I don't trust this team to tank

[dVs33]

Personally, I don't think any draft Pick will be key to this teams long term success at this point. I mean, what the hell is another pick 8-10 really going to do?

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[joeposh]

I'd like the pick at this point, but I don't think the odds are in our favor. With our luck, even if we did manage to finish 8th, some other team leapfrog us into the top three and have the pick wind up back with the Bobcats.

I'd like the young guys to get that big game feel and exposure. A playoff series against the Pacers or Heat on national TV would leave they hungry, even if they get their asses handed to them. It will also show potential coaches and GMs that there are some quality pieces to work with here, and that with the right guidance and off season moves we could be right back in the mix next year.

[Q00]

Personally, I don't think any draft Pick will be key to this teams long term success at this point. I mean, what the hell is another pick 8-10 really going to do?

It would have to be the #8 pick. A top #8 pick would arguably be our second best asset and open up a lot of options. For example, what could a package of Moose and a top 8 pick net us?

Unfortunately, I agree that we are probably more likely to sneak into the playoffs.

I agree having that pick would be an additional trade asset, but in terms of the caliber of player we would get by keeping the 8th pick, I agree with BadMofo that there just doesn't look to be any stars picking that low in the lotto that will make a huge difference anytime soon. We could probably get a veteran just as good in FA without needing to tank, who is ready to contribute right away like an Ariza, and by making the playoffs it will help attracting those FA this summer.

Even as an 8th seed, potential FAs will look at us more favorably as a young team moving in the right direction, vs if we end up in the lotto again with another 8th pick for the 5th straight year.

I think Ariza would fit great here and be in our price range, but why would he want to go from a young team that finally made the playoffs in the Wizards back to another young lotto team here? If we want the best chance at attracting those guys this summer, its probably in our best interests to make the playoffs.

I'm all for tanking over getting the 8th seed if we have a chance at a top 4-5 pick, but that's not looking likely at this point.

[Q00]

I'd like the pick at this point, but I don't think the odds are in our favor. With our luck, even if we did manage to finish 8th, some other team leapfrog us into the top three and have the pick wind up back with the Bobcats.

I'd like the young guys to get that big game feel and exposure. A playoff series against the Pacers or Heat on national TV would leave they hungry, even if they get their asses handed to them. It will also show potential coaches and GMs that there are some quality pieces to work with here, and that with the right guidance and off season moves we could be right back in the mix next year.

yep, that's the other thing that doesn't get talked about a lot. We could finish 8th and end up drawing 9th in the lotto and getting no pick anyways.

Also, we assume that everyone is already aware how great Drummond is, but the fact is a lot of other players probably rarely get to see him because what non-Pistons players are spending time watching our 24 win team other than a few times a year when they play us? Probably not many. So getting Drummond a chance to showcase his skills in a legit national setting could be instrumental in attracting other stars here, who otherwise wouldn't have known just how great he is. Even if we got swept by Indiana, if he had a monster series against that great frontline, his respect level around the league would increase dramatically. Not to mention the personal confidence/experience he would gain himself. Playoffs are a different animal and getting him a taste this early in his career would really accelerate his development in my opinion

[Alexander]

My preference has been to make the playoffs. I don't want to be remembered as one of the teams that couldn't make the postseason in one of the weakest conferences in history.

[Defor]

I just don't see how we can lose our way to the 8th pick , there's just too much competition . As long as were gonna lose our pick anyway ,we might as well make the bobcats get as high a pick as possible . Were just too damn unlucky too move up in the lottery , so to me its playoffs or as close as we can get. That being said if we lose the next 10 games I reserve the right to flipflop on my nontanking stance.

[russkopp]

We need to face the facts, we're not making the playoffs and we're losing our pick. We're going into next season with smith and a newly resigned Monroe and we're gonna see what happens. This is how the team operates now. Mediocrity in every way possible. We'll see what happens with trades at next years deadline where I'm sure we'll stand pat or lose the deal.

[E-Z]

We need to face the facts, we're not making the playoffs and we're losing our pick. We're going into next season with smith and a newly resigned Monroe and we're gonna see what happens. This is how the team operates now. Mediocrity in every way possible. We'll see what happens with trades at next years deadline where I'm sure we'll stand pat or lose the deal.

That's what things are looking like as of now. Too good to tank and not good enough to win. That Ben Gordon contract and trade just leaves me with a ton of resentment towards the front office. The trade of Arron Afflalo for peanuts also.

[jakebernat]

We need to face the facts, we're not making the playoffs and we're losing our pick. We're going into next season with smith and a newly resigned Monroe and we're gonna see what happens. This is how the team operates now. Mediocrity in every way possible. We'll see what happens with trades at next years deadline where I'm sure we'll stand pat or lose the deal.

i believe all of this if dumars is the GM, BUT
i also believe that there's no way in hell joe keeps his job, sooooooo

[DBC10]

We need to face the facts, we're not making the playoffs and we're losing our pick. We're going into next season with smith and a newly resigned Monroe and we're gonna see what happens. This is how the team operates now. Mediocrity in every way possible. We'll see what happens with trades at next years deadline where I'm sure we'll stand pat or lose the deal.

i believe all of this if dumars is the GM, BUT
i also believe that there's no way in hell joe keeps his job, sooooooo

That may be one of the best silver linings besides Drummond and or our rookie assets for moving forward for the next GM.

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[A_dub06]

How's everyone feeling on the tanking front after that loss to the celtics? If that isn't enough evidence for the playoff hopefuls that we should be tanking our asses off I dunno what is

[DonVitoReturns]

Get rid of the pick now, because next year that pick may be in the top five. This team is going to suck for a while. Don't kid yourselves. It needs to be torn down to its roots. That's what a new GM will do. Doesn't matter who the coach is. Drummond is the only talent on the roster.

[kurtis48239]

^ those 4 extra games can go a long way into the development of Drummond and the young guys. Playoff experience, no matter how short, means alot more than losing deliberately for a fraction of a percentage chance at a top 3 pick. The chance of landing a superstar with the 8th pick in this draft is very slim.

I just hope this team can put something together and make a run for that final spot.

Look at the facts

We have cap space jammed up in or current squad and what we gain by ridding ourselves of Charlie and stuckey we will put back into Monroe and inevitably drummond is going to command the max.

Getting swept in the first round is not experience and if anything it will show our players how far off talent wise we are and how we will never get there.

Sure the eastern conference sucks this year but what happens next year when almost half the conference isn't tanking? So we push for the playoffs to make the 8 this season loosing our pick only to miss it next?

While I don't think we will land a star if we get the 8th pick, I still think we can land a very good starter and also the slim chance of moving into the 3 in this draft is more than enough enticing to miss out on 4 games. We're not landing any marquee free agents so the only way we can land a promising player without giving up some of our future is the draft.

I want to make the playoffs badly, I really do. But if it's at the expense of missing out on a good pick in a stellar draft for 4 games, how is that a good trade off?

I was all about tanking a few weeks ago but finally came to my senses and I think alot of you should as well.

We arent going to be markedly better next year, in fact, we are probably going to be much worse as the new GM will try to remove Dumars' mistakes.

We have an even greater chance of getting a top 5 pick NEXT year than this year. Id rather the pick that goes to Charlotte be in the 9-15 range rather than 2-7 next year.

We make the playoffs, giving Drummond something to keep him positive for the summer months, give the Bobcats our pick, clean house in the offseason, and tank next year (which will happen esp if we get rid of most of our big contracts for trash --- aka the only way we can trade Smith / Jennings)

You think losing the 8th pick in the draft is a disaster? Imagine getting the 8th pick this year, still sucking next year, and giving up a top 3-5 pick to the Bobcats next season. That will set us back far more than losing the 8th pick in a draft.

If we benched 1 of the bigs next year,played jorts next to whoever is benched,and put kcp back into the lineup,this same team would have a better record next year.

[ComboGuardCity]

Other players don't need the media to hype Drummond....they play him.

[jakebernat]

coaching is so damn important in basketball. it's what separates teams like the spurs and bulls, who consistently put out fairly underwhelming lineups to compete, from teams like us and the Cavs. it's all about a team buying into a winning philosophy and scheme. this is not wishful thinking: this team absolutely cannot get any worse than the way it's currently constructed

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