2014 Draft Thread

SunsFanSSOL · Post #1121 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 9:17 am

Our Centers are terrible but I think Embiid will bust. Give me Parker, Wiggins, Randle in that order.

phrazbit · Post #1122 » by **phrazbit** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 9:34 am

I'd go Wiggins then Embiid. And I would totally ignore position. We are not at a point where we are drafting for need. The draft is used to load up on talent, regardless of position. If the best player in the draft were a PG I wouldnt think twice about taking them, even though I love Dragic/Bledsoe. So I sure as hell wouldnt let Len or the Morrii effect draft targets.

As for bwgood's question about if Kieff could start on a contender... I think it would have to be a pretty stacked team. I like the leap he has made this year but it was a leap from "garbage" to "solid backup". I dont see the consistency or all around game I'd like to have in a starter. Kieff is still pretty rough on defense and with how inconsistent he is offensively I don't think he is starter material yet. But solid backup player no doubt.

Post #1123 » by **Qwigglez** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 9:58 am

Wiggins for sure.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1124 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sun Mar 9, 2014 5:43 pm

Wiggins and embid would be close for me. Would depend on if embids back looked like it could be a long term issue.

Mcdourmet with another huge game last night. He might be a guy you package a couple pick and move up to the 10ish range and get. Dude is going to score at the nba level. If he can just hold his own on d he could have a great nba career. He could be devastating in the pick and roll with Bledsoe and dragic.

INFORMER-93 · Post #1125 » by **INFORMER-93** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:54 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is similar to Marcus Morris, mediocre length and athleticism, capable scorer, better mid range game than Marcus, softer touch and variety of moves and floaters near the rim, but he is slow to defend SF, weak and small to play PF, and he has not the necesary range yet, he is a streaky shooter from 3, although I think he will become a good one.

He is a 6th man type of prospect at best, a scoring combo forward from the bench.

You already have two of those in the Morris.

He seems more of a pure smooth scorer. I think he would project as a three at the nba level. I like Gordon, being a UA fan and all, but his ft% scares me. He has great intangibles, but I don't see him as a guy who can score from all over the floor like Warren can. I imagine Gordon will probably end up being more of a glue guy who gives you his all every game, but could never carry the scoring load.

Especially with two creators in the backcourt, having a pure scorer who got a lot of open looks would be nice to have. Of course Green is kind of filling that role quite often now.

Warren doesn't seem to be great at 3's, which is a concern of mine because we really need to spread the floor in our offense (though he was better last year on fewer attempts at over 51%).

I just mentioned him in this thread because I don't think he has been mentioned and he was not really on my radar, but looks like a talented scorer who will be drafted in the range of where a couple of our picks will land.

You're right on target with taking note of TJ Warren. He is not Marcus Morris. Marcus, at Kansas, always had the game of an undersized 4. Warren is a much more natural perimeter talent and has better scoring instincts than Marcus did. I thought he was fantastic last year, got a little down on him earlier this season, but once again see the player that initially intrigued me. I still have to catch up on 4 of his games I have on my DVR over the last month, but I'm becoming convinced that his ceiling is much higher than a solid 6th man.

YouTube · Post #1126 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:21 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is similar to Marcus Morris, mediocre length and athleticism, capable scorer, better mid range game than Marcus, softer touch and variety of moves and floaters near the rim, but he is slow to defend SF, weak and small to play PF, and he has not the necesary range yet, he is a streaky shooter from 3, although I think he will become a good one.

He is a 6th man type of prospect at best, a scoring combo forward from the bench.

You already have two of those in the Morris.

He seems more of a pure smooth scorer. I think he would project as a three at the nba level. I like Gordon, being a UA fan and all, but his ft% scares me. He has great intangibles, but I don't see him as a guy who can score from all over the floor like Warren can. I imagine Gordon will probably end up being more of a glue guy who gives you his all every game, but could never carry the scoring load.

Especially with two creators in the backcourt, having a pure scorer who got a lot of open looks would be nice to have. Of course Green is kind of filling that role quite often now.

Warren doesn't seem to be great at 3's, which is a concern of mine because we really need to spread the floor in our offense (though he was better last year on fewer attempts at over 51%).

I just mentioned him in this thread because I don't think he has been mentioned and he was not really on my radar, but looks like a talented scorer who will be drafted in the range of where a couple of our picks will land.

You're right on target with taking note of TJ Warren. He is not Marcus Morris. Marcus, at Kansas, always had the game of an undersized 4. Warren is a much more natural perimeter talent and has better scoring instincts than Marcus did. I thought he was fantastic last year, got a little down on him earlier this season, but once again see the player that initially intrigued me. I still have to catch up on 4 of his games I have on my DVR over the last month, but I'm becoming convinced that his ceiling is much higher than a solid 6th man.

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DirtyDez · Post #1127 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:15 am

Warren, Hood, Vonleh, Gordon or Saric. Trade up for one...

Post #1128 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:14 am

DirtyDez wrote:Warren, Hood, Vonleh, Gordon or Saric. Trade up for one...

If we end up with the 14th pick, I'm sure one of those would be available. Maybe even with the 17th or 18th (especially TJ Warren). I'm not nearly as high on James Young as before, but he will probably be somewhere in the 14th-21st range too.

Chad Ford has James Young as 9th and says

While Young has struggled at times with his jump shot this season, many NBA scouts believe he has the chance to be a star.

But draftexpress has him at 24 so that's quite a range. nbadraft.net has him at 22.

Another thing that is odd is draftexpress and nbadraft.net have TJ Warren at 17 and Chad Ford has him at 36. I think Ford rarely tinkers (in big ways) with his original big board after the season starts, except with maybe a guy like Tyler Ennis.

DirtyDez · Post #1129 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:46 am

bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Warren, Hood, Vonleh, Gordon or Saric. Trade up for one...

If we end up with the 14th pick, I'm sure one of those would be available. Maybe even with the 17th or 18th (especially TJ Warren). I'm not nearly as high on James Young as before, but he will probably be somewhere in the 14th-21st range too.

It's either 14 or 19-20 for us so not a disaster should we miss the playoffs. Add the Wizards' pick at probably 17-18 and Indy will make the ECF = 27-28

#14
#17
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All 3 together might be attractive for a team in the 7-8 range like Utah who has maybe 6 guys under contract next year. For us two rookies are already struggling to get playing time and trading for stars aren't a common thing so I think we package picks together and move up. Still have that Laker asset too so we're not selling the farm.

Post #1130 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:16 am

DirtyDez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Warren, Hood, Vonleh, Gordon or Saric. Trade up for one...

If we end up with the 14th pick, I'm sure one of those would be available. Maybe even with the 17th or 18th (especially TJ Warren). I'm not nearly as high on James Young as before, but he will probably be somewhere in the 14th-21st range too.

It's either 14 or 19-20 for us so not a disaster should we miss the playoffs. Add the Wizards' pick at probably 17-18 and Indy will make the ECF = 27-28

#14
#17
#27

All 3 together might be attractive for a team in the 7-8 range like Utah who has maybe 6 guys under contract next year. For us two rookies are already struggling to get playing time and trading for stars aren't a common thing so I think we package picks together and move up. Still have that Laker asset too so we're not selling the farm.

The only guy I might trade up for to get at 7/8 would be Vonleh. I don't know if I'd trade more than two of these picks to move up or not. I think if we could get Warren and Payne, that might be better than getting just Vonleh, who may not have too much more upside than Payne.

INFORMER-93 · Post #1131 » by **INFORMER-93** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:14 am

There just isn't enough of a difference between picks 7/8 and the middle of the first round to warrant trading multiple picks to move to that spot.

And James Young a star? ! He can't do anything but shoot, and he can't shoot consistently. He has average athleticism, doesn't have great scoring ability, doesn't make a difference on the defensive end, doesn't make plays for others, isn't a high basketball IQ player, and on and on. The only thing he has going for him is the hype he received before the season and how he performed during the Blue-White scrimmage.

DirtyDez · Post #1132 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:52 am

INFORMER-93 wrote:There just isn't enough of a difference between picks 7/8 and the middle of the first round to warrant trading multiple picks to move to that spot.

I think that is if everyone who is expected to declare, declares... If possible, why not get the 7th player on our board rather than settling on the 12-14th player? For me it depends on how much value those later picks have. If it would only get us 2-3 spots then there's no point.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1133 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:30 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
INFORMER-93 wrote:There just isn't enough of a difference between picks 7/8 and the middle of the first round to warrant trading multiple picks to move to that spot.

I think that is if everyone who is expected to declare, declares... If possible, why not get the 7th player on our board rather than settling on the 12-14th player? For me it depends on how much value those later picks have. If it would only get us 2-3 spots then there's no point.

If we have the 14th pick, we may get the 7th guy on McD's board. His board seems to diverge wildly from the consensus.

Post #1134 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:38 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:There just isn't enough of a difference between picks 7/8 and the middle of the first round to warrant trading multiple picks to move to that spot.

And James Young a star? ! He can't do anything but shoot, and he can't shoot consistently. He has average athleticism, doesn't have great scoring ability, doesn't make a difference on the defensive end, doesn't make plays for others, isn't a high basketball IQ player, and on and on. The only thing he has going for him is the hype he received before the season and how he performed during the Blue-White scrimmage.

Yeah, I agree. He was on my radar based on what he was SUPPOSED to be, but his shooting has sucked, and Kentucky has sucked in general. I'm down on everyone at Kentucky. I wouldn't be surprised if Randle is a bust. The twins look awful as well. Cauley Stein will look really good one game, but be non existent the next. Some people here like Poythress, but the fact that Kentucky has dropped out of the rankings, when they were preseason #1, doesn't bode well for anyone. It seems like even one guy would stand out, but it seems like Randle often disappears against good defenders and rebounders...that doesn't bode well for the nba, where he will face that every night. He was supposed to be a dominating people, and he's far from that.

Post #1135 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:40 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
INFORMER-93 wrote:There just isn't enough of a difference between picks 7/8 and the middle of the first round to warrant trading multiple picks to move to that spot.

I think that is if everyone who is expected to declare, declares... If possible, why not get the 7th player on our board rather than settling on the 12-14th player? For me it depends on how much value those later picks have. If it would only get us 2-3 spots then there's no point.

If we have the 14th pick, we may get the 7th guy on McD's board. His board seems to diverge wildly from the consensus.

I agree here. I can't see him falling in love with anyone to move up THAT much. MAYBE Vonleh, but no one else seems to stick out that much more than others, and I'm not sure even Vonleh does.

YouTube · Post #1136 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:21 am

If we dont make the play-offs this season i pray we fall to lower than Minnesota (currently 4 1/2 games behind us).

If we could walk away from this draft with Aaron Gordon AND TJ Warren i would consider it a great success.

Stix · Post #1137 » by **Stix** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:43 am

Kerrsed wrote:If we dont make the play-offs this season i pray we fall to lower than Minnesota (currently 4 1/2 games behind us).

If we could walk away from this draft with Aaron Gordon AND TJ Warren i would consider it a great success.

Please don't tell me "Aaron Gooden" is Drew Gooden's younger, less talented brother. :lol:

YouTube · Post #1138 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:46 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:If we dont make the play-offs this season i pray we fall to lower than Minnesota (currently 4 1/2 games behind us).

If we could walk away from this draft with Aaron Gooden AND TJ Warren i would consider it a great success.

Please don't tell me "Aaron Gooden" is Drew Gooden's younger, less talented brother.

Close. He is Drew Gordon's younger, more talented brother!

Buddha640 · Post #1139 » by **Buddha640** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:44 am

I've been a really big fan of Chris Walkers. This guy looks like he could be the complete package and if he doesn't declare this year than next year he's a definite high lottery pick. He hasn't played much this year due to eligibility issues but I think he could be a lottery pick this year once scouts see him in workouts because he's as talented as any player in this draft. He's long, extremely athletic, can handle the ball in transition at 6'10'', has a nice jumpshot, and has the tools to be very a good defensive player. If he declares this year I wouldn't mind seeing the Suns pick him up with either their first 1st round pick which will most likely fall in the 14-20 range or if he doesn't declare I'm hoping the Lakers suck next year so the Suns can use their pick to draft him. I'm sure I'll get some hate for being so high on a player with such a little track record but this guy looks like he could develop into a game changer.

YouTube · Post #1140 » by **Kerrsed** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:21 am

Buddha640 wrote:I've been a really big fan of Chris Walkers. This guy looks like he could be the complete package and if he doesn't declare this year than next year he's a definite high lottery pick. He hasn't played much this year due to eligibility issues but I think he could be a lottery pick this year once scouts see him in workouts because he's as talented as any player in this draft. He's long, extremely athletic, can handle the ball in transition at 6'10'', has a nice jumpshot, and has the tools to be very a good defensive player. If he declares this year I wouldn't mind seeing the Suns pick him up with either their first 1st round pick which will most likely fall in the 14-20 range or if he doesn't declare I'm hoping the Lakers suck next year so the Suns can use their pick to draft him. I'm sure I'll get some hate for being so high on a player with such a little track record but this guy looks like he could develop into a game changer.

No hate, but im sure "Sky" Walker will stay in college another year. The Kid can be a top 10 pick if he stays another season. This season he is a bit of an unknown and projects to be a mid 2nd round pick. If he does decide to enter the draft, i would love for the Suns to nab him with a late 1st, but again, i dont see him entering this draft when he can go much much much higher in 2015.