + Booker/Seraphin.
verbal8
General Manager
Posts: 8,354
And1: 1,377
Joined: Jul 20, 2006
Location: Herndon, VA
     

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1173 » by verbal8 » Wed Mar 5, 2014 7:44 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:Because Illyasova has been disappointing and they have little talent on the wing. They already have a bit of a log jam at PF/C and potentially adding a top PF/C prospect will make it worse.


Ilyasova for Webster straight up doesn't work. We'd have to include another salary at about 1.5 - 2 million or so.

We could include Miller. MIL would waive him. It would have been really nice to have the LLE to resign him or someone equivalent :(
User avatar
Nivek
Head Coach
Posts: 7,406
And1: 959
Joined: Sep 29, 2010
Contact:
         

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1174 » by Nivek » Wed Mar 5, 2014 8:57 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
verbal8 wrote:Because Illyasova has been disappointing and they have little talent on the wing. They already have a bit of a log jam at PF/C and potentially adding a top PF/C prospect will make it worse.


Ilyasova for Webster straight up doesn't work. We'd have to include another salary at about 1.5 - 2 million or so.

We're also close to the tax line.

Extending Gortat for ~10 million and Ariza for ~8 million plus adding Ilyasova for ~8 million would have had us well over the tax line and it will have us close to it next year, with only 8 players signed.

Nene = 13
Wall = 13.7
Beal = 4.5
Porter = 4.5
Miller = 4.6
Ilyasova = 7.9

Gortat = ~10

~ 58 million already.

Ariza = ?

You need a legit back up C and another guard.

It's not a bad roster but Ilyasova and Nene will miss time and it's awfully expensive. How much is Ariza going to cost this summer? 8 million +? There aren't really any bargain contracts on that roster.

Ilyasova has underperformed this season. I would want some other piece of compensation to hedge our bets with him if we traded two useful rotation players like Webster + Booker/Seraphin.


The luxury tax line is going to be around $75-76 million. The Wizards would still have plenty of room under that line to fill out a roster in the scenario described here.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 35,235
And1: 20,645
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1175 » by dckingsfan » Wed Mar 5, 2014 9:22 pm

Illmatic21 wrote:
jeffsays wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/440984687687634944[/tweet]

Maybe it means more playing time for Otto?

Well Wittman isn't going to be here for a long time, so I don't care what he has to say.

Let's face it, he isn't going to all of a sudden start playing Otto. Why would he mess with the rotation this close to the playoffs? His job is on the line, you know.. :roll:


Injuries :)
User avatar
Rafael122
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 20,851
And1: 3,573
Joined: Oct 11, 2004
       

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1176 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 12:08 am

Something like this could be a blessing in disguise. In a perfect world, I would think the Wizards want to keep all 3 but that's not possible. At first I thought Ariza was the odd man out, but I really think it could be Webster, between the injuries and the reasonable contract, he could be on the move.
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
mhd
General Manager
Posts: 9,726
And1: 1,723
Joined: Mar 25, 2004

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1177 » by mhd » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:13 am

Wished Porter had been more aggressive tonight after 21 minutes of action after a breakout game. 0-1? Come on, show some aggressiveness out there!
deneem4
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,917
And1: 1,263
Joined: Dec 26, 2012

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1178 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:26 am

22 mins tonigh for otto....
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
Illmatic21
Inactive user
Inactive user
Posts: 2,950
And1: 554
Joined: Mar 01, 2009

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1179 » by Illmatic21 » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:37 am

mhd wrote:Wished Porter had been more aggressive tonight after 21 minutes of action after a breakout game. 0-1? Come on, show some aggressiveness out there!

I wouldn't expect consistency out of a rookie who has barely seen any NBA action. Otto is probably still paranoid about getting benched if he screws up.

If he continues to get more consistent minutes he'll feel comfortable showing what he can do. I have no doubt that he is a better NBA player than Chris Singleton right now..
fishercob
RealGM
Posts: 13,922
And1: 1,571
Joined: Apr 25, 2002
Location: Tenleytown, DC

Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1180 » by fishercob » Thu Mar 6, 2014 2:43 am

Illmatic21 wrote:
mhd wrote:Wished Porter had been more aggressive tonight after 21 minutes of action after a breakout game. 0-1? Come on, show some aggressiveness out there!

I wouldn't expect consistency out of a rookie who has barely seen any NBA action. Otto is probably still paranoid about getting benched if he screws up.

If he continues to get more consistent minutes he'll feel comfortable showing what he can do. I have no doubt that he is a better NBA player than Chris Singleton right now..


I wouldn't expect it, but I agree with mhd. I wish he had been more aggressive. If you only shoot once in 21 minutes, you;'re doing something wrong.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way."
— Steve Martin

Return to Washington Wizards